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09-22-23 05:17 #13124
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Zero.
If anything, leading a company in ways to make its owners and shareholders wealthier is the exact opposite of what it takes to produce Great Recoveries, Great Economic Expansions and Historic Job Gains in a national economy.
Romney as Job Creator Clashes with Bain Record of Job Cuts
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rd-of-job-cuts
Perplexing, isn't it? No, not really.
LOL. Yeah, Trump figured out ways to blow all of his daddy's money and flush all the money anyone was stupid enough to entrust with him down the shitter, stiff all of his creditors, contractors and still managed to buy himself a gold toilet. Surely, he could do the same thing for all those dumb Repub hillbillies sending him major chunks of their entitlement checks. LOL.
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09-22-23 05:01 #13123
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
But nowhere did it mention they considered all of those cable networks "cable news networks". NBC was apparently brought into it simply because it would be rather improbable for MSNBC to contradict what had been reported as news on NBC's hard news programming.
And MSNBC repeats that news often, prefaces their "pundit and hosts" programming on it. Fux News Channel does not preface anything that must mirror the hard news reported on their parent company's hard news programming because there isn't any.
Rachel Maddow routinely restates the news and facts as a preface for the discussion that will follow with her guests who are key players on the issue and then always asks them on air if she got it right or did she miss anything important. Virtually every time they assure her she got it right. Then the discussion begins.
Now, if the slam on MSNBC is they don't have the Repub side of the "is it raining outside" issue, the side thar swears it is bone dry outside in the middle of a cloud burst, on their shows as often as they should in order to provide that infamous pro-Repub Fair and Balanced Bothsiderism to the discussion, rest assured Maddow and the others announce, on air, that the Repub Liar or Liars were repeatedly contacted and invited to join in on the discussion and declined or did not reply at all.
Similar to most beloved classic Repub Party icon Trump hiding in a Men's Room stall rather than show up for a Global Economic Summit meeting, a debate with Joe Biden or a debate against other classic Repub Party loons.
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09-22-23 04:37 #13122
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Romney's showed himself to be an extraordinary executive who produced great economic results, particularly in the private sector but also as a fiscally-responsible governor of Massachusetts who introduced near-universal health care. If our political and bureaucratic class were consistently as able and wise as Romney, then over many years the USA would do very well. If he were a Democrat you'd agree with me.
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09-22-23 04:32 #13121
Posts: 2579Ok Capt Obvio
Show me a leftist that doesn't hate whitey.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...endi-a-racist/
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09-22-23 04:28 #13120
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
I must be clairvoyant to know that the Politifact article lumped NBC and MSNBC together without even reading the article! Hmm, I wonder how I can put that superpower to use. There must be a way to make a killing in the market and pick up women.
I do not see where Politifact is just looking at cable networks. In fact, they explicitly say they looked at all five networks, including CBS, although not as carefully as the rest.
MSNBC is a great place to catch up on Trump's wild and crazy goings on, because that's all they cover. That's why I watch it. You had a point, with respect to MSNBC at least, when you said the press devotes a lot more time to Trump than Biden. Trump sells commercioals!
Fox, more so than MSNBC, does present news not supporting a political agenda, more so during the day. Now yes, some is of the tabloid and "feel good" variety, but it's still not political.
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09-22-23 03:34 #13119
Posts: 2579Si Senor and water is wet
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09-22-23 01:40 #13118
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-meter-scorec/
If you reread it or, more likely, read it for the first time, I think you will notice for this overview Politifact is only talking about "cable networks". And, more specifically on the issue, it is about what "pundits and hosts" say on the various networks.
It is not about what is asserted as "news" on the various networks.
Although CNN (Cable News Network), Fux News Channel and NBC do have supposedly hard news reporting segments and programs, only Fux News Channel highlights and features the actual word "NEWS" on screen throughout the entirety of its now proven festival of Right Wing lies fully encouraged and promoted by the owner and management of the organization. In other words, EVERYTHING the "pundits and hosts" say is asserted and pawned off as hard news and not mere Right Wing lies and opinion.
MSNBC does not.
The hard news segments on MSNBC necessarily mirror the national news as reported on the hard news segments of its parent, NBC.
There is no national news hour, half hour or even 15 minutes on Fux News Channel's parent company. Therefore, there is no pressure on Fux News Channel to worry about totally contradicting what is reported as hard news on their non existant, say, "Fux Evening News Hour" while their "pundits and hosts" try to pass off their Right Wing lies as "news" 24/7/365 and 366 in Leap Years.
