American Politics

[Tiny 12]

Oh now seriously, let's all put our Thinking Caps on and see if we can figure out why the national debt would need to be increased so much after Obama, Biden and, oh why not, FDR took office?

Just because they were Dems and, you know.

Dems simply "spend like drunken sailors"?

How about this; name the Dem POTUS who came into office in the midst of NO Depression, NO Recession, two back-to-back quarters of 7%+ GDP Growth, DECLINING Unemployment Rates, DECLINING Rates of Inflation, after historic job gains and NO Massive Job Losses, with America engaged in not even ONE ground war on foreign soil yet who still launched into his Party's favorite economic policies that tripled the national debt and increased deficit spending that would embarrass a drunken sailor.

I'll save you and Elvis the research time; NO incoming Dem has been handed such a set of positive conditions from an outgoing Repub going back as far as reliable records are kept.

None.

But I can readily recall at least one incoming Repub who did exactly that, all of it; Beloved Repub Icon and Template for all Repub Economic Philosophy, Agenda and Results, Teflon Ronnie Reagan.

With a great big honorable mention going to GW Bush as recipient of the second greatest handoff of all time whose favorite Repub policies shit all over the USA economy and financial prudence as soon as they were enacted.

Trump almost inherited all those positive kinds of conditions except for the ground war on foreign soil part that his immediate Repub predecessor totally unnecessarily plunged America into and was only one of at least two that his immediate Dem predecessor was handed and had to deal with on day one.

Still, no incoming Dem has been handed as good a set of conditions from an outgoing Repub as Trump was handed by Obama.

Least of all FDR, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

And for about the past 100 years, no incoming Repub has been handed as crappy a set of conditions from an outgoing Dem as virtually every Dem has been handed by the outgoing Repub. Not even close.

Just an unbroken pattern of "wild coincidences" of course, right? LOL.

Your proof of cause and effect for the party of the president and economic performance is just as convincing as your identification of party affiliation of serial killers.

[Tiny 12]

Age and gender of children sexually abused by priests:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig3_247523934




Excerpt from New York Times Article, It Is Not a Closet. It Is a Cage. Gay Catholic Priests Speak Out
The crisis over sexuality in the Catholic Church goes beyond abuse. It goes to the heart of the priesthood, into a closet that is trapping thousands of men.

Fewer than about 10 priests in the United States have dared to come out publicly. But gay men probably make up at least 30 to 40 percent of the American Catholic clergy, according to dozens of estimates from gay priests themselves and researchers. Some priests say the number is closer to 75 percent. One priest in Wisconsin said he assumed every priest was gay unless he knows for a fact he is not. A priest in Florida put it this way: A third are gay, a third are straight and a third dont know what the hell they are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/u...speak-out.html

Regardless of whether it's a boy or a girl, or the sexual orientation of the perpetrator, it's sick. We all agree about that.

[Spidy]

Your ignorance is breathtaking. No hypothesis necessary, every cocksucking priest that raped a little boy was GAY not straight.

Delusional as ever and still living in denial, as a means to cope with life, is always a neat trick the mind plays on one's perception of life.

STRAIGHT clergymen and clergywomen have been abusing boys and girls in the Church for decades. Deny it all you want. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of cases out there.

How many raped the little girls? ZERO, why? You might ask why is that, because they are fucking GAY.

I went to a Catholic grammar school (and high school and university) there were plenty of girls for them to rape.

Of course not all priests were gay, but if they were GAY they were sure to be raping the little boys, whilst the hetero ones were not raping anyone.

No, you'd be WRONG! All of what just came of out of your mouth (except the going to school part)...is pure nonsense! Foot in Mouth disease is definitely catching!

BTW, the Catholic church is the worst offender of sexual abuse. This article paints a "bullseye" on the Catholic Church, as the "arch buggerers", they're well know as:

These Are The Chilling Stories Of Abuse Covered Up By The Catholic Church

"Jurors heard stories of boys and girls being groped. They heard about cases of kids becoming victims of child pornography, being made to masturbate with assailants, and being raped, orally, vaginally and anally". ..."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/these...b0df9b093b7235

The link above, reports a very "chilling" AND "gruesome" tale of sexual abuse suffered by both BOYS and GIRLS, inflected by the Catholic Church. So contrary to "your denial", now you know, like the rest of the world already knew, that GIRLS (just like BOYS) are being "...raped, orally, vaginally and anally", by clergymen.

So according to your ignorant logic, if it's ONLY GAY MEN, that abuse "little boys", then that leaves "STRAIGHT" clergymen as the culprits, that "...raped, orally, vaginally and anally", the GIRLS in the article above.

