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07-19-21 14:28 #3915
Posts: 1604Maricopa County
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
"Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn’t get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline — with the votes of in-person early voters..
Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.
Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.
Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list — nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243. " But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.
That is in line with the October 23 cut-off date Archer had previously noted for the requested-ballots list.
The explanation: October 24 and 25 were weekend days when county clerks didn't update the submitted-ballot list, Archer said, so they added the ballots cast by in-person voters on those weekend days to the submitted-ballot totals starting on October 26.
"This is a glaring omission in the analysis," Archer tweeted of the auditors. "It is either grossly negligent for failing to see a pattern of ballots being returned after a certain date or the statements were deliberately misleading."
Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department, also said on Twitter that the requested-ballots list stops getting updated 11 days before Election Day but the submitted-ballots list continues to get updated until the day before Election Day..
Patrick tweeted of the auditors: "Again: They don't know what they're looking at. "
Archer said the two EV files are created for the benefit of the political parties' campaign efforts and not meant to be comprehensive records of all ballots, so they are not ideal documents for a forensic audit. The county made a similar remark on Twitter, calling them "not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received."
Meanwhile, some citizens interpreted Logan's remarks as a claim that the total number of mail-in ballots the county recorded as received was higher than the total number the county recorded as having sent out. We don't think that's what Logan actually said, but for the record, Maricopa County tweeted on Friday that this was not true, either.
Without the access Logan's team has, we can't say for certain that there are no errors or issues with the two lists; it's entirely possible that some issue or another will be uncovered at some point. It's possible, Archer said, that there were clerical errors with the small number of ballots — 29 — that he found had been recorded on the submitted-ballots list before October 26 but did not have a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list.
But Logan had suggested there was a massive, unsolved data problem. Experts have made clear that he simply did not understand the data..
See. There was no cheating. The head of the sham audit didn't have a clue what he was looking at and then blathered on in such a way that the trumpets thought he knew what he was talking about.
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07-19-21 03:55 #3914
Posts: 1604Wrong. Again.
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
This wasn't hyperbole. And the market has gone up.
The orange buffoon lied. Again.
Which makes you wrong. Again.
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07-19-21 03:49 #3913
Posts: 1604Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
What no trumper has ever explained is why there was no election fraud in Houston? Or Dallas. Or Cleveland. Or Columbus. Or Charlotte. Or St. Louis. Or Seattle. Or Denver or the hundreds of other "failing Democrat run cities". Did these cities do things right? Hell, Colorado has mail-in voting for the entire state. There was no fraud there? Why aren't the orange buffoon and the QOP investigating these cities?
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07-18-21 20:29 #3912
Posts: 1068Trump policies still here
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Biden has been able to reverse Trump policies on oil drilling so obviously the oil companies have to raise prices and USA has to start importing expensive oil again from OPEC so Biden has successfully raised gasoline prices to record highs.
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07-18-21 20:24 #3911
Posts: 1068Cheaters
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Trump is correct. Market will tank if Biden raises taxes and puts stupid regulations on business. Fortunately he has done nothing and the market is still churning forward on Trump policies. America is still benefiting from Biden doing nothing and hopefully he continues.
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07-18-21 20:18 #3910
Posts: 1068Entirely normal
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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07-18-21 16:26 #3909
Posts: 1604In 6 months, revisited
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
In 6 months, everybody in the world (except trump voters) no longer wake up to wondering what the orange fruitcake rage tweeted overnight.
In 6 months, nobody has had to worry about what the president* lied about yesterday.
In 6 months, rethuglicans have gone from crazy to the lunatic fringe.
In 6 months, I have begun to love the taste of trumper tears.
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07-18-21 16:07 #3908
Posts: 1680Here ya go
Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
"Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots. " Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.
Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline — with the votes of in-person early voters. "
https://countryhighlights.com/us-new...74000-ballots/
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07-18-21 15:02 #3907
Posts: 5452"Divisive" but she got more votes than all but 1 Dem and all Repubs before her?
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Phony Repub "outrage" and pro Repub mainstream media will always figure out a way to keep the horse race so close even the Dem getting MILLIONS more votes than all but one Dem and every Repub before her could lose to a loon like Trump just as the nominees above lost to a proven numbskull and disaster like G.W. Bush.
There is no way any of those contests could have been won by the Repub without mainstream media making herculean efforts to "Bothsides" the Dem down and the Repub up and in one case to practically read Putin's script against the Dem and for the Repub word for word.
Hell, she even got more individually cast primary votes than the only presidential nominee in history who got more votes than she got in the general election up until then. Obama got the nomination in 2008 only because the Super Delegates carried him over the finish line at the end, not because he won more individual primary votes than Clinton.
America did not suffer the plague of Donald J. Trump because Hillary Clinton was a bad nominee. Don't blame that mess on her or the DNC that nominated her. So-called "president Trump" was not Hillary Clinton's fault. Blame it on the idiot voters who allowed themselves to be bamboozled into it by Putin, (R)Comey and the media that loves to keep the race close even though there is no way on god's green earth it ever ought to be.
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07-18-21 13:06 #3906
Posts: 1068In just 6 months
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Russia and China and socialists are toasting his 2020 victory as USA weakens.
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07-18-21 12:06 #3905
Posts: 1604168,000 ballots?
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
Here's the reality, taken from the Detroit News:
"TRUMP: "168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)".
The facts: All of that is false. The ballots were not unofficial or printed on illegal paper, and even Logan never alleged they were fraudulent.
Logan pointed to ballots with the printing slightly offset between the front and back. He claimed this could cause votes to be counted for the wrong candidate if ink from one side bleeds through to another. He said the alignment issues were mostly from polling-place ballots, which are printed onsite, and said about 168,000 ballots were cast that way. The overwhelming majority of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail."
But wait, there's more!
In fact, this source debunks everything you have previously said, anything you are saying now and, probably, everything you will say in the future about the Arizona election.
P.S. Is the market UP or down since the orange buffoon was kicked to the curb? Remember that he told everybody that Biden would tank the market! Guess he was as wrong about that as he was about Arizona, huh?
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07-18-21 05:45 #3904
Posts: 1956I agree.
Originally Posted by TyDown [View Original Post]
In just 4 years he's turned America in a country where a formerly mainstream political party has been overtaken by ultra-right extremists, and where unscrupulous political hacks don't feel the need to even hide their shamelessness anymore, while they're dismantling our democracy.
He didn't start this process of course, that honor belongs to another lump of human trash, Newt Gingrich.
But he's done more to achieve this transformation than anyone before him.
Putin's henchmen had all the reasons to toast his victory in 2016, and there're even more reasons now. Congrats to us all.
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07-18-21 05:09 #3903
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by TyDown [View Original Post]
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07-18-21 05:01 #3902
Posts: 287Originally Posted by TyDown [View Original Post]
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07-18-21 04:40 #3901
Posts: 503Trump won
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