American Politics

**PVMonger** · 12-12-20 14:23

Originally Posted by Beans5 [View Original Post]

Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.

Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.

**Run Mann** · 12-12-20 02:51

Trump, according to Der Spiegel, one of Europe's biggest news magazines. Trump's presidency ends as it began: Without decency and without dignity," Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year. To add insult to injury, hours ago the Supreme Court denied a bid by Texas / Trump to overturn 2020 election, this was likely his last challenge. Do not despair MAGA lovers, wait for the show in 2024 in the republican primaries, Trump versus Pence and the rest of the field, and the winner will be?

https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...e-time-2020-12

**Beans5** · 12-12-20 00:01

Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]

Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".

Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.

**PVMonger** · 12-11-20 15:15

Originally Posted by Drbombay [View Original Post]

Trump bans flights from China and automatically he's labeled a xenophobe, racist, etc.

Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".

**ScatManDoo** · 12-10-20 21:49

Originally Posted by Drbombay [View Original Post]

So tell me what other country has been doing better?

In Groucho style:

There's Bhutan and Tajitstan, Hyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan.

There's Mongolia and Somalia, Australia and Dominica.

Also Bolivia and Vanuata, Samoa and Cambodia.

Don't forget Bhutan and New Zealand, Oman and Vietnam.

Now Chico:

There's Tajitistan and Iceland, Thailand and the Marshall Islands.

Kyrgystan and Bahama, Tajitstan and Uzbekistan.

Just to name some of the countries that have performed much better, do to competent leadership.

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

**Artisttyp** · 12-10-20 20:31

Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]

AMERICANS performed like shit. People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.

Trump definitely could have done better but I seriously doubt Old Man Biden will succeed either. There is no one leader that gets us out of this, EVERYBODY has a role to play and if you aren't playing that role correctly YOU are part of the problem.

Unfortunately America has self destructed. Red / Blue doesn't matter American Culture pissed on itself and everyone else around them.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/here-a...xt-six-months/

**ScatManDoo** · 12-10-20 19:42

Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]

AMERICANS performed like shit.

Amen.

Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]

People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.

I always saw far more stupid rednecks following the Orange Guy's idiotic calls to fight against health measures.

Trump ideology leading the dense and obstinate.

**Artisttyp** · 12-10-20 19:21

AMERICANS performed like shit. People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.

Trump definitely could have done better but I seriously doubt Old Man Biden will succeed either. There is no one leader that gets us out of this, EVERYBODY has a role to play and if you aren't playing that role correctly YOU are part of the problem.

Unfortunately America has self destructed. Red / Blue doesn't matter American Culture pissed on itself and everyone else around them.

**Drbombay** · 12-10-20 17:30

Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]

I think we should compare Trump's US performance compared to the performance of how many other successful countries handled Covid.

We might have had close to half as many deaths.

Trump performed like shit, and you know it.

So tell me what other country has been doing better? You want to say NZ? Well ok, but remember, they shut down their country completely to outsiders as well as AUS. Trump bans flights from China and automatically he's labeled a xenophobe, racist, etc. We can't even close our Southern border without some people having the case of the Vapors and falling out on the reclining couch.

UK and the rest of Europe? Maybe Sweden but again they did stuff that would make many in the US clutch their pearls and hit the fainting couch again by not imposing mandatory lockdowns and making sure that those who were most vulnerable were somewhat protected.

Heck I'm in Japan now, and my wife will tell you the actions the USA has made compared to her own country are way better. Here they are not getting the full truth and folks know it but still just plod along. Trains are back to full capacity, their so called stimulus checks took way to long to get out, and they recently had a "Go To" campaign where if one traveled domestically to hotels and spas and other tourist attractions, you would get deep discounts and coupons that you could use in the stores to get furher discounts. It did work somewhat in getting folks to get back out and make up for some of the missing Chinese tourists, and resort spas and onsens are long waiting lists. But, the cases here are creeping back up and folks are now saying maybe it wasn't such a great idea.

The mask mandate wasn't really an issue here, since even in normal times in the summer you would often see Japanese walking around in masks.

**ScatManDoo** · 12-10-20 06:46

Originally Posted by Drbombay [View Original Post]

You have to admit, the pressure put on by the Trump Admin to get us this far in the vaccine phase is impressive.

I think we should compare Trump's US performance compared to the performance of how many other successful countries handled Covid.

We might have had close to half as many deaths.

Trump performed like shit, and you know it.

**Drbombay** · 12-10-20 05:45

Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]

And the asshole, as usual, doesn't give a fuck.

Treasonist fuckup.

No it will not. Biden's folks can't do anything until after Jan 20,2021. For a guy who says he's going to hit the ground running, his team should be planning on what they will be doing well before they get there. Also having worked in government for a few years, you just can't "turn" things around that quick unless you really want to. Take Trump's plan for a wall. He came in, guns ablazing ready to do it how they do things in the business well, if you don't perform you don't get paid and fired (at least how they used to do things). So you had many folks who were jut in the bureaucracy who weren't used to doing things that way and what did you get, slow downs, needles implementation of sometimes duplicate regulations and in effect a slow moving process. So if Biden and his team think that they are now going to be able to just walk in and change things overnight either Trump was right about a Deep State slowing him down, or Biden's team are not going to be any different from what we have seen in the past, make a big noise, have a press conference and then things settle down to their normal slow speed.

You have to admit, the pressure put on by the Trump Admin to get us this far in the vaccine phase is impressive, as well as the plans to get it distributed, but if Biden were smart, his team would come in, say let's keep it going and adjust as necessary. IMO.

**ScatManDoo** · 12-10-20 04:55

United States sets a new global record for Covid as we exceed 3,000 deaths in one day for the first time.

Donald Trump was right about one of his campaign promises five years ago.

We are all fucking tired of his style of winning.

**Golfinho** · 12-09-20 21:57

The Republican strategy of disenfranchising citizens off the voter rolls in advance of the election got trumped by the Democrat's strategy of having them vote anyway, before, during and after election day. Of course there's fraud: it's built into the system.