American Politics

[EihTooms]

The Dow publishes their numbers. Go to the Dow sight. Not rocket science. You can find anything on the internet to contradict everything. Slick charts? Are you kidding? Why do you keep trying to deceive everyone? Why don't you publish the Dow numbers from Dow?

Why don't you post the link for that here. When I do, the URL is huge.

There is no need to do that, the net is full of reliable sources that post the same annual DOW returns.

Do you think Microtrends is lying about it too? Their numbers are exactly the same as Slick Charts and dozens of other sources, all of which are easy links to see the annual numbers we are talking about here.

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Happy with that URL?

[EihTooms]

Nope. It didn't change under Obama.

Kiplinger just ran their Wall Street professional and financial industry standard S&P 500 Index measured ranking for the USA Stock Market performance per USA president right up to and including Biden's first year and, as expected, the average annual returns for Biden, Obama and Clinton each surpassed that of Trump, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and, what the hell, let's throw Reagan in there too.

With Biden being best.

https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/...e-stock-market

You know, I have to comment that Kiplinger being part of financial media, it is not immune from the usual pretzel twisting all Mainstream Media puts itself through to make Repubs look like "winners" in the face of their typical economic and stock market disastrous failures as well as trying to make Dems look like "losers" in the face of their typical economic and stock market great successes.

Case in point is how they spin Trump's stock market performance. The black highlights are mine.

Donald Trump's presidency was far from calm, and you could say the same for the stock market during his tenure. Equities just barely managed to avoid bear-market territory in Q4 2018, then ended up rallying for more than a year before suffering a dramatic (albeit quick) bear market in 2020.

Even then, Trump still managed to finish his single term as one of the top presidents by market performance, which was fueled in part by his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. However, that performance also included a wild rally after Election Day 2020.

"The S&P 500 gained 11.8% in price from Election Day on November 3, 2020 through January 15, 2021 in what is now on track to become the best Election-to-Inauguration Day return for a first-term president since WWII," writes Sam Stovall, Chief Investment Strategist for CFRA, referring to Biden's pre-inauguration bump. "John F. Kennedy came in second with an 8.8% price rise, while Eisenhower was third with 6.3%. Conversely, Presidents Obama, Bush-43, and Nixon endured declines of 19.9%, 6.2%, and 1.4%, respectively."

First of all, the broad USA Stock market did not "manage to avoid bear-market territory in Q4 2018. " I have been pointing out that the broad USA Stock market experienced 2 Bear Market Crashes defined as a decline of 20% or more from a recent high during Trump's 4 year presidency and I am right. Sorry, Kiplinger, but the broadest USA Stock market Index of all, The Wilshire 5000 Total Market Index, so named because it represents the "total" USA Stock market and not just the 30 stocks in the DOW or the 500 stocks in the S&P 500 Index, closed at 30,462. 49 on September 20,2018 and then closed at 24,151. 43 on December 24,2018. That is a decline from the recent high of 20.73%, also known as a Bear Market Crash.

And that first of his two Bear Market Crash declines began just 9 months after his god-awful waste of $2.5+ Trillion added to the deficit Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was signed and passed, something Kiplinger seems to think contributed to his ok stock market results. Oh please.

I would put the URL for the Yahoo! Finance Wilshire 5000 Total Market Index link right here for you to click on "Historical Data, Historical Prices" and put in those dates or a few days before and after them to see for yourselves. But there is some weird glitch going on with this site and when I do that the URL is huge. Like half a page. LOL. So just do a Google Search for that and it is easy to find.

And, second, check out how they try to make it appear as though "the best Election-to-Inauguration Day return for a first-term president since WWII" was some feather to put in Trump's cap! LOL. They are referring to the great rally after Biden won the 2020 election!

Now, I am not a believer in attributing anything that happens in the economy or the stock market to an incoming president starting on election day or inauguration day. Primarily because both of those metrics have never significantly changed the trajectory they were already on for months or years prior to those dates. What happens immediately after election day with a new incoming president has practically nothing to do with the person who won and who has not done anything yet.

OK, so a big decision is about to be made on an election day. Therefore, as usual anytime a big decision is about to be made or an important bit of news is about to be reported like the Jobs Numbers, a Fed Decision, an Election and so on, stock market investors hang back for often significant amounts of time prior to the decision being made or news reported and then once the decision is made they celebrate that the world did not come to an end after all and they simply resume either the buying or selling they were doing prior to the election period but with slightly more enthusiasm, trying to catch up. That is all that happens.

