American Politics

[Jon32]

The Western world we know with its power and influence will not exist for much longer, this is clearly going to be an Asian world order, in my country we are getting used to this notion, but I think people in Europe and the US will take a while if ever to accept this new reality for the world.

Everyone is going to be asian and muslim in 100 years.

[Australiasucks]

It's not just Spain it's the entire continent. Millions of them are now living in every Euro country. Many Europeans honestly believe they will take over the continent in less than 50 years. The U.N. made the greatest error of its existence when they requested in the early 1980s Euro borders open to refugees from middle east muslim and northeast African countries bringing their barbaric, primitive, religious behavior to western civilization in the midst of prosperity. Now 25 years later almost every Euro country has economic problems because of governmental support to these people through numerous programs while full blood Europeans suffer because of taxes, job lose etc.

As for America, Americans are an impatient breed. They need to realize it took 8 years to economically destroy the country. It will take more than 2, even more than 4 years to correct the mismanagement. Furthermore, wealthy Americans have to accept to pay some more in taxes to correct the previous administrations mistakes of giving them tax breaks. There is no other solution.

You fail to see that both American parties are largely the same, they pretty much do whatever it takes to keep them in power. Bush initiated the bank bailouts and the two wars, although Obama is pulling out of Iraq, he is escalating the one in Afghanistan. He is also creating unprecedented control over American business and industry, the likes which have not been seen since the Soviet Union, GM for example is now a government company, the US fed now has more control over the nations banks as well. America's prosperity was built on free enterprise. What Obama does differently is his rhetoric, he speaks with a reconciliation tone to the world, not that the world really cares what America says these days. Bush destroyed America's soft power in his 8 years with his unilateral actions and with us or against us rhetoric, Obama is going to ruin America from the inside, creating a system that punishes the most productive and ambitious, after that the US will be a has been power, and the way of life that Americans have gotten used to is not going to last for much longer. Its pretty much now a question of when and not if, the NIE report states this decline will occur over the next 20 years, that seems quite right to me.

Europe shot itself, its not that simple just to blame the Muslim migrants, Europe has long had low fertility rates, that led Europeans to increase immigration. Australia, Canada, and the rest of the developed world is doing the same to prevent demographic decline.

The Western world we know with its power and influence will not exist for much longer, this is clearly going to be an Asian world order, in my country we are getting used to this notion, but I think people in Europe and the US will take a while if ever to accept this new reality for the world.

[Westy]

{Open-door immigration} is equally true of Canada, don't know about the US.
Government deliberately opened the floodgates of immigration hoping that the newcomers would fund the pensions and government services of our aging, stagnant population. This instead of fixing the fundamental problem by living within our means.

The other argument was we needed immigrants to grow the population (again - why? why not recalibrate our spending model to make a stable or declining population sustainable?) but the big joke is that most immigrant groups, once they get established here, catch the "causian disease" and experience a decline in birthrate. Maybe muslims are an exception, but many immigrant groups reduce reproduction for the same reasons westerners do.

So government policy (driven by lack of foresight) has dramatically changed the ethnic and cultural composition of many countries without really getting the economic or demographic benefits they banked on.

By now, I'm of the belief that no politician's foresight reaches farther than the next election cycle. The Holy Grail is to get elected, then re-elected and re-elected, usually by providing the "bread and circuses" they believe their constituents demand. Or "need". They "solve" their district's "problems" by throwing lots of money at the targets they perceive ... in many cases, finding a way to benefit from the money they throw; in even more cases, being accused of reaping an unseen, unauthorized, and "unholy" benefit from their policies.

I perceive this as true of Republicans or Democrats; Tories, Labour or Lib Dems; Peronistas or Colorados - in other words, true of any well-established and major party in any country. It's not a "Left" problem or a "Right" problem, it's a power problem. They have the power, they want to use it; they want to leave "their stamp" on the country for years to come. And of course they want to keep their hands on the power!

Trouble is, now Government IS the problem.

Back to immigration - In the early days of the USA, we had a very thin edge of "population" surrounding a huge span of "wilderness". We were anxious to populate our country and had plenty of "room to grow". These were the days of Horace Greeley's "Go West, young man!" But what we got were teeming cities, full of immigrants who stayed on where they washed ashore, settled in enclaves of their own ethnic heritage. Lady Liberty's "Give me your tired, your poor..." was faced off by "No Irish Need Apply."

