American Politics

[Spidy]

Has the long term Fux Fake News Liar problem gotten worse lately? Yes, much worse.

But the pattern in any Google Search I have made on the topic puts Fux News clearly in the lead among Fake News Liars, MSNBC far behind in 2nd Place and CNN the least Fake News Liar of those three:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-meter-scorec/ ...

FOXY News, being the worst is just so inescapably obvious, it's just dumbfounding how it's viewers can't see it.

Analysis: Fox News has been exposed as a dishonest organization terrified of its own audience. February 17, 2023

"... the networks senior-most executives and highest-profile hosts chose not to disclose what they believed to be the truth of the election out of fear that that the facts would alienate Fox News audience and throw the highly profitable business into ruin. "

Yep, that explains it!

Pity a more up-to-date chart/survey isn't available, as I would imagine it would look a lot different with CNN now that the right-wing billionaire, Malone, looks to revamp CNN into a "FOX News" dumpster fire, as staff members fear.

[Spidy]

I collectively watch more MSNBC and CNN than Fox. All three lie to me. MSNBC lies the most, 24 hours a day, every day. However, during the evenings Fox does a pretty

good job of matching them, lie for lie. And no, I don't mind it. It's hilarious!

Well you're right about one thing, FOXY News is hilarious ...(kkkk!). And it really comes as no surprise that you like being lied to...carry on!

Ray Epps, Target of Conspiracy Theory, Pleads Guilty to Jan. 6 ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/u...ds-guilty.html

...It's somewhat reminiscent of Ray Epp's situation. Epps was a strong supporter of Trump, and a regional leader of the Oath Keepers. Because of a false conspiracy theory spread by Revolver and Tucker Carlson, that he was some kind of federal agent, he had to sell his business and house in Arizona and go into semi hiding somewhere in the Rockies. Epps says the government is going to soon charge him for encouraging people to peacefully trespass on Capitol grounds on January 6. That may actually help him. Maybe it will cause his potential persecutors to realize he wasnt a government agent. ...

Now things are getting interesting. Your dude, Ray Epps, just got charged by the DOJ and plead guilty to conspiracy...Yikes!

Looks like you maybe onto something, with his FOXY News lawsuit, I hope it helps...but I'm still not certain about that.

...If there ever was a case where a more apropos saying of, "He that lies/sleeps with dogs, riseth with fleas", I'd have to say, Ray Epp's case is a classic example. Good luck to him and his FOXY News lawsuit. ...

In Ray Epps, words: " ...I went to the J6 protest, believing FOX News. I believed FOX news...that is until they LIED ABOUT ME"

[Spidy]

Anything you don't like is Fox News. That was actually Matt Taibbi doing something you don't recognize Spidy, telling the truth.

Don't know who the guy is?

As of for the truth...well that's pretty much in the eye of the beholder, for the most part. Now this concept my seem forigen to you and QAnon/MAGA Repubs cult fringe, but incontrovertible FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE, is definitely something I can hang my hat on.

When Did Republicans Start Hating Facts?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/o...formation.html

And by lies, you mean what? You mean Joe Biden did not get Shokin fired? You mean Shokin was not investigating Hunter for a corrupt business deal? You mean Hunter did not say in his laptop that Dad gets half of all he earns? You mean the FBI did not want that 1023 non-classified document released? You mean the memo did not say $5 million for each Biden? And Hunter Biden did not himself say that he would not have been hired by Burisma if not for his last name?

Life's too short! Like I said, I tend not to pay too much attention to hearsay, lies and conspiracy theories. Perhaps when hard facts, material evidence and "flesh and blood" witnesses show up to testify I'll pay more attention.

[EihTooms]

Brother Marquis and Brother Tooms, I'm glad I've brought you together and healed the hatred and loathing in your hearts. OK, "hatred and loathing" is much too strong. But see, you're united in your opinion of Mitt Romney! While I disagree with you about Mitt, I hope some day in some faraway place we can join hands and sing Kumbaya!

I don't think we are exactly united in our negative opinion of MittWitt. Also, we have formed a negative one of him for different reasons.

I assume Marquis hates him for having half the guts to vote to convict his lord and savior in the Senate for at least one of his blatantly obvious Impeachment-worthy infractions; his clumsy, fully witnessed attempt to extort Zelenskyy into fabricating dirt on Biden with our tax dollars specifically earmarked by Congress to defend his country from Putin's idiotic invasion.

I don't hate MittWitt. I only dismiss him as just another Know Nothing Repub who clearly doesn't know anything about how to recover, expand and create jobs in a complex national economy like the USA economy. But, like all Repubs, he thinks he knows better than the least successful Dem in that regard for how to do it. Which he does not, of course.

Interesting that Marquis often implores me to use drugs in order to see things his way and now he wants you to stop using drugs to achieve the same result.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...o-fifth-place/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Mormons don't pray to Donald Trump. They pray to God and golden plates. And they call the devil "Satan", not "Mitt Romney."

But they should, I do and I'm an ardent atheist!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...rican-history/

There is but one true god.

Donald J Trump.

[Tiny 12]

Brother Marquis and Brother Tooms, I'm glad I've brought you together and healed the hatred and loathing in your hearts. OK, "hatred and loathing" is much too strong. But see, you're united in your opinion of Mitt Romney! While I disagree with you about Mitt, I hope some day in some faraway place we can join hands and sing Kumbaya!