Here below are a couple other cases of a clergyman sexually abusing girls, that YOU claim NEVER happens:

Oregon church leader jailed for sex abuse of girls in his congregation ...
https://www.bishop-accountability.or...on-police-say/

Former altar girl: I was abused for years at Brooklyn Catholic church
https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/teen-a...tholic-church/

FWIW, many cases of the sexual abuse victims, that went to Catholic Church, also experience trauma so deep they live in denial, their whole lives.

Ring a bell? No, well...True FACT! As a defense mechanism, many survivors of childhood sex abuse subconsciously block out the painful memories of what happened to them, as a copping mechanism.

But sincerely, I hope this helps with your denial, about ALL the variations of sexual abuse (even from "STRAIGHT MEN and WOMEN), that often took place in your Catholic Churches, going on for decades.

PS: Curious, was that Trump University?

[Spidy]

I have seen many really stoopid comments and posts on ISG ...

Surely, if my post was so "stoopid", a man of your "stature", "intellect" and "reasoning", can explain yourself, when you say "I never heard of any nuns fucking the other altar boys or, I certainly would of been all over it". Correct me if I wrong, but it sounds like your saying, you'd wouldn't have minded getting sexually abuse by nuns.

Is it so difficult for you find the words, to explain what you meant by your comments?

Here are several articles on minors being abused by nuns:
Women Sexually Abused By Catholic Nuns Speak Up: She Told Me ...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nuns-...b0d3a48b563001

Sexual Abuse of Nuns: Longstanding Church Scandal Emerges From
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/w...buse-nuns.html

I stand by my statement w/r to the church as an equal opportunity offender.

As another BM was trying to impart on you, the church is an equal opportunity offender.Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy/girl and the offender is a clergyman/woman with straight or gay sexual orientation.

These Are The Chilling Stories Of Abuse Covered Up By The Catholic Church
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/these...b0df9b093b7235

Not sure what you think is so "dumb" about my statement, but the above article by the Huffington post, substantiates my statement. Note, the alleged clergymen/priests weren't classified as either as "gay" or "straight", but simply "predator priests", abusing both "BOYS" and "GIRLS".

But sincerest congratulations you qualified yourself as the dumbest mootherfucker on ISG, EVER! ...

A few of may fav quotes on this subject matter:
"Vulgarity is the effort of a weak mind to forcibly express itself" ---Unknown quote

"Profanity never indicates high station or a well bred person. It is an evidence of low breeding, of limited ideas and a weak mind." -Source: "Profanity," in Massachusetts Reformatory, Our Paper (November 24, 1906)

I need to find the ignore button ASAP I suggest others do the same.

• Tip of the day: In truth, the ISG forum's "IGNORE button", really doesn't work that well in practice. But by all means, you're welcome to use it!
  
  The real trick to "IGNORING" other ISGers (when they've hurt your itty-bitty feelings, shame you, belittle you or were being silly towards you, or just plain outwitted you), is to show some "will power" and "restraint" and use that the real "god-given" IGNORE button in your brains (assuming that is, you have all your faculties in check).

[Spidy]

Ted Bundy, Republican:

https://law.jrank.org/pages/12174/Bu...nnections.html

In fact, Bundy was the kind of Repub whose appearance, presentation and chosen candidates to support most directly would peg him as one of those "normal" Republicans.

Jeffrey Dahmer's political affiliation is more difficult to determine. However, his family's influence and life choices strongly suggest he was a typical, closeted, conservative, anti-science, bible-thumping Repub:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#text=In%20 early%201982%2 see%20 he%20 found, money%20 his%20 grandmother%20 gave%20 him.

And there is no doubt Hitler would have been drawn to Trump's Republican Party that praises, attracts and is practically exclusively represented in its voter base by "very fine people on both sides", but most especially on the Nazi side.

Yeah, you draw some interesting parallels to Republican ideology. In retrospect though, it was an interesting choice of people. Dictators, terrorists, serial-killers and psychopaths.

Was this a subconscious nod to Republican villainy?

[MarquisdeSade1]

"The greatest threat to the National Security of the USA is not Hamas, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran or any terrorist groups funded and supported by them. And, no, it is definitely not Joe Biden. LOL.

It is the USA electorate who carelessly and ignorantly votes in such a way that helps to put so much as a single Repub in a position of power.

Right now, ISIS at its height could not pose as much of a deadly risk to American life, limb, economy and National Security as just a tiny handful of Do Nothing, Know Nothing, Incompetent, Incapable of governing and uninterested in learning how Pink Tinkle Repubs in Congress.

Thank you for your vote. ".

Take your fucking meds bro!!

[EihTooms]

Sockpuppet Dirty Joe is not only corrupt hes also extremely incompetent.

That puts a target on all of our backs!!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/st...19/id/1138996/

The greatest threat to the National Security of the USA is not Hamas, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran or any terrorist groups funded and supported by them. And, no, it is definitely not Joe Biden. LOL.

