American Politics

[MarquisdeSade1]

"So now you and Bill Maher are Campaigning For Repubs on the lie that "Dems legalized Robbery and Murder!" ?

LOL.

The last so-called potus that got shot in Washington was your Party's beloved Teflon Ronnie during Teflon Ronnie's so-called presidency.

I guess Teflon Ronnie was just another soft on crime Repub leading a murderous crimewave of mayhem across the country.

Oh, and again, who was so-called potus on January 6, 2021 when I am sure the Repubs we saw on video scurrying for their lives from Trumpster Tourists invading the Capitol to hang and murder them would gladly have traded that for getting robbed or car jacked?

Another soft on crime Repub, of course. LOL. ".

https://www.newsmax.com/morris/surve...20/id/1139004/

[Spidy]

It's widely reported, that I think ALL Repubs are BAD! Not true!

As this week, I found a few good men and women that call themselves Republicans. But curb your enthusiasm folks (and let's not get ahead of ourselves), as there's still a lot of work to do, as some of the bad Republicans are going to be ratcheting up and stepping up, their "thuggin' game".

Good Republicans (a term I use loosely), having a "come to Jesus moment:

• Sidney "Kracken Lady" Powell and John "Cheese Puff" Chesebro, both pled guilty, thus flipping on Trump and other co-defenders.

• On Oct 18th, 19th and 20th, 2023, there were 22 good Republicans, withstood an onslaught of brazen party pressure tactics, bullying and death threats, from Jim Jordan (Trump's nomination for Speaker of the House), Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and the MAGA Republican fringe.

Note: This could signal a sea change, for Repubs who want to "do the right thing?" (ie. like voting for Trump's impeachment, against the MAGA bullies and resume actual work/governing in the House for a change).

Bad Republicans:

• Jim Jordan's bid for the speaker of the house (what a waste breath and time that was).

• Rep.Nancy Mace (R-SC) (and others), basically normalizing "death threats" to her fellow Repubs, saying this "it's no big deal...", or "this is a red herring..." and "...this is what to expect", meaning I guess, this is what today's Repub party look like? Just take the "Trump Thuggin' 101 Playbook" and run with it?

Well, that's it, but could something like this (perhaps a weekly segment), help improve Repub party image? Or are they just a hopeless, clown show (see picture from previous post)?

PS: At the very least, it's me, saying something nice about Repubs for a change. (....kkkk!)

[Spidy]

How many times do I have to tell you, Im tired of talking about what nuns and priests do in their spare time.

Yeah, STOP telling me and try telling it to YOURSELF!

Ok, Im going to try to change the topic.

By some measures a 25 year old chimpanzee is more intelligent than an 80 year old human. Do you know who's 80 years old? Joe Biden, that's who!

https://images.app.goo.gl/G3m932L2YGYfnEP9A

Monkey see monkey do.

You said it...monkey see, monkey do!

Perhaps your Republican buddy, MDS1, has an interest in monkey comparisons and other such "low hanging fruit".

You both should get along "swingingly" with such primate and primordial conversation.

I'll gracefully bow out of any such monkey debates, comparisons or business. Does NOT interest me!

Good luck with that debate!

[EihTooms]

How many times do I have to tell you, Im tired of talking about what nuns and priests do in their spare time. Ok, Im going to try to change the topic.

By some measures a 25 year old chimpanzee is more intelligent than an 80 year old human. Do you know who's 80 years old? Joe Biden, that's who!

https://images.app.goo.gl/G3m932L2YGYfnEP9A

Monkey see monkey do.

And we know that by every measure Biden is a smarter, better informed, better prepared, more lucid, more cognitively capable and competent and a better POTUS than the 77 year old offspring of Orangutans former so-called potus.

[Tiny 12]

Tiny 12, Yeah, you and MDS1, might want to check your monkey business, spanking, sayings and / or monkey proverbs, with someone who REALLY cares.

But that so cute you think, you feel the need to CONFIRM your "male" identity/leanings with me, as if I REALLY care.

PS: Are you MDS1's mouthpiece now and his straight/gay clergymen sexual apologist, for sexually abusing BOYS and GIRLS ? Dude can't speak for himself?

Ask him about the sexual abuse from "hot' nuns? I hear, he wouldn't mind gettin' some (what ever that means).

You know for some who's still in the conversation, do you even know who the hell's monkey circus it is you're talking about?

How many times do I have to tell you, I’m tired of talking about what nuns and priests do in their spare time. Ok, I’m going to try to change the topic.

By some measures a 25 year old chimpanzee is more intelligent than an 80 year old human. Do you know who's 80 years old? Joe Biden, that's who!

https://images.app.goo.gl/G3m932L2YGYfnEP9A

Monkey see monkey do.

[Spidy]

Spidy, Please stop confusing Polish proverbs with penises.

