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10-01-21 03:54 #4897
Posts: 5471Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
Was it his one and only significant economic legislation in his four years in office passed on the last business day of 2017, the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, that added $2.5+Trillion to the deficit but did not add a single percentage point more to annualized GDP growth than what we'd had under Obama without it (he pitched it as probably producing "4%, 5%, maybe 6% annual GDP growth!"), produced fewer jobs than we'd gotten under Obama without it, was scheduled to be "permanent" for the super wealthy and corporations but phase out over 2-3 years for everyone else and stood by doing absolutely nothing to prevent the December 2018 Bear Market Crash in the broad USA stock market, the first of two Bear Market Crashes on Trump's stewardship watch in just 4 years (none under Obama, Clinton, etc)?
Was it his economic policy decision to launch into a misguided "Trade War" of tariffs with China that only produced a hefty consumer tax on the American people and drove our Manufacturing and Agriculture sectors into a Recession, requiring Emergency Relief Fund welfare checks to be issued to the industries just to keep them afloat?
Or was it Trump's economic policy decision in 2018 to save American taxpayers a few million dollars by defunding the CDC, pulling ALL of their representatives and Pandemic Prevention and Response monitors out of the Chinese virus research labs against all expert advice not to do something so foolish, dangerous and stupid and that inevitably led to the destruction of millions upon millions of USA jobs and Trillion$ more added to the deficit?
Or was it then his economic policy decision in early 2020 not to ruffle Xi's feathers during those failed "Trade Deal" negotiations by telling the truth about the risk of a Pandemic coming out of China so he lied about it instead and, as an added bonus for Xi, mocked and ridiculed the known virus transmission mitigation measures so as to ensure the transmission of the virus to dozens of millions of Americans and, naturally, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them, crippling international travel for business, tourism and mongering in many of the most popular destinations for years?
Perhaps it was the $15+ Billion he tried to steal from our military in order to fund his boondoggle, worthless wall that obviously kept no one from crossing the border?
How about that failed attempt to bribe the new President of the Ukraine with taxpayer dollars earmarked and voted for his military protection against invasion by Russia into fabricating an "investigation" into known bogus accusations of corruption against his most feared political opponent in the upcoming presidential election? That was a goodie.
Could it be his policy decision to repeat his Big Lie over and over again about the outcome of a free and fair election, incite a violent, cop-attacking and killing mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capitol Building in order to overturn that free and fair election and overthrow American democracy, making our system look no more desirable for freedom-loving people around the world than what any tin horn dictator can muscle up in some shithole country?
I know there is a lot to choose from. Trump certainly accomplished many classic Repub policy goals in just 4 years that no Democrat has or would even attempt to accomplish. But I was just wondering which was your favorite?
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09-30-21 17:44 #4896
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-30-21 14:20 #4895
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
The video I shared, the guy politely asks one very simple question and allows them to answer. He admits to the one guy that he's documenting morons, but that is the one guy who actually knew Biden was VP in the past. I would be interested to know how many Biden voters actually do know Biden was Obama's VP. My bet is that millions of them do not. Especially the "mail in voters". Hell, most of the "mail in voters" who voted Biden probably don't even know they voted in the election at all.
Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average Republican? I don't know if that's accurate or not. How do you categorize a Trumper anyway? I don't have "Trumper" on my voter ID card, on my card it says No Party Affiliation. Then again, I am far more supportive of Trump's policies than the policies of the Republican party in general, and I am definitely against almost every Democrat policy these days. I would be more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate than I would be to vote for a Republican like Mitt Romney, but I would vote for a guy like Ron Desantis. Overall, I think Trump is entertaining and I think his policies have been the best of any POTUS in many years. He's FAR superior to anyone the Democrat party currently has to offer. So I guess I am indeed properly categorized as a Trumper. Am I relatively uneducated compared to the average American? I guess that depends on your definition of educated. I do have a Bachelors degree, but whether or not a Bachelors degree indicates someone is educated is a topic open for debate. I have also traveled to around 60 different countries in my life, but does that make me educated relative to fellow Americans? Once again, that depends on how you define the word educated. I can say that I have been to a few Trump rallies. At the rallies I did attend, I found the attendees to be very nice and polite people, and they seemed well informed. The "uneducated" moniker is ridiculous. If you want to find people who are truly uneducated, go to one of the illegal immigrant shelters full of future Democrat voters.