By design from the very beginning of it.
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09-22-23 01:07 #13117
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
As bold and challenging as they and their pro-Repub Bothsider support system in Mainstream Media might think of such a lofty goal, based on what possible evidence and historical precedence have you come to such a ridiculous conclusion?
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09-21-23 19:23 #13116
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 19:18 #13115
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
"In March, a Pew Research Center study -- yes, Pew -- found that 85 percent of MSNBC's programming is dedicated to "opinion," versus 15 percent that is dedicated to "news. " Fox News dedicated just 55 percent of its programming to "opinion" and 45 percent to "news. " (CNN dedicates 46 percent to "opinion" and 54 percent to "news. ") During the 2012 election, the ratio of unfavorable to favorable treatment in stories on Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on MSNBC "was roughly 23-to-1; the negative-to-positive ratio on Fox News was 8-to-1. ".
"Ok, fine. But MSNBC's opinions are rooted in fact, whereas the Bill O'Reillys and Sean Hannitys willingly peddle misinformation!
But see, that's the thing. Many of MSNBC's opinions aren't rooted in fact. Many of them are rooted in unfounded speculation. Melissa Harris-Perry's recent claim that Obamacare is a racially loaded term conceived of "by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man" is based on. What? The fact that the term was first used by a woman? The fact that, from Reaganomics to Hillarycare, we've always ascribed names to signature policies and legislation?
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In a new essay for The National Review, Charles see. W. Cooke explains how MSNBC routinely demonizes the opposition to the point of absurdity...."
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media...ox-news-179175
Now, admittedly, as Tooms effectively pointed out, the gap in the level of propaganda on Fox versus MSNBC narrowed somewhat after Fox learned its viewers wanted favorable coverage on Trump. But it's still there. Look at the hosts. On MSNBC, the only one who's halfway objective is Chris Jansing. John Roberts, Neil Cavuto, Bret Baier and Dana Perino fall into the same category as Jansing -- partisan but reasonably objective. And look at the hosts who have moved on in recent years. Chris Wallace is a Democrat. Shepard Smith is probably is probably a gay Democrat. On the MSNBC side, Chuck Todd was reasonably objective but certainly left leaning.
Newsmax and OAN arose because they thought there was a niche to the right of Fox. Nobody's going to find a niche to the left of MSNBC, because practically you can't go farther left. Thankfully, there's no market for a Socialist or Communist channel in the USA.
Of course, this makes no difference to partisan Democrats, because, like Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, they believe their side has a monopoly on the truth and the rest of the world are infidels. Therefore MSNBC tells the truth and Fox lies.
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09-21-23 09:49 #13114
Posts: 1110CNN...Next?
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Pity a more up-to-date chart/survey isn't available, as I would imagine it would look a lot different with CNN now that the right-wing billionaire, Malone, looks to revamp CNN into a "FOX News" dumpster fire, as staff members fear.
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09-21-23 08:20 #13113
Posts: 1110So you like being LIED to? How about a Conspiracy?
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Ray Epps, Target of Conspiracy Theory, Pleads Guilty to Jan. 6 ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/u...ds-guilty.html
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Looks like you maybe onto something, with his FOXY News lawsuit, I hope it helps...but I'm still not certain about that.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 08:09 #13112
Posts: 1110Just the FACTS ma'am...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
As of for the truth...well that's pretty much in the eye of the beholder, for the most part. Now this concept my seem forigen to you and QAnon/MAGA Repubs cult fringe, but incontrovertible FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE, is definitely something I can hang my hat on.
When Did Republicans Start Hating Facts?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/o...formation.html
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 07:58 #13111
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
I assume Marquis hates him for having half the guts to vote to convict his lord and savior in the Senate for at least one of his blatantly obvious Impeachment-worthy infractions; his clumsy, fully witnessed attempt to extort Zelenskyy into fabricating dirt on Biden with our tax dollars specifically earmarked by Congress to defend his country from Putin's idiotic invasion.
I don't hate MittWitt. I only dismiss him as just another Know Nothing Repub who clearly doesn't know anything about how to recover, expand and create jobs in a complex national economy like the USA economy. But, like all Repubs, he thinks he knows better than the least successful Dem in that regard for how to do it. Which he does not, of course.
Interesting that Marquis often implores me to use drugs in order to see things his way and now he wants you to stop using drugs to achieve the same result.
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09-20-23 22:57 #13110
Posts: 2579Put the weed down bro LOL
"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.
Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.
Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.
You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.
That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.
Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor."
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...o-fifth-place/