Tiny 12, Yeah, you and MDS1, might want to check your monkey business, spanking, sayings and / or monkey proverbs, with someone who REALLY cares.

The Marquis and I are heterosexuals. We ain't no stinkin' Log Cabin Republicans.

But that so cute you think, you feel the need to CONFIRM your "male" identity/leanings with me, as if I REALLY care.

PS: Are you MDS1's mouthpiece now and his straight/gay clergymen sexual apologist, for sexually abusing BOYS and GIRLS ? Dude can't speak for himself?

Ask him about the sexual abuse from "hot' nuns? I hear, he wouldn't mind gettin' some (what ever that means).

You know for some who's still in the conversation, do you even know who the hell's monkey circus it is you're talking about?

[EihTooms]

Per ETs characterizations of Dirty Joes mayhem and murderous crime wave sweeping every corner of the country 24/7.

https://www.aol.com/news/senate-warn...080049392.html

https://www.aol.com/news/son-nashvil...tR4j1cf1iXLYq8

So now you and Bill Maher are Campaigning For Repubs on the lie that "Dems legalized Robbery and Murder!" ?

LOL.

The last so-called potus that got shot in Washington was your Party's beloved Teflon Ronnie during Teflon Ronnie's so-called presidency.

I guess Teflon Ronnie was just another soft on crime Repub leading a murderous crimewave of mayhem across the country.

Oh, and again, who was so-called potus on January 6, 2021 when I am sure the Repubs we saw on video scurrying for their lives from Trumpster Tourists invading the Capitol to hang and murder them would gladly have traded that for getting robbed or car jacked?

Another soft on crime Repub, of course. LOL.

[Tiny 12]

Yeah, I'm sure you've got more important monkeys to spank!

....But by all means, you might want to definitely pass along the message to your good Republican buddy, MDS1, who's analogies of "whispering sweet nothings", in the ears of others, might get your monkey?

Spidy, Please stop confusing Polish proverbs with penises. The Marquis and I are heterosexuals. We ain't no stinkin' Log Cabin Republicans.

[Spidy]

This is your and the Marquis' monkey Spidy. Your monkey, your circus. It's not of much interest to me.

Not sure why you're being so repetitive? Why tell me the same thing in less than two (2) hours? In back-to-back posts?

Here:

Not my monkey Spidey.

Okay, Okay, Tiny 12, I got the message. No need for a 3rd time. As it won't be the charm!

But by all means, you might want to definitely pass along the message to your good Republican buddy, MDS1, who's analogies of "whispering sweet nothings", in the ears of others, might get your monkey?

[Tiny 12]

Yeah, I'm sure you've got more important monkeys to spank!

This is your and the Marquis' monkey Spidy. Your monkey, your circus. It's not of much interest to me.

[Spidy]

Text from the paper you posted here said 81% of sexual victims of Catholic clergy were boys. Presumably the graph, from the same paper, agrees with that. In the general population, about 75% to 80% of victims are girls, based on what I'm reading. Combined with estimates that possibly 30% to 70% of priests are gay, compared to single digit numbers in the general population, this in general supports what the Marquis was getting at.

Go back and re-read where MDS1, states, priests NEVER sexually abuse GIRLS. That is ONE of the key arguments being waged here. Hence why I was trying to correct you (on your previous post) on "what" the discussion was REALLY about.

NOTE: It seems MDS1, also took issue with you as well...kkkk! Here:http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2861926

Back peddling on the data won't get you anywhere, no matter the spin on the percentages. The data, charts and articles, CLEARLY shows there are STRAIGHT (as well as GAY) PRIESTS that are sexually abusing GIRLS and well as boys.

A priest in Florida put it this way: A third are gay, a third are straight and a third dont know what the hell they are.

Again, this priest's candid estimation, is probably spot on, IMHO.

This is all your data from the post/link you give us Tiny 12. OWN IT!

Please note I said earlier the info "better" supports the Marquis' case. He was using absolutes when he shouldn't have been. Some of what he wrote if taken literally sounds ridiculous, however I believe he was exaggerating to make a point. If you ignore all that, then yes, you can derive more support from the paper for your argument than the Marquis'.

Yeah, back peddle all you want!

MDS1, had more than enough chances to correct himself if he was exaggerating. MDS1, (I think) is capable enough to retract, take-back, withdraw or explain said comments if he's feel he's in the wrong. So far I haven't seen any such retraction, assuming of course he feels there's even a need to make one.

So instead of coming at me with your back-peddling spin on the debate, because I was simply "making it clear" (and believe MDS1 also does question YOUR post, in one of his latest post), perhaps you should have asked MDS1, if he was, "exaggerating to make a point", before you jumped ALL OVER ME and into a debate, you'd very little idea of what was being debated.

I'm not taking the time to go back and re-read any of this.

