American Politics

[Sinofaguo]

If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.

To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS!

I'm all in for practicing it then. Lets see how it goes from this post.

[Member #4698]

I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.

But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle

If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.

To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS! LEAVE THE ISG ALONE.

[Run Mann]

The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.

The right wing has its share of nuts too which is why allowing political talk on a site like this will result in the inevitable conclusion. If you want to talk politics there are many places to go and do so and no one is going to change anyone's mind about politics anyway. We can't even agree on how much to pay a WG.

[Sinofaguo]

I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.

I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.

But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle

[Sinofaguo]

Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision?

Weird, I was reading below Trump was a foreign policy genius, and now you are saying he got played like a moron by China.

As much as China tried to hide things from end December to 20th of January, why didn't the Trump administration understand that if China put 50 million people in mandatory lockdown from 22th of January to begining of april and 1. 3 billion people in semi mandatory lockdown from 25th of January to mid / end of February, it was for a reason? why several other asian countries adopted strick measures too?

President's intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...101_story.html

How about the diamond princess? 700 sick people within a few days on the boat and half a dozen dead so pretty much the same death ratio we're seing nowdays. And Trump was still minimizing the situation, refusing to test the american people against covid. Calling the sickness a hoax.

Only a few hundred tests had been done in the US while Italy had done thousands and South Korea tens of thousands.

TESTS (or the decision from the administration NOT TO PERFORM TESTS) that's where the "FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO", to quote you, comes from. He refused to test and therefore didn't find the ten of thousand sicks people already there in america.

How about his support on twitter to people against the lockdown measures states took? How about the "lets get contaminated together parties" that came out of it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...tion-by-trump/

[Member #4698]

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...-talking-about!&p=2452662#post2452662.

I thought political posts were a no go on ISG. Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.

Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.

The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.

As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.

[The Cane]

I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.

But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.

In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.

Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?

Too funny! Using his own words against him LOL!

[Banana Boi]

I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.

Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.

Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.

[Rodwint2]

Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.

How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".

You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:

But while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?

Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).

Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.

If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.

Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).

Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision? Look at the entire world before just focusing in on President Trump. The governments of the entire world were making decisions based on the garbage that the PRC and WHO were handing out in December, January, February, March and April. So blaming Trump is ludicrous. Tell your CCP buddies that the misinformation campaign better be better than what you are peddling.

[Rodwint2]

I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.

My friend's 90 year old father, a WWII veteran and life long Democrat, voted for Hillary in 2016. After seeing what President Trump has done for the United States and the economy before the virus, he decided he was going to vote for Trump instead of Biden. Many elderly have no time for BS and think more clearly than the AOCs of the world!

[Gargano19]

I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.

I was never a supporter of Trump, but I agree, his policies have been way better than I thought they would be. I would love to see him come than seeing Biden as president. I would change my stance if it's someone else than Biden.

Regarding who to blame, I think Trump fucked up the handling of Corona in states. He just didn't listen to the people around him (or maybe he did). But if someone asks, who do I blame for corona and ruining so many people's life, I will say China without second thought. The way China hid the virus in Wuhan (in late November?) and allowed (intentionally?) It to spread was shameless. Because of it the virus spread worldwide and yes Italy / Iran / usa handled it miserably because of which whole world went into voluntarily in lockdown and ruined the economy. I can pick apart Prime ministers, President, kings of several country and their actions (or lack thereof) and how it costed the lives of people, but the situation which we are going to be in (not from p4 p point of view) couple of months is going to be horrific. And I do blame China for it.

[LittleBigMan]

I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.

[Sinofaguo]

Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?

Thats actually the good way of looking at the problem.

Several countries decided to test early or confine early and had some of the greatest results. This includes countries such as Singapore, New Zealand. But even countries like South Korea or Japan whom were challenged at different phases.

The problem with most western countries is that they chose to treat the illness as a severe flu and decided not to confine people early (nor test that much for some of them) but wait for herd immunity to build itself. Since herd immunity requires 60 or 70% of the population to get the illness for it to work, and since hospital capacities are usually reached when 5 to 10% of the population contracts the virus due to the speed of contamination and the amount of people requiring intensive care (some countries have better capacities than others), the strategy of doing nothing and act as usual didn't work and several countries had to give up and enter some form of confinment / lowering outside contact to release the pressure.

Therefore it shows there were different scenarios withvery different outcomes which could be decided by our governments.

Several other governments have held China accountable for some real issues without using it as a smokescreen for their own actions (or lack of). Why are other leaders from occidental countries able to have a more responsible approach about their own acts?
And regarding the US, its not even a republican or democrate thing, there are great people on both sides, but there is clearly an issue with the current administration. I didn't see any other administration than the Trump administration refusing to be accountable for its own decisions and solely playing "the China card" even making the most stupid claims they were not able to backup in any way in the end. How are we supposed to push the chinese towards a more democratic system when the top level of the US administration, "leader of the free world", is caught lying repetedly including about the most stupid things.

In the end, don't fool yourself, we will be the ones accountable for all these people's acts and its its going to hurt much more than the sanitary crisis which started it.

[Sinofaguo]

The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.

Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.

How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".

You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December

You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th

But while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?

Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).

Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.

If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.

Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).

[Rodwint2]

Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).

But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".

When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/u...trictions.html.

The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.

You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December when it went out of its way to "arrest" the whistleblowing doctor who took notice of the outbreak. That doctor later contracted the Wuhan virus and died from it over a month ago. Those are the facts. The CCP is the most responsible for this Wuhan virus breaking out around the world.

The CCP does not care how many Chinese people die, because with 1. 5 billion people, a few million is a small price to pay. The CCP is behind this "attack" because it cannot fight a war with the free world with its feeble PLA. War is just no longer feasible with weapons of mass destruction so easy to kill millions in a matter of a few hours. Throw a new pandemic as a weapon to the developed nations who are not prepared for this type of "warfare" and the CCP is happy to destroy the world economy so long as the PRC becomes the big economic power of the world. The Belt and Road strategy is their road map for world domination. Build a soccer stadium that you can pay back and another third world country is in your pocket. Create a few "islands" and take over a strategic ocean resource. There are 88 million members of the CCP enslaving 1. 5 billion people in the PRC. How long will this last?