Those two trajectories didn't change notably starting on election day when FDR won, when Reagan won or when Obama won. They sure as hell weren't going to change significantly when Trump won in 2016 and were not likely to go nuts just because Biden won in 2020. Mainstream Media would have been working very hard to prevent that latter event from happening anyway. In the midst of Trump's Pandemic, Biden had to actually start doing something and passing some very important and effective economic stimulus for that to happen. He did and it happened.

And so I am sticking to that opinion and judgement even though it obviously helps Trump's overall record on the stock market to have benefitted from that historic stock market rally that started right after he was soundly defeated in a Trump-defined landslide election win for Joe Biden. Besides, all three of the most recent Dem presidents beat Trump's average annual stock market performance anyway.

[Cali Guy]

Nope. It didn't change under Obama.

Klipinger just ran their Wall Street professional and financial industry standard S&P 500 Index measured ranking for the USA Stock Market performance per USA president right up to and including Biden's first year and, as expected, the average annual returns for Biden, Obama and Clinton each surpassed that of Trump, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and, what the hell, let's throw Reagan in there too.

With Biden being best.

https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/...e-stock-market

Amazing someone like you with absolutely no knowledge of the market and investing can contradict all the major financial institutions in the USA.

[Canada]

LOL. The DOW again. OK, I'll play along:

Dow Jones Returns by Year

https://www.slickcharts.com/dowjones/returns

2020 = +7.25%.

2019 = +22.34%.

2018 = -5.63%.

2017 = +25.08.

Average annual gain in the DOW during Trump's presidency = 12.26%.

Really, you guys should have gone with the Wall Street and financial industry standard for measuring the USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index, instead of the DOW, which is the darling of typically lazy and far less informed and involved financial media. See, the lazy and far less informed financial media, the ones you guys apparently watch on tv and think that makes you "financial advisors", love the DOW because those 30 stocks provide of a lot of exciting volatility to report on every day. But real financial advisors and those involved daily in the canyons of Wall Street more properly refer to the S&P 500 Index for their measure. Just FYI.

The Dow publishes their numbers. Go to the Dow sight. Not rocket science. You can find anything on the internet to contradict everything. Slick charts? Are you kidding? Why do you keep trying to deceive everyone? Why don't you publish the Dow numbers from Dow?

[Cali Guy]

I realize I am talking to a self-proclaimed financial advisor who never noticed the difference between a Great Repub Depression / Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Deep Bear Market Crash, which has been all of them over the past 100 years, vs a Great Dem Recovery / Expansion, Massive Jobs Creation and Historic Bull Market Run, which has been all of them over the past 100 years. But the fact that you focus on the 30 stocks in the DOW as the go-to measure for how well the broad USA Stock market is doing is further proof you really should return whatever money your client wasted on you.

Yes, of course, all of those Great Repub Depressions / Recessions and Deep Bear Market Crashes of the past 100 years, the only ones America has suffered in all that time, were lovely buying opportunities for anyone who got out at the top, did not stay in the market to ride it all the way down and was flush with cash to buy back in at the bottom. Thanks for the kind of advice that anyone could have gotten on the back of a Bazooka Bubble Gum comic; Buy low and sell high. Really? But based on this and every other post of yours, I am quite sure your advice did not get your client out of the market at the top and have them wait until some unknown bottom to buy back in more often than perhaps one inadvertent lucky time.

And actually, you only told us half of the scenario for your supposedly failed clients. I mean, you do know there is another side of those transactions, right? If those clients had sold out when Trump came into office and then bought back in at or near the bottom of each of his two Bear Market Crashes, they would have done quite well vs buying and holding through 4 years of the average annual 16.8% gains we got during his Recession and Massive Jobs Loss-ridden four years in the Wall Street and industry standard for the broader USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index. Did they?

Like I previously said you obviously are not knowledgeable in the market. The clients that sold their stock when Trump was elected took their loss and market increased dramatically in 2017. My clients did not buy back in and they lost millions. Since you know nothing about investing I will try to explain to you that when someone's portfolio is up 68-80 per cent in 4 years of Trump presidencies their is no other side to it. Their net worth has gone up 68-80 percent. There has not been a crash in the last 20 years. Their have been corrections in the market for extraordinary reasons but to someone that has some knowledge they look at those corrections as opportunities. My clients make more money after a correction which is proven over the last 50 years. You stick to your government handout and I will stick to making my clients millions.