Since the 1920s, we've had various greater or lesser restrictions on who can come in legally to the USA. We've also had a great influx of what I'll call "informal immigrants" (I'm being Politically Correct) crossing the borders. Billions of people around the world still see the USA as "The Land Of Opportunity," and they will risk their meager fortunes and even their lives to get here.

Immigration policy, immigration reform, "informal immigration" as I called it - there's a continuing fire-fight in Congress and in the State legislatures about these issues. My opinions are rather jaundiced, but I have some delightful friends who "overstayed their visas," worked hard, saved hard, and took a really nice "grubstake" back to their homelands. I've also seen lazy good-for-nothings who came to the USA for the sake of getting government handouts, and who cleared out when the INS came a-sniffing....

AND, best of all, I tip my hat to some of my immigrant friends who cleared in properly, got their USA citizenship, and have done as much or more for their new homeland as the USA has done for them. My colleagues Jorge and Federico, my neighbors the Kanes, the Paks, the Nguyens, etc., etc....

[Gentleman Travel]

Its a lot more complicated than just the UN pushing these countries to spur migration. Most European nations are aging, and one of the ideas they had was to bring in more immigrants, many of these migrants from the Middle East do not want to integrate into mainstream European society and hence you get problems.

This is equally true of Canada, don't know about the US.
Government deliberately opened the floodgates of immigration hoping that the newcomers would fund the pensions and government services of our aging, stagnant population. This instead of fixing the fundamental problem by living within our means.

The other argument was we needed immigrants to grow the population (again - why? why not recalibrate our spending model to make a stable or declining population sustainable?) but the big joke is that most immigrant groups, once they get established here, catch the "causian disease" and experience a decline in birthrate. Maybe muslims are an exception, but many immigrant groups reduce reproduction for the same reasons westerners do.

So government policy (driven by lack of foresight) has dramatically changed the ethnic and cultural composition of many countries without really getting the economic or demographic benefits they banked on.

[Hunts]

Apparently the media has influenced your thought process. Obama wasn't supposed to get past Hillary or Mccain according to the media. People in America aren't as blind as you think, we'll see what happens in 2012. The media needs controversies to attract attention. If they all said Obama was doing good that would be boring.

I agree with your statement about America wanting fast results and being unappreciative. The problem with Obama is he genuinely cares. We are used to politicians who kiss babys, tell us want we want to hear, and then do nothing.

People have forgotten that two years ago we were headed for the next great depression, thats not talked about anymore. Now it's we want jobs, jobs, jobs. After that some other problem will be manufactored for Obama.

China is a global power mainly because of America. We got into exporting good's and away from domestic products.

Never underestimate America's resolve when depreciated. America is at it's best when playing catch up. Our problem is when were out front we don't know how to lead.

I have been to Austrailia and it is a wonderful country, but politically they a minor player.

Thanks for your post.

50 plus months of growth in the former administration.The former administration took over as the bubble burst in the dot coms. Dems have been in control of congress since the 2006 election now add the White House in. The stimulas package, we were promised, would keep unemployment at 8%.

[Australiasucks]

Completely awful. If you know of any causes out there to reverse the process I would happily support it.

Its a lot more complicated than just the UN pushing these countries to spur migration. Most European nations are aging, and one of the ideas they had was to bring in more immigrants, many of these migrants from the Middle East do not want to integrate into mainstream European society and hence you get problems. Europe is getting shitty these days anyway. Australia has quite a few Muslim migrants, the ones who start trouble down under tend to be Lebanese. Indonesians and others are fairly peaceful.

[Jon32]

It's not just Spain it's the entire continent. Millions of them are now living in every Euro country. Many Europeans honestly believe they will take over the continent in less than 50 years. The U.N. made the greatest error of its existence when they requested in the early 1980s Euro borders open to refugees from middle east muslim and northeast African countries bringing their barbaric, primitive, religious behavior to western civilization in the midst of prosperity. Now 25 years later almost every Euro country has economic problems because of governmental support to these people through numerous programs while full blood Europeans suffer because of taxes, job lose etc.

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Completely awful. If you know of any causes out there to reverse the process I would happily support it.

