American Politics

[Mursenary]

So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

It's not ideal but sometimes the choice is the lesser of 2 evils. While I generally support conservative policies, logistics matter and the Trump administration did a poor job of execution and follow through. Most of his best policies were ones any Republican president would have supported. But good ideas are worthless with poor execution.

On the flip, his worst policies are really, really bad and at best, short sighted (fossil fuels over renewable energy). He's too impulsive and only sees what's immediately in front of him, incapable of controlling primal instincts to strategically think 2 steps ahead. His international policies alienated every major powerful ally and one more term would have guaranteed that America would be left on an island with only 2nd rate economic allies that just relied on American exploitation of weak nations. Look at the band of misfit nations that remained allied with us. Turkey? Brasil? A bunch of South American nations? We only retained them because they had few other options. Meanwhile, China controls the Pacific, owns African infrastructure, and are diligently making headway in our own backyard propping up failing South American nations.

It's not 1960 anymore where America was the sole capitalist superpower. America now needs the world more than the world needs America. Europe knows this and is working to free themselves of American influence directly due to Trump's erratic and predictably unpredictable policies.

Don't let the disgusting odor of liberal identity politics cloud your judgement. A thriving America geared towards growth needs a healthy blend of self reliance, making use of our own natural resources, and free market innovation while strategically deploying social / socialist policies and embracing some the the inevitable trend towards globalism. We can't just isolate ourselves and exploit weaker nations. We have to play the game or else see our rivals unite and leave us behind.

Can't win the game if you don't play the game.

[Mursenary]

I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.

That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.

[PVMonger]

I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?

So what? Your typically inane response has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your original statement that Democrats Encouraged BLM to riot and destroy things.

Show me evidence. Show me the same type of evidence against the Democrats that they are using against Trump.

I'll wait.

[ShooBree]

If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.

Haha, here you are with your tinfoil hat, it's almost as you never heard of COVID-19. But sure, let's blame the republicans for the coronavirus.

I'm sure that the Republicans are aware that they have nothing to gain from more immigration and affirmative action.

[Detwing1]

I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.

If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.

[EihTooms]

What is really obvious is you only condone violence from the right. Biden is doing nothing to stop the left BLM and Antifa from destroying property, looting and physical violence. Does this mean Biden should be impeached because he is allowing it? Are you liberals proud of yourself for your beliefs that defunding the police, open borders, abolish ice, transgender men or women in children bathrooms. Is this really the values of Americans who care for their country? Who care to keep children safe? Do you really believe that we should allow millions of people to come into our country and take jobs away from our citizens? Our kids? Our friends? Why do you hate the American way of life? Do you really think your parents would be proud of your thinking? Do you really believe that your parents and grandparents were all racist and their history should be abolished? Why are you still living in such a horrible country that needs all these changes. Do you really believe that this will make America better? If you are proud of this it pretty much sums up who you are.

I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.

[GDreams]

You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

Exactly what policies had a positive impact?

His great gains in unemployment were at the cost of adding $500 b to the annual deficit. Even then he only achieved one year of +3% GDP growth. The rest of the time it has been low 2's or less which Trump said of Obama achieving similar the Obama was a failure even though he shronk the deficit by 600 b a year rather than expand it. So by Trumps own criteria he failed.

Current account deficit grew significantly under Trump because of his nonsense trade wars. Fail.

Environmental policy. Fail.

Health policy. Fail.

Foreign policy. Fail.

Domestic policy. Fail. People are more partisan and divided than ever.

Immigration. I would call it a fail but others would disagree. The reality is the border wall he wanted he could of had but would not accept DACA so instead most construction has gone on replacing existing barriers. Pretty much a waste of time anyway as most illegals are visa overstays and smuggling is done through the border crossings. Much of the rest is debatable. It is more about the processes employed than the outcomes.

As Trump was incapable of working with democrats most of what he did was by executive orders. Most of these will be over-ridden by Biden in the next month.

So basically 4 years of manbaby tantrums to achieve no lasting benefit.

[ScatManDoo]

So voting liberal is the solution?

Always has been Gene.

Don't let Trump steal your future votes.

[Detwing1]

Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

Didn't sweat it for a second.

It is what it is.

[Spidy]

"Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized."

https://apnews.com/article/ex-milita...1edead5badc257

With the FBI, doing a deep dive, no doubt more evidence will come to light, with regards to the Jan. 6 insurrection, being a pre-meditated and coordinated plan of attack, on the Capitol.

The herrings will bring to light and uncover how "Agent Orange", maybe involved.

[GeneHickman]

Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.

So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

[GeneHickman]

Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.

You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

[Spidy]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

[Spidy]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...nt-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/polit...sis/index.html

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

"Agent Orange", will be facing lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct, including rape; criminal investigations by both state and federal prosecutors in New York; a Senate impeachment trial that could bar him from holding federal office again; and potentially both civil and criminal exposure for his weekslong efforts to spark chaos at the USA Capitol in order to prevent Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election. The ONLY US president to be impeached twice. What a legacy of FAILURES!

"Agent Orange", makes Al Gore, looks like a choir boy.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK....kkkkkkkkkk!

[Canada]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

I agree with you. There are obviously several mentally incompetent democrat (socialists) here. We should not take them seriously and arguing with mentally incompetent individuals is doing none of us any good.