[Canada]

LOL. The DOW again. OK, I'll play along:

Dow Jones Returns by Year

https://www.slickcharts.com/dowjones/returns

2020 = +7.25%.

2019 = +22.34%.

2018 = -5.63%.

2017 = +25.08.

Average annual gain in the DOW during Trump's presidency = 12.26%.

Really, you guys should have gone with the Wall Street and financial industry standard for measuring the USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index, instead of the DOW, which is the darling of typically lazy and far less informed and involved financial media. See, the lazy and far less informed financial media, the ones you guys apparently watch on tv and think that makes you "financial advisors", love the DOW because those 30 stocks provide of a lot of exciting volatility to report on every day. But real financial advisors and those involved daily in the canyons of Wall Street more properly refer to the S&P 500 Index for their measure. Just FYI.

Why didn't you just go to the financial page and click on the Dow and then click on 5 year total and get the real number rather than go to a site that determines it their own way? If you go to the Dow you will have the real number.

[PVMonger]

Election of Biden has definitely made a shift internationally for the USA. USA has gone from the leader of the international scene to a weakling lagging behind. Europe loves a weak USA. NATO loves a weak USA that doesn't force them to pay their fare share as in Trump presidency. China and Russia are ecstatic that they can bully USA. Russia getting their pipeline from a weak America. Biden to scared to even bring up human rights with China. These countries that love the USA are happy to take advantage of our incompetent leader. What a joke that someone would even bring this up.

I said that Europe is smarter than Republicans and I was correct.

[EihTooms]

Great report. Pretty much sums up what my financial advisors have told me the last year. I use 2 of the 3 biggest firms in USA with 2/3 in one and 1/3 in the other. Both of them would agree with you totally. I use 2 firms because each firm offers different funds to give me more flexibility. Interesting enough about the market is that until 2007 the markets did a little better under democrat presidency than republican presidents but changed when Obama became president. Markets were stable but stagnant under Obama.

Nope. It didn't change under Obama.

Klipinger just ran their Wall Street professional and financial industry standard S&P 500 Index measured ranking for the USA Stock Market performance per USA president right up to and including Biden's first year and, as expected, the average annual returns for Biden, Obama and Clinton each surpassed that of Trump, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and, what the hell, let's throw Reagan in there too.

With Biden being best.

https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/...e-stock-market

[ScatManDoo]

81.4 million gun owners vs the anti gun cucks.

So does that make around 250 million Americans that do not own guns?

I think so, but not all are voters.

Those gun owners need to behave themselves.

Or their asses will get out voted.

[EihTooms]

Gallup poll shows largest increase in Democratic Party affiliation in a decade

April 7, 2021.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...de/7114860002/

A Dwindling Republican Party May Be Doomed to Shrink More

April 8, 2021.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...21-gallup.html

From Gallup comes news that its regular polling on party affiliation shows the largest quarterly gap in major party affiliation since 2012, with 49 percent of U.S. adults identifying themselves as either Democrats (30 percent) or as Democratic-leaning independents (19 percent), while 40 percent call themselves Republicans (25 percent) or Republican-leaning independents (15 percent).

Yes, these reports were about 9 months ago and a lot has happened in the past 9 months. But the underlying reasons for that major shift have only become more stark.

So when you see the polls of the past few months, it is worth noting if the polling service simply surveyed a roughly equal number of self-identified Dems, Repubs and Independents. If they did, then they were probably way over-sampling "Repub-leaning" respondents, which is a significantly smaller percentage of the American public and voters than those who are "Dem-leaning."

[EihTooms]

Why do you bother posting irrelevant data. The Dow is officially up 84 per cent in last 5 years. Easy to check on any computer. My portfolio is up 100 per cent. Cali Guy post is totally correct and you are trying to confuse the issue with irrelevant information. Pathetic.

LOL. The DOW again. OK, I'll play along:

Dow Jones Returns by Year

https://www.slickcharts.com/dowjones/returns

2020 = +7.25%.

2019 = +22.34%.

2018 = -5.63%.

2017 = +25.08.

Average annual gain in the DOW during Trump's presidency = 12.26%.