[Australiasucks]

Apparently the media has influenced your thought process. Obama wasn't supposed to get past Hillary or Mccain according to the media. People in America aren't as blind as you think, we'll see what happens in 2012. The media needs controversies to attract attention. If they all said Obama was doing good that would be boring.

I agree with your statement about America wanting fast results and being unappreciative. The problem with Obama is he genuinely cares. We are used to politicians who kiss babys, tell us want we want to hear, and then do nothing.

People have forgotten that two years ago we were headed for the next great depression, thats not talked about anymore. Now it's we want jobs, jobs, jobs. After that some other problem will be manufactored for Obama.

China is a global power mainly because of America. We got into exporting good's and away from domestic products.

Never underestimate America's resolve when depreciated. America is at it's best when playing catch up. Our problem is when were out front we don't know how to lead.

I have been to Austrailia and it is a wonderful country, but politically they a minor player.

Thanks for your post.

That is obviously true, China has turned into a global power largely because it has exported goods to the US for years, but now it can use this to their advantage and to America's disadvantage. In the wake of the financial crisis, the US does not have the kind of manufacturing base that it once had, which created good paying jobs to keep a good and healthy middle class. The reason why fringe movements such as the Tea Party are gaining traction is because middle America has been left out in the cold, meanwhile Wall Street continues on with business, and for the most part Obama is no different than Bush. One thing that made America different from most societies is a large middle class that provided a social stable cushion between the rich and poor, that seems to be slowly going away. Things are still in a state of flux but my surmise is ten years down the road America will not be the country it is right now and not something for the better, the new global system is more and more becoming a nightmare for the American way of life, there is just no way you can compete with the rising Asian giants. America is now on the wrong side of history, this is going to be very difficult for Americans to accept but its more and more the reality with each passing day.

[Helpmann]

Tell you a secret between you and I. Fat ugly chicks have good wet pussies, Just make sure they use the back door and nobody sees her leaving.

I haven't fucked a fat chick in six years and I am NOT going to do that again! Now, it's just "spinners" and "sticks w/ tits."

-Helpmann

[Nyc Expat]

A huge yes to this. I'm in Spain now, and it's awful that the muslims are invading. There is arab stores and restaurants popping up all over the place. If I wanted to live in the middle east I would have moved there, not to Spain. I'm all for stricter immigration laws. Unlike the USA who was built on immigration, this country was built by Spanish not Arabs.

Now, you try to do any of this in their country? Forget it, you'll be dead.

It's not just Spain it's the entire continent. Millions of them are now living in every Euro country. Many Europeans honestly believe they will take over the continent in less than 50 years. The U.N. made the greatest error of its existence when they requested in the early 1980s Euro borders open to refugees from middle east muslim and northeast African countries bringing their barbaric, primitive, religious behavior to western civilization in the midst of prosperity. Now 25 years later almost every Euro country has economic problems because of governmental support to these people through numerous programs while full blood Europeans suffer because of taxes, job lose etc.

As for America, Americans are an impatient breed. They need to realize it took 8 years to economically destroy the country. It will take more than 2, even more than 4 years to correct the mismanagement. Furthermore, wealthy Americans have to accept to pay some more in taxes to correct the previous administrations mistakes of giving them tax breaks. There is no other solution.

[Mr Gogo]

Obama is pretty much gone in 2012, he is finished. It has ditto to do with fear mongering, its a fact that Americans want fast results and Americans do not see any substantial change for the better. Obama is a puppet of Soros and elite globalists, although only few are on to this, Soros bankrolled Obama's election, the right wing is effective in creating an environment of fear towards O's policies, the direction of America is clearly similar to that of the Soviet Union, already whole sectors of private industry are controlled by the government. I am so glad I do not live in America, what a joke. People where I live have already discounted America as a has been power, its China's time to shine, this is the Asian Century not the American one, that ended 10 years ago, get used to it.

Apparently the media has influenced your thought process. Obama wasn't supposed to get past Hillary or Mccain according to the media. People in America aren't as blind as you think, we'll see what happens in 2012. The media needs controversies to attract attention. If they all said Obama was doing good that would be boring.

I agree with your statement about America wanting fast results and being unappreciative. The problem with Obama is he genuinely cares. We are used to politicians who kiss babys, tell us want we want to hear, and then do nothing.