[Tiny 12]

Or is it another, "Google (or Politifact or all available evidence, etc) is Left Leaning and the Repub Party memo demands that I say it can not be trusted so I will stick with that notion as my excuse for not substantiating what I just pulled out of my butt" response?

I am not a Democratic Party Politician or Pundit. The only things I pull out of my ass are dingleberries.

[Tiny 12]

Flake is no hero hes a turd if he had an ounce of honor he and Romney would both kill themselves for bringing such shame to the Church.

Mormons don't pray to Donald Trump. They pray to God and golden plates. And they call the devil "Satan", not "Mitt Romney."

[MarquisdeSade1]

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ge-and-gaffes/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"So, as opposed to links describing or showing Biden lying, and there are many, I'm supposed to find links of a major televised campaign speech where Biden says something about someone who won't run against him. That should be easy but it's pointless. And find where he says we might begin World War II. OK, he is kind of senile, but I think he knows World War II happened a long time ago.

Unusually, your post isn't comprehensible, to me at least, so I don't understand what you're getting at. But I suspect you're trying to do the three card monte deal. Like where we're supposed to totally ignore every Republican state with a large population and every Democratic state with a small population and then say the country is a an oligarchy ruled by the landed class. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...f-ukraine-war/

[EihTooms]

That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor.

Back to the post I meant to submit earlier.

In 2012, MittWitt pledged his brilliant Repub policies and stewardship would lower the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of his first term:

Romney Doubles Down on Vow of 6% Unemployment.
May 23, 2012

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment

Obama's policies got it there in half the time. All while every idiot Repub in the country was screaming that THIS Great Dem Economic Recovery from GW Bush's Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction was "the slowest" Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of any Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction before it. Oh boo hoo.

Nevermind that inconvenient detail about Moscow Mitch demanding all of his fellow Repubs in Congress vow on Obama's inauguration night not to lift so much as a pinkie finger to help Obama and the Dems pull us out of that historic Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction they created so as to make him a one term president.

In fact, Moscow Mitch openly pledged to "slow walk" any and all classic tried and true Great Dem Economic Recovery legislation he and his fellow Senate / Congressional Repubs could not totally thwart, obstruct and kill from the get-go. And so they did, keeping as many Americans suffering from the millions upon millions of jobs wiped out by their typically horrific Repub policies and stewardship for as long as their obstruction and "slow walking" of a Great Dem Economic Recovery could produce.

Mitt Romney promised he'd cut unemployment to 6% in one term. It's already down to 5%.
Dec. 4, 2015

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/9/7522563...ment-promise-6

President Obama Has Cut the Unemployment Rate More Than Any President since FDR.
Jan. 6, 2017

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/p...ent-since-fdr/

Repubs don't know shit about the economy. None of them.

Never did. Never will.

The absolute worst economic results from the policies and stewardship of any president ever have all been from Repub presidents' policies and stewardship; Hoover's, GW Bush's and Trump's being at the top of The Worst of All Time List. By stark contrast, the Best Economic Recoveries, Jobs Creation and Economic Results have all been produced by Dem Economic Policies and Stewardship; FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden, the Dem list of Best Ever just goes on and on.

[EihTooms]

That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor.

In 2012, MittWitt boldly pledged that his brilliant Repub policies would reduce the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of his first presidential term:

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment

[EihTooms]

Rather than contribute to, change or meaningfully subtract from the Clinton / Dem policies that produced the historic recovery, jobs creation, economic expansion and budget surpluses of the Clinton years, even slavishly loyal longtime Repub Menace to America Moscow Mitch could not help noticing iconic Repub former Speaker of the House Nude Grinbitch's government shutdowns accomplished nothing but bad news for his beloved Repub Party.

Which, hilariously, Moscow Mitch sees as "critically important for the American people" to avoid. Those who love Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Skyrocketing Repub Deficits with nothing to show for it and all those other wonderful things the USA gets when politically and electorally good things happen for Repubs, that is.

Yeah, it would have been a refreshing change if that classic old Repub had at least mentioned in passing that those Repub government shutdowns are also generally bad / losers for America, the American people, USA jobs, the USA economy, the Great Repub Deficits, etc etc etc.

But considering none of those things are top, middle or bottom of mind for a Repub and his Party's only concern, ever, is for its political and election prospects, I suppose that is not a reasonable expectation.

McConnell warns that shutdowns have 'always been a loser for Republicans'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ose-rcna105885

"Ive seen a few of them over the years. They never have produced a policy change and they've always been a loser for Republicans politically," he said.

[EihTooms]

"In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia's George Mason, the "grand depository of the democratic principle of government. " To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate. ".

https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations.htm

Many aspects of the constitution was a compromise in order to get it adopted. 3/5 of a person clause comes to mind.

https://www.theusconstitution.org/ne...hs-compromise/

From your first link:

The Constitution granted state legislatures the power to elect United States senators. Supporters of the Constitution argued that this method of election would strengthen the states' ties to the national government and insulate senators from shifting public opinion. To further distance the Senate from democratic pressures, the framers also provided that only one-third of the Senate would stand for election every two years.

Ah yes, those pesky public opinions and democratic pressures.. Must reduce the influence of that at all costs.

Why, if it got out of hand the next thing you know those 3/5th voters might find themselves with a full 5/5th of a vote. And that will require a slew of other Southern Straregies and Shenanigans to MAGA like it was in those sorely missed 3/5th days.