It is the USA electorate who carelessly and ignorantly votes in such a way that helps to put so much as a single Repub in a position of power.

Right now, ISIS at its height could not pose as much of a deadly risk to American life, limb, economy and National Security as just a tiny handful of Do Nothing, Know Nothing, Incompetent, Incapable of governing and uninterested in learning how Pink Tinkle Repubs in Congress.

Thank you for your vote.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"BTW, use whatever words (or sexual abuse phases) that appeals to your ISG moniker's namesake, (ie. Fucked, sodomy, raped. Etc), but can we just agree it's really ALL just sexual abuse. Not trying to be a prude or anything, but if we're going to continue this discussion around minors, do we really need to get into specifics? But if you think, specifics helps your case, feel free.

So Catholic altar boy, aside (as a "deeper dive" might explain many things, but perhaps another time), I find your statement very disturbing and very troubling indeed. And I didn't get the impression you were joking either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say suggests (or implies) you're condoning sexual abuse by the church on alter boys (minors), if the sexual abuse is inflected by its nunnery / convent?

So now I have to ask. Why would you be OK with this? Is it because, it.

Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation.

The church accommodates all combinations of sexual abuse, on minors, with which you care to present.

Nuns, that you want abusing you? Do alter boys even get a say in the matter, as to who abuses them?

But sincerest congratulations you qualified yourself as the dumbest mootherfucker on ISG, EVER!

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

Now you can go Seppuku away the shame!!

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec7rCsNFn30

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

"Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy / girl and the offender is a clergyman / woman with straight or gay sexual orientation. ".

I need to find the ignore button ASAP I suggest others do the same.

[Spidy]

I was a Catholic altar boy, now a militant atheist, I never heard of any nuns fucking the other altar boys or I certainly would of been all over it!

BTW, use whatever words (or sexual abuse phases) that appeals to your ISG moniker's namesake, (ie. fucked, sodomy, raped...etc), but can we just agree it's really ALL just sexual abuse. Not trying to be a prude or anything, but if we're going to continue this discussion around minors, do we really need to get into specifics? But if you think, specifics helps your case, feel free.

So Catholic altar boy, aside (as a "deeper dive" might explain many things, but perhaps another time), I find your statement very disturbing and very troubling indeed. And I didn't get the impression you were joking either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say"...I certainly would of been all over it", suggests (or implies) you're condoning sexual abuse by the church on alter boys (minors), if the sexual abuse is inflected by its nunnery/convent?

So now I have to ask...why would you be OK with this? Is it because, it's "STRAIGHT sex" with a minor? And if so, then by extension you would also condone clergymen/priesthood, sexually abusing the alter girls?

Should the alter girls, also be thrilled "...to certainly have been all over it", too?

As another BM was trying to impart on you, the church is an equal opportunity offender.Does not matter, whether the minor is an alter boy/girl and the offender is a clergyman/woman with straight or gay sexual orientation.

The church accommodates all combinations of sexual abuse, on minors, with which you care to present.

PS: BTW, is it ONLY with the "hot", nuns, that you want abusing you? Do alter boys even get a say in the matter, as to who abuses them?

[Spidy]

https://dailystormer.in/well-meaning...ear-old-woman/

Please define your usage of the word pedophile.

I rest my case.

https://www.nambla.org/

https://dc.ewu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.c...context=theses

Is it too much to ask, that your provide of a little context, to go with your plethora of links that you throw up and then expect US to infer what exactly?

Some CONTEXT please, IF YOU WANT READERS to understand your position on topics and subject matters being discussed.

Why...is your word usage of pedophile, different than the one in the Webster's dictionary?

[Spidy]

Do numbers mean anything to you?

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/in...-a-record-high#text=Interest%20 costs%20 represented%20 about%208,spends%20 on%20 income%20 security%20 programs.

Net interest payments on the national debt rose from $352 billion in 2021 to $475 billion in 2022. As of August 2023 it costs $808 billion to maintain the debt, which is 15% of the total federal spending.

You don't have your head out the window. Your head is up your ass.

Was exception something sooner. But your reply has been duly noted, all the same!

My plate is full at the moment and I've kinda move on from this topic. But I'll see if I can circle-back at some point to give a REAL answer.

I feel like doing the Jonny Carson Carnac bit. The answer is it is Trump's fault.

The question: how do Tooms and Spidy account for the massive explosion in interest payments on the debt?

Hey Carnac the Magnificent ("mystic from the east"),

Looks like and does seems to me you've answered your own question...kkkk!

It is true what they say, "Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself". (as it were)

PS: BTW, Elvis, does this make you the "mystic from the West". Instead of a really cool shinny, glittering turban, would your head gear be a 20lbs gallon hat with pom poms? (...kkkk!).