Really, you guys should have gone with the Wall Street and financial industry standard for measuring the USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index, instead of the DOW, which is the darling of typically lazy and far less informed and involved financial media. See, the lazy and far less informed financial media, the ones you guys apparently watch on tv and think that makes you "financial advisors", love the DOW because those 30 stocks provide of a lot of exciting volatility to report on every day. But real financial advisors and those involved daily in the canyons of Wall Street more properly refer to the S&P 500 Index for their measure. Just FYI.

[EihTooms]

Obviously you are uneducated in the financial world and are not involved in it. Dow was just over 18,000 January 2017 and it is now 36000. The market was consistent in 2018 between 23,000 to 27,000 with solid growth. That is about 100 per cent increase. My clients have done really well. They are happy and I get referrals daily. My clients invest for long term wealth. The building of wealth is better with fluctuations in the market. Every correction is an opportunity to buy. Market crashing from Covid actually helped their portfolios because they were able to buy depressed stocks.

Obviously you have no clue on investing and have not capitalized on the market to date. If you are making investments in the market when republicans are in power then you are not participating in the market. If you were one of the stupid ones and I had a few clients like that who sold all their portfolio when Trump became president you lost big time. I had 2 clients who sold everything when Trump became president. $1,500,000 and $2,400,000 portfolios that now would be $3,000,000 and $5,000,000 portfolios.

I realize I am talking to a self-proclaimed financial advisor who never noticed the difference between a Great Repub Depression / Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Deep Bear Market Crash, which has been all of them over the past 100 years, vs a Great Dem Recovery / Expansion, Massive Jobs Creation and Historic Bull Market Run, which has been all of them over the past 100 years. But the fact that you focus on the 30 stocks in the DOW as the go-to measure for how well the broad USA Stock market is doing is further proof you really should return whatever money your client wasted on you.

Yes, of course, all of those Great Repub Depressions / Recessions and Deep Bear Market Crashes of the past 100 years, the only ones America has suffered in all that time, were lovely buying opportunities for anyone who got out at the top, did not stay in the market to ride it all the way down and was flush with cash to buy back in at the bottom. Thanks for the kind of advice that anyone could have gotten on the back of a Bazooka Bubble Gum comic; Buy low and sell high. Really? But based on this and every other post of yours, I am quite sure your advice did not get your client out of the market at the top and have them wait until some unknown bottom to buy back in more often than perhaps one inadvertent lucky time.

And actually, you only told us half of the scenario for your supposedly failed clients. I mean, you do know there is another side of those transactions, right? If those clients had sold out when Trump came into office and then bought back in at or near the bottom of each of his two Bear Market Crashes, they would have done quite well vs buying and holding through 4 years of the average annual 16.8% gains we got during his Recession and Massive Jobs Loss-ridden four years in the Wall Street and industry standard for the broader USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index. Did they?

[Cali Guy]

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...rump-to-biden/

"The election of Joe Biden as president has led to a dramatic shift in America's international image. Throughout Donald Trump's presidency, publics around the world held the United States in low regard, with most opposed to his foreign policies. This was especially true among key American allies and partners. Now, a new Pew Research Center survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the USA, with strong support for Biden and several of his major policy initiatives. "

Just look at the charts in the article.

The cultists will say that this is all "fake news" of course and will use whataboutism to "prove it".

It isn't fake news.

Not only Europe by China, Russia, Iran and North Korea all love USA now that Biden is president. It is the best case possible for them because Biden is not capable of holding these countries accountable like Trump did. With Trump USA was a powerhouse internationally but unfortunately now the weakling getting pushed around like we saw in the last 12 months. Glad you brought this up.

[Canada]

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...rump-to-biden/

"The election of Joe Biden as president has led to a dramatic shift in America's international image. Throughout Donald Trump's presidency, publics around the world held the United States in low regard, with most opposed to his foreign policies. This was especially true among key American allies and partners. Now, a new Pew Research Center survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the USA, with strong support for Biden and several of his major policy initiatives. "

Just look at the charts in the article.

The cultists will say that this is all "fake news" of course and will use whataboutism to "prove it".

Election of Biden has definitely made a shift internationally for the USA. USA has gone from the leader of the international scene to a weakling lagging behind. Europe loves a weak USA. NATO loves a weak USA that doesn't force them to pay their fare share as in Trump presidency. China and Russia are ecstatic that they can bully USA. Russia getting their pipeline from a weak America. Biden to scared to even bring up human rights with China. These countries that love the USA are happy to take advantage of our incompetent leader. What a joke that someone would even bring this up.

[Artisttyp]

Currently reading this book. Anyone else ?

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