Sure hide your head in the sand. Then be prepared to suffer the consequences, that come with "foot-in-mouth" disease, if you enter a debate with out all the information.

Not my monkey Spidey.

Yeah, I'm sure you've got more important monkeys to spank!

I'm in this thread to convert Democrats to Classical Liberalism, not to discuss the sex lives of the clergy. Like I said, "I'm not getting into this further because I don't think discussion of adults having sex with boys and girls, except to condemn it, is in the best interests of this site. " And that's where this may be going.

If this is you "back peddling" out of the debate, then farewell and goodbye. I'll see you in the next round of debates.

[Spidy]

"Age and gender of children sexually abused by priests:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...he-abuse-began

Regardless of whether it's a boy or a girl, or the sexual orientation of the perpetrator, it's sick. We all agree about that. ".

When I whisper in their ear I want to "RAPE the fuck out of you" theyve replied.

"you cannot rape the willing".

Regardless of whether it's a boy or a girl, or the sexual orientation of the perpetrator, it's sick. We all agree about that. ".

No we can't all agree, that's ASININE!! On steroids.

Have you ever asked girlfriends or wives their sexually fantasies? Many will say to be forcibly raped by 1 or more men.

Now ask 1000000000 straight teen boys their sexual fantasies, how many do you think will say to be raped by a man?

Not sure what the hell you mean, as the data / charts provided by Tiny 12, shows priest sexually abusing (in all its forms), both GIRLS as well as BOYs.

But I do look forward to Tiny 12, providing a wonderful explanation for you.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"LOL. I provided info that supports your view better than Spidy's. You may not have been able to tell that because the researchgate link is broken now. Spidy however located the paper (Karen J. Terry's) the graph came from and posted on it below. I'm not finding a link to the full paper with the graphs though. One showed a much larger number of boys than girls being abused.

I maintain that all of us, including you, believe sexual abuse of girls and boys by priests and nuns is sick. That's using my definition of "sexual abuse. " I'm not getting into this further because I don't think discussion of adults having sex with boys and girls, except to condemn it, is in the best interests of this site. ".

Why is that?

[Tiny 12]

It sure as hell looks like the link YOU provided, CLEARLY shows PRIESTS sexually abusing GIRLS.

Something MDS1, says priests don't do and NEVER have sexually abused girls.

YOUR link YOU provide says otherwise.

Understanding the Sexual Abuse Crisis in the Catholic Church: Challenges with Prevention Policies
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig3_247523934

Something YOU obviously missed your buddy cohort saying. So again, may I suggest you TAKE THE TIME, go-back and re-read said posts from MDS1, before you jump to more silly conclusions.

Text from the paper you posted here said 81% of sexual victims of Catholic clergy were boys. Presumably the graph, from the same paper, agrees with that. In the general population, about 75% to 80% of victims are girls, based on what I'm reading. Combined with estimates that possibly 30% to 70% of priests are gay, compared to single digit numbers in the general population, this in general supports what the Marquis was getting at.

Please note I said earlier the info "better" supports the Marquis' case. He was using absolutes when he shouldn't have been. Some of what he wrote if taken literally sounds ridiculous, however I believe he was exaggerating to make a point. If you ignore all that, then yes, you can derive more support from the paper for your argument than the Marquis'.

I'm not taking the time to go back and re-read any of this.

RIGHT! So why don't you explain to us JUST EXACTLY what MDS1 view was? Please tell us?

I urge to go back and read ALL of MDS1's comment and THEN come back and tell us WHAT EXACTLY WERE HIS VIEWS?

IF YOU are going to jump in mid-stream into the debate, KNOW WHAT DEBATE IS ABOUT!!!!

Not my monkey Spidey. I'm in this thread to convert Democrats to Classical Liberalism, not to discuss the sex lives of the clergy. Like I said, "I'm not getting into this further because I don't think discussion of adults having sex with boys and girls, except to condemn it, is in the best interests of this site. " And that's where this may be going.

[Spidy]

Between Heaven and Hell: Spillover Effects of Exogenous Shocks on Exits from the Catholic and Protestant Churches in Germany.

For decades, the annual numbers of exits of members from the Catholic Church and Protestant Church have been.

Increasing. Closer inspection of diocese-level data shows that the time-series pattern of exits is nonlinear with a.

Series of intermediate peaks. This paper uses an event study approach to model the impacts of various scandals.

On church exit rates. We find that sexual abuse and financial scandals located in the Catholic Church contribute to.

Increased exit rates not just in that Church but also, by way of spillover effects, to higher exit rates of Protestant.

Church members.

INTRODUCTION.

In Germany, the annual exit rate of members from the Catholic Church has been increasing.

For decades. This trend, however, is not linear, but is punctuated by several intermediate peaks that.