[Spidy]

OK, you win Spidy. Carlos Mucha was a Republican.

Okay!

Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Republicans too. Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

Hitler is a Republican...hmmmm, you MAYBE on to something there! But keep it under your hat for now!

So was Paul Krugman, Rashida Tlaib, Jerry Nadler, Lawrence Tribe, James Galbraith and everyone else who came up with or pushed the idea of using a trillion dollar platinum coin to bypass Republicans and increase the debt ceiling.

Hey listen! It has been acknowledged (by myself, EihTooms and you) that as of late, due to recent crisis events, when asked by reporters, whether due to the pandemic or crazy Republican political debt hostage negotiations, yes, some Democrats have embraced the coin idea, or some variation of it. They see it as a possible solution to these issues. I have not denied that.

So yes, you are correct about this, with regards to these Democrats, being recent adopters of the coin idea. But let's not get this twisted. Again, NONE OF THEM, are the progenitor/creator of the coin idea.

Now I did already submitted a Huffington Post that article that states, [Jan 24th, 2023] "Democrats and Republicans Agree: Minting A $1 Trillion Coin Isn't A Serious Idea"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mint-...b0c2b49ad81fc9. While neither see the coin as a serious idea, clearly the Dems are hanging on to this crazy notion, as a possible way, to combat the crazy notions by MAGA Repubs on the far right.

Good on you for pulling up my initial/original post, (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...14#post2859614). Now since you've re-posted it, I will assume you've re-read it!!! (Although, that maybe a poor assumption on my part, since you clearly DID NOT properly read any of your own articles/links, where they clearly indicate Beowulf as a REPUBLICAN).

I'm assuming you've pulled it up to say what exactly??? What, that I said, "a republication is the progenitor/creator of the coin idea?" Unlike yourself, declaring (a couple of times) you'd found your "Democrat Patsy" as the progenitor/creator of the coin (as shown through ACTS 1 and ACTS 2), I did not make any such grandiose statements, until I knew for sure (in ACT 3). BTW, thanks again for providing the articles and links, prove my case.

Now naturally, when reading my original post about the coin idea, someone might get the impression and/or assume, that I thought the idea was a REPUBLICAN created idea. Note, for those BMs that read this political forum and know my posts, will acknowledge, I tend to post a lot of dumb things Repubs (mostly MAGA Repubs) say and do. So your conclusions to those assumptions would be warranted.

With that said, it's not a stretch of the imagination, Tiny 12 (also given your Democratic prejudices), for you to THINK that, in my initial post, I had said "a REPUBLICAN created idea". If you still think, I said that, then I ask again, please indicate where in that post I explicitly said, say, proclaim or state, "a REPUBLICAN is the creator/created the coin idea".

Tiny 12, perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but let's be honest here, what you really meant was that my initial post was "implying", that "a REPUBLICAN is the creator/created the coin idea". Which, as I said before, hadn't occurred to me until you open your mouth and proclaimed, it was the Democrats (on several occasions)! I know you don't believe me, but it's true, I wasn't thinking that, when I wrote the post.

So yes, you may think my post "implies" a Republican, is the coin idea's creator, but it DOES NOT specifically or explicitly, say so in the post.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Sockpuppet Dirty Joe is not only corrupt hes also extremely incompetent.

That puts a target on all of our backs!!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/st...19/id/1138996/

[MarquisdeSade1]

A feat no one has accomplished since the late great FDR.

https://amgreatness.com/2023/10/16/trump-is-surging/

[EihTooms]

OK, you win Spidy. Carlos Mucha was a Republican.
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Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Republicans too. Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

Ted Bundy, Republican:

https://law.jrank.org/pages/12174/Bu...nnections.html

In fact, Bundy was the kind of Repub whose appearance, presentation and chosen candidates to support most directly would peg him as one of those "normal" Republicans.

Jeffrey Dahmer's political affiliation is more difficult to determine. However, his family's influence and life choices strongly suggest he was a typical, closeted, conservative, anti-science, bible-thumping Repub:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#text=In%20 early%201982%2 see%20 he%20 found, money%20 his%20 grandmother%20 gave%20 him.

Shortly after completing his lengthy confessions in 1991, Dahmer had requested to Detective Murphy that he be given a copy of the Bible. This request was granted and Dahmer gradually devoted himself to Christianity and became a born-again Christian. On his father's urging, he also read creationist books from the Institute for Creation Research. In May 1994, Dahmer was baptized by Roy Ratcliff, a minister in the Church of Christ and a graduate of Oklahoma Christian University whom he had met on April 20. This service was conducted in the prison whirlpool.

And there is no doubt Hitler would have been drawn to Trump's Republican Party that praises, attracts and is practically exclusively represented in its voter base by "very fine people on both sides", but most especially on the Nazi side.