People have forgotten that two years ago we were headed for the next great depression, thats not talked about anymore. Now it's we want jobs, jobs, jobs. After that some other problem will be manufactored for Obama.

China is a global power mainly because of America. We got into exporting good's and away from domestic products.

Never underestimate America's resolve when depreciated. America is at it's best when playing catch up. Our problem is when were out front we don't know how to lead.

I have been to Austrailia and it is a wonderful country, but politically they a minor player.

Thanks for your post.

[Jon32]

It took the Spaniards 700 years to boot the Arabs out. The war of religion is still going on ... and we are loosing it in Europe.
B.B.

A huge yes to this. I'm in Spain now, and it's awful that the muslims are invading. There is arab stores and restaurants popping up all over the place. If I wanted to live in the middle east I would have moved there, not to Spain. I'm all for stricter immigration laws. Unlike the USA who was built on immigration, this country was built by Spanish not Arabs.

Now, you try to do any of this in their country? Forget it, you'll be dead.

[Mr Gogo]

I am not "thrilled" with the idea of a mosque near Ground Zero, but freedom of religion is a Constitutional right. To start denying certain Americans their Constitutional rights is the start down a slippery slope.

BTW, I am not "thrilled" with fat ugly chicks living next to me either, but fat ugly chicks have rights too.

-Helpmann

Tell you a secret between you and I. Fat ugly chicks have good wet pussies, Just make sure they use the back door and nobody sees her leaving.

[Member #2041]

Obama is pretty much gone in 2012, he is finished. It has ditto to do with fear mongering, its a fact that Americans want fast results and Americans do not see any substantial change for the better.

Not at all clear. What's most interesting is the degree to which the extremists on the right are dominating the debate within the Republican party. I agree that if the Republicans were willing to nominate a reasonable centrist for the next Presidential election, they would almost certainly win. But they seem pre-disposed at the moment to really gravitate to their most loony, scary, completely wacked out candidates like Sarah Palin, and that's the sort of of person that will scare the middle of the electorate back to Obama as the only sane option. And it's also true that we have some historical precedent here for Presidents to get a lot done in their first two years, but that scares the electorate into voting for the opposing party's congressional candidates in the mid-term elections. Then, when the opposing party fails to get anything done either, support gravitates back to the President before their election for their 2nd term. It happened with Reagan, and it happened with Clinton. Both of them were every bit as unpopular as Obama 1.5 to 2 years into their Presidencies - and both of them used the mid-term congressional defeats of their party, and the subsequent failure of the other party to accomplish anything in the legislature, to swing back into stronger popularity and to their re-elections.

[Australiasucks]

the previous poster and dj 4 money on another thread has bought up some isues that again are misleading. the national average u.s. unemployment rate is hovering around 9½% although it is higher in some regions f.ex. in fl. around 11-12%. i believe it is even higher in regions with vast minorities around 13-15% but 20% unemployment has never been an issue during the current recesssion 2007 onward.

obama inherited an enormous mismanagement of this country and an already high deficit from 8 years of incompetent republicans who lied to the population to start a war in iraq that should have ended after their dictator was captured. the president can not make miracles in 2 years for the reasons mentioned above. it will take time.

concerning wall st. and other business contributions to politicians, it is a known fact republicans have always been and always will be the highest contributors to candidates for politcial office.

obama has made some unfortunate mistakes most recently concerning building a mosque in the shadows of ground zero. this is a local issue to be decided by new york city. i am also disappointed bloomberg has mentioned the mosque is welcome in that area. wtf are they thinking?

in conclusion, fear mongers need to shut the f--- up. stop their propaganda so persons responsible to lead this nation can work to solve the serious situation and not use their energies to reply to media and political morons who imho are traitors. yes, there is freedom of speech but it's getting ludicrous and unacceptable all the negativity.

obama is pretty much gone in 2012, he is finished. it has ditto to do with fear mongering, its a fact that americans want fast results and americans do not see any substantial change for the better. obama is a puppet of soros and elite globalists, although only few are on to this, soros bankrolled obama's election, the right wing is effective in creating an environment of fear towards o's policies, the direction of america is clearly similar to that of the soviet union, already whole sectors of private industry are controlled by the government. i am so glad i do not live in america, what a joke. people where i live have already discounted america as a has been power, its china's time to shine, this is the asian century not the american one, that ended 10 years ago, get used to it.