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09-30-21 12:56 #4894
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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09-30-21 05:53 #4893
Posts: 5471Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
It will have everything to do with how confident he is in the success of the Republican Party's ongoing efforts to rig the ballot collection and vote counting systems by obedient fellow American democracy-hating Repub Trumpster state officials in enough states to ensure he will be declared "the winner" no matter how many millions more Americans legitimately voted for the Dem or how many more Electoral College votes above 270 that Dem would have gotten had all the legitimate votes been collected and counted in a timely manner by people who are in favor of American democracy rather than dictatorial one Party, one dictator rule.
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09-30-21 05:37 #4892
Posts: 5471Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
My link was about California being the only state to earn the CDC's Moderate rating for "Infection Transmission" of Trump's Pandemic virus. His was about which state has the lowest number of new cases at the moment and so on. On that count California does rank very, very low in new cases and I thank him for providing a link for it.
I also assume that is one of the factors the CDC applied to giving California that enviable Moderate rating above all other states; i. e. very low new case rates despite having several of the most densely populated cities in the country, high traffic major domestic and international airports, high levels of domestic and international business and tourist traffic, perhaps even factoring in the average number of students per university classrooms, whatever. Factors that were always significant regarding rates of infection from the very beginning but that none of those sparsely populated Red States with virtually none of those other factors at play wanted to acknowledge back when their rates of infection were not skyrocketing as they did since.
Hospitalizations? He tried to misdirect to the fact that his link showed California's hospitalization rates were higher than most. But I don't see how high hospitalization rates say anything at all about a state not handling Trump's Pandemic as well as other states, if not better than other states. Why doesn't it tell us that state is handling Trump's Pandemic better than most in that they have plenty of hospital beds, rooms and staff to take care of anybody who needs hospitalization? Unlike states such as Florida that had to request emergency assistance from other states for beds and staff to deal with their overrun hospitals and poor handling of Trump's Pandemic.
And, remember, it is very likely many Repub Trumpsters in Red States who got infected with Trump's Pandemic virus at one or more of his sucker fund raising super spreader MAGA events would probably choose to remain hidden in their trailer, crawling around on their belly in the throes of a horrible, lonely death rather than seek medical help for it from scientists in an institute of science (doctors and nurses in a hospital) where they would most certainly be required to wear a mandated face mask and therefore might be mistaken for a pro-science, educated Democrat.
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09-30-21 00:55 #4891
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Per Wikipedia: "In 2007, he was convicted on four counts of fraud in USA District Court in Chicago. While two of the criminal fraud charges were overturned on appeal, a conviction for felony fraud and obstruction of justice was upheld in 2010 and he was re-sentenced to 42 months in prison and a fine of $125,000. In 2018, Black wrote a flattering biography of USA President Donald Trump. In 2019, Trump granted him a presidential pardon."
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09-29-21 21:35 #4890
Posts: 1604Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 20:53 #4889
Posts: 1971Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 11:14 #4888
Posts: 5471Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
I have a link for it:
GOP faces massive realignment as it sheds college-educated voters.
The data suggest that what we are seeing might be more than just a sudden Democratic edge in party affiliation.
April 18, 2021
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...oters-n1264425
...Data from the Pew Research Center show that, increasingly, different people are populating the two major political parties with Republicans and Democrats moving in sharply different directions among college-educated voters.
At the beginning of this century, Republicans held an 11-point edge on party affiliation among college-educated voters. By the time Barack Obama was president, the figures had flipped to become a 4-point edge for the Democrats. And as President Donald Trumps term was winding down, the numbers had come full-circle and the Democrats had a 13-point edge among college-educated voters on party affiliation.
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Let's look and listen to the man that educated, worldly Repubs with common sense voted for recently. Twice. And, yes, possibly twice each in just the one most recent election as Trump suggested his Repub electoral base ought to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc
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09-29-21 09:05 #4887
Posts: 1971Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 06:16 #4886
Posts: 5471Originally Posted by KilledSoul [View Original Post]
But your link states a 26% decline in the daily average over the past 2 weeks for California vs a 23% decline for Connecticut. It could be as of today the greater decline momentum for California has taken it below Connecticut's.
Btw, my link is about California being the only state earning the CDC's "Moderate" transmission levels and risks rating, which isn't exactly the same as an "Average new cases per 100,000" rate your link is about.
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09-29-21 04:59 #4885
Posts: 2579Touche' Senor Smooth
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 03:43 #4884
Posts: 1604Actually, it depends
Originally Posted by KilledSoul [View Original Post]
Probably the best we can do is say that at least 9 of the top 10 highest case rates are the ones who voted for the former guy. They would rather kill all trumpers just so they can own the libs. Who said that Republicans were "smart", 'cause this strategy seems counterintuitive.
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09-29-21 03:11 #4883
Posts: 157California continues to have lowest COVID rates in the country
Sept. 27, 2021.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/a...e-16491325.php
Src: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html.