American Politics

[Frequent Flier]

Columpuss,

Although I do not keep up with all the data on killings or other violence in the USA or other countries. I do think it is reasonable that the murders, killings or persons going missing and later presumed dead and other violent acts are 99 percent accurately reported in coutries like the USA.

I do not think that in the Philippines or other 3rd world nations there is even a 20% accuracy to how many people are murdered or go missing or have violent acts committed against them.

So I do not think you can really compare the two societies in relation as to which is safer in general.

That said, the PI and other 3rd world countries like the PI are probably, in relation to violent crimes, safer for foreigners. Even in China if a violent crime is committed against a foreigner the local government will go all out to capture and punish all involved. Most countries are all to aware of the importance of the tourist dollar.

FF

[Bart9000]

Patriotism, Nationalism, and protectionism are for hillbillies. They need something to decorate the back windows of their truck's with.

I'm an advocate of incrementally eliminating national borders...things tend to equalize over time.

I work with a lot of Mexicans (all fine individuals) at my little shit restaurant job.....even though they are willing to do a hell of a lot more work for less pay, I am not the least bit concerned about them taking my job, because they (as simple unsophisticated, villagers from a coastal town in southern Mexico) can't perform my function nearly as well as I can.

Call me crazy, but I don't think one world government is such an evil idea......so long as it isn't just a corrupt tool for advancing corporate interests as is our current administration.

b9k

[BH Bound]

I also want to add that when my father came to this country with almost nothing, nobody helped him...not the American government, nobody. He had to start from scratch even though he had a degree from one of the most prestigeous universities in South Korea. He doesn't have to employ Americans and pay decent wages, but he does.

[Doctor_Skank]

CM

"I often wonder why our forefathers are said to have had a "great Protestant work ethic" when we all know that they relied on slave labor from Africa to do the most back-breaking work? Even today, the Mexicans immigrants demonstrate more of a work ethic than the average American, and they are mostly Catholics not Protestants."

I appreciate what you are trying to say, but speaking from personal experience and even though I am Catholic, I know a lot of "normal Joe" WASP (White Angle-Saxon Protestant) Americans working their asses off because they simply believe its the right thing to do and the way "a good American" should conduct himself. Moreover, just as much as America was built on imported foreign labor and slavery, it was also built based on the back-breaking work and sacrifice of our forefathers, whether they be English, German, Swedish, Irish, African, Chinese, Mexican or whatever.

Maybe the mentality is changing among America's population, but I have yet to be in a FIRST WORLD country where the people truly worked harder than the average American does. Germans for example are some of the laziest workers on the planet, but their companies are well-organized and the country's infrastructure runs very well... allowing their workers a degree of laziness less-efficiently run countries cannot afford.

As for the second and third world... sure they work hard, but are generally being exploited by their own "elected" politicians and are victims of their own woefully inefficient infrastructure.... essentially slaves to inefficiency.

I also believe that work ethic is largely fueled by necessity, or do you think those Hispanic road crews and landscapers work that hard because they want to? I am sure the guy on the powered lawn mower isnt about to trade places