Might have been caused by certain events or "shocks. " Recent shocks like the public disclosure of.

Abuse scandals might have driven exit rates. In Pennsylvania, thousands of cases of sexual abuse.

Have been documented in the 40th Statewide Investigating Grand Jury report 1 and have received.

Broad media coverage in the last decade. In Germany, the situation is not much different: Just.

Recently, the Catholic Church in Germany published the results of a systematic investigation of.

Sexual abuse cases. It revealed that 3,677 mostly male minors became victims of sexual abuse.

Between 1946 and 2014.1 In early 2010, a number of cases of sexual abuse of altar boys by.

Catholic priests became public for the first time. Since then, the Catholic Church has had to.

Publicly deal with this scandal, the dimension of which still remains unknown.

However, the abuse scandals were not the only shocks hitting the Catholic Church as a num-.

Ber of financial scandals became public since 2014, when the bishop of the diocese of Limburg.

Was found guilty of misallocating public funds of at least 31 million euros to renovate his resi-.

Dence. 2 Similar cases were revealed in other dioceses like Eichstätt,3 where 50 million euros of.

Public funds had been diverted in investments in real estate in the United States. Another case.

Occurred in the diocese of Freiburg where the bishop's relevant staff ceased to pay social security.

Contribution for the entire diocese's staff, the amount of which has been estimated to be as high.

As 160 million euros.

In this paper, we take such shocks as exogenous events and investigate their impact on mem-.

Ber exits from the Catholic Church in Germany. While we are particularly interested in the effect.

The abuse and nancial scandal have on exit rates, we also try to investigate these shocks in com-.

Parison to other events happening in the Catholic Church, such as the election of Popes or the.

Announcement of encyclicals such as Humanae Vitae. Moreover, we also take into consideration.

Political events like the fall of the Berlin Wall and the introduction of the solidarity tax or changes.

In the German tax system for reasons to be explained below. Further, we also analyze whether.

These shocks have spillover effects to the Protestant Church, resulting in higher Protestant exit.

Rates as a response to the shocks occurring in the Catholic Church. The remainder of this paper is.

Organized as follows: First, we present a brief review of the relevant previous literature. Second,

We describe our theoretical and methodological framework, followed by descriptive statistics and.

Econometric ndings. We then discuss our ndings. The paper ends with a conclusion.

The Role of Scandals in the Catholic Church.

Following disclosure of the sexual abuse scandals in the diocese of Regensburg in 2010, many.

Of the leading representatives of the Catholic Church preferred to ignore the irritation and even.

Horror that these events had caused among their members. Instead, many church ofcials started.

To neglect core aspects of their work, like the spiritual care and general welfare of the members.

Of their church (Barth 2010:784) in an attempt to prevent elucidation of the different scandals.

To impede (presumably) "unjustied" critique and to avoid (further) reputational damages.

As individuals typically identify themselves with the social group (s) they belong to, they.

Tend to experience their positive evaluation being challenged when a negative event. A scandal -.

Occurs. As a result, their cost-benet-relation of continued membership is likely to change (see.

Piazza and Jourdan 2018:171). In case a particular scandal gains public attention, people may.

Even decide they do not want to be associated with an organization with a deteriorating reputation.

And, therefore, leave that organization (see, e. G. , O'Reilly and Chatman 1986; Piazza and Jourdan.

2018; Pontikes, Negro, and Rao 2010; Pryor, Reeder, and Monroe 2012). In the present context.

This means that as soon as a scandal—be it an abuse or a nancial scandal—becomes public.

Members experiencing increasing (psychic or mental) costs of membership "resolve" their prob-.

Lem by deciding to exit from the Catholic Church (see Piazza and Jourdan 2018:171). Thus, we.

Hypothesize:

"Scandals in both denominations, the Catholic as well as the Protestant Church, lead to in-.

Creases in the annual exit rate".

. .

CONCLUSION.

Summarizing, our estimations show that the various kinds of exogenous shocks that we dis-.

Tinguish here all have statistically signican't and economically relevant impacts on the decision.

Of individuals to either leave their church or retain their membership. First and most important.

Our preferred estimates show that the recent sexual abuse scandals had a signicantly negative.

Immediate as well as long-term impact, in the sense that, they increased the annual number of.

Exits from the Catholic Church. Sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church also raised exit.

Rates in the Protestant Church with a delay.

The exit patterns revealed here suggest that the leading representatives of the Catholic Church.

Have done a rather poor job in dealing with the two scandals. While the bishop of Limburg was.

Demoted from ofce only after a highly emotional public debate, the victims of the various sex-.

Ual abuse scandals are still waiting for a conviction of their abusers. Thus, lack of transparency.

Combined with a poor crisis management has been very costly to the Catholic Church not only in.

Terms of loss of credibility, but also in terms of loss of nancial resources.