American Politics

[EihTooms]

If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).

Oh, by all means put that lie in your letter to the insurance company too and see how it goes.

And I know the anti-vax Trumpsters who fell for Trump's year long lies about how "It's a Democrat Party HOAX! We've got this under control. It will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!", discouraging anyone from bothering to invent a vaccine or take one even if a manufacturer is "foolish" enough to bother inventing one, won't even think of turning to tax-payer funded government subsidies and bailouts in Obamacare to save their ass and their house, right?

Because, you know, "Freedumb!"

[Paulie97]

Krispy Kritter only has about 12 talking points, all of which he stole from Fucker Carlson and all of which are complete BS. He recycles all of them and thinks we won't notice.

The 99.9% talking point, though a lie on its face is still heavily schewed as it takes into account all ages. So when you have some 50,60+ year old Trumpster reciting that stat it's drastically higher for them if unvaccinated.

[Elvis 2008]

On the negative side, as we have seen from over half a million VAERS reports in less than a year, it does quite a lot.

For people in vulnerable groups (elderly, obese, people with severe pre-existing conditions) it is probably worth taking the vaccine. But for healthy people under 50, the likelihood of severe negative reaction to the vax is the same or more than the likelihood of severe negative reaction to covid. Both very low.

We cannot eradicate covid. It will always be with us. The "vaccine" option is there for people who wish to probably ameliorate their symptoms if and when they get it. But it does not come near to the level of justifying the destruction of constitutional freedoms and bodily autonomy of American citizens.

Great post and totally right, Chris!

It is amazing how quickly things will change. Newsom gets a recall movement because of Covid, and now you have Whitmer of Michigan agreeing to this: Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/whitmer-m...cine-passports

Biden's popularity on Covid is already down 10%, and the polling in Iowa showing disapproval for Biden is scaring the snot out of Democrats.

The one thing you can be sure of with these dictatorial Democratic is that like with Whitmer the one thing that will convince these to run from the "science" is negative polling. When the pols like Whitmer start advocating for personal choice over mandates on the vaccines, you can be assured these douches will say, "I never was in favor of mandates."

In the mean time, if Republicans can make this FDA blow dart loving bureaucrat as the face of the Democratic party, they will clean up in November: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2D8GLPYr4.

[Golfinho]

Covered this already when Golfinho, tried to make the same claim:

And here, when you again made this false claim:

I then asked:

Care to "double down" on that falsehood again?

Here you go:

If Joe Biden says to take it, I'm not takin' it.

[PVMonger]

Then you've got nothing to worry about from the unvaccinated. Mind your own business and party on.

You miss the point. Again.

Breakthrough infections happen. So an unvaccinated COVIDiot can pass the infection to a vaccinated who can infect his minor children who can't yet be vaccinated. What part of this don't you understand?

No vaccine is 100% effective. Here's proof: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ons-180978408/.

[Spidy]

If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).

Covered this already when Golfinho, tried to make the same claim:

What's completely shameful, is your blatant misrepresentation of her quote and completely taken out of context, when you only provided as a partial quote.

HARRIS on VACCINE: "If the Doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely." "But if Donald Trump tells us to take it, I'm not taking it.".

I for one, wouldn't believe a fucking word out of Agent Orange's Clorox bleach mouth, let alone take medical advice. Have at it, if wish to take medical advice from the "Orange Pied Piper".

And here, when you again made this false claim:

... It seems he saw Biden and Kamala's early videos of them saying not to trust the vaccines since the vaccines were created during the Trump admin so he didn't get vaccinated.

I then asked:

Sure, I'll play along... So where's / what's your source for this, where Biden and Kamala Harris actually say this to the American public?

Care to "double down" on that falsehood again?

[PVMonger]

If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).

The real truth is here: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...accines-not-v/.

[PVMonger]

The survival rate in the United States is not 99.9%.

The survival rate is not even 98.8%.

There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.

To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.

There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.

Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.

Based on those two numbers, the survival rate is only 98.4%.

A much poorer survival rate, especially for 637,500 of the 680,000 dead victims.

Krispy Kritter only has about 12 talking points, all of which he stole from Fucker Carlson and all of which are complete BS. He recycles all of them and thinks we won't notice.

[The Cane]

All people who oppose taking COVID vaccines may not be Trumpsters. But, they are all equally ignorant and selfish just the same.

[Smoothy]

It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinated

If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).

[PVMonger]

And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.

See, the difference is that you Republicants have said this since Moby Dick was a minnow. Any time anything happens, you get on your "high horse" and say "actions have consequences" with all sorts of supposed moral authority.

But now, having your own "actions have consequences" logic thrown back at you hurts, doesn't it. You think you still hold the high ground but you don't. Republican covidiocy has killed 1 in 500 Americans and will kill more.

I wish I would have thought of the following:

"Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.

We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.

We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so.

Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.

Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do – and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."

[ScatManDoo]

Covid is not the Walking Dead. It is not a society-destroying virus. The survival rate is 99.9%..

The survival rate in the United States is not 99.9%.

The survival rate is not even 98.8%.

There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.

To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.

There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.

Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.

Based on those two numbers, the survival rate is only 98.4%.

A much poorer survival rate, especially for 637,500 of the 680,000 dead victims.

[Elvis 2008]

Aren't you the guy who continues to insist that the only people who die from COVID are old people with comorbidities? If so, then you can't have things both ways. Either you talk about only the Delta variant or not. Don't berate someone else for using an older study and cry "but not for delta."

Delta is what is going on in the USA right now. When alpha was dominant in the USA, vaccine mandates could be justified. Now that Delta is dominant, they make no sense.

As to your contention that viral loads tell the whole story, "In one study from Singapore, researchers found that viral loads reached high levels in vaccinated people but dropped much faster than in those who were unvaccinated". But the quote above comes from an MIT publication, and everybody knows that MIT is far less reliable than Fucker Carlson. https://www.technologyreview.com/202...n-vaccination/.

Singapore is also one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, and it too is getting hammered with Covid.

If you knew the difference between the MAGAt-popular and the correct, you'd be vaccinated because you gave a dam about those around you. But you don't and you don't.

MAGA huh? Tell me how it is that a virus made in China funded by Fauci is Trumps fault? You DDDs are intelligent but you do not have one fucking shred of common sense. I used to joke that I wish I could go on MSNBC and literally make up whatever negative things I could and blame them on Trump and see if I would be cut off. I remember only one time a liberal was reigned in when talking badly about Trump. Viral cases now have been about as bad as they ever have been, but that does not stop you douches from spewing your hate.

And I am vaccinated. That was my choice, and I do not assume to know what is best for everyone else like you do.

The funny part is that I keep seeing articles like this one about how we are just going to have live with Covid: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...L_Small_Active.

Which means everything you control freak, government loving, freedom hating spouted off over the last 18 months about how the virus could be contained was total bullshit! And the thing is you do not admit it. No, somehow despite all the facts, despite all the evidence, you douches are incapable of admitting you are and were wrong.

How do you look at the viral numbers today and say it is Trump's fault? When the military kills innocent children, you do not condemn them. You say "Under Trump, the military would have been dishonest." You love Democratic rule and government so much you love them even when they kill kids. You love and trust government even when they design a virus that kills millions.

I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people?

[EihTooms]

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It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinated
Sept. 22, 2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-h...ost-treatment/

2-3 weeks in an ICU including several days on a ventilator can cost you your house or make it damn difficult for most Americans to ever buy one. So fewer and fewer insurance companies will even share the cost of it for Covid patients who simply refused or neglected to get vaccinated.

Of course, the anti-vaxxers can always send a letter to the insurance company explaining how the "Democrat" Party doesn't know what a woman is, how Fauci changed his position on wearing a mask when more data came in for Trump's Pandemic on the issue and so on.

Maybe the insurance company will go ahead and cut that huge check to cover even half the cost or perhaps all of it if the anti-vaxxers' arguments in those letters are as convincing as they are on this forum. Lol.

[Golfinho]

"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-n...b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.

I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.

Yeah, and you're sure to find a lot of these unvaccinated evangelicals here to argue with.

And no freedom loving individuals who indulge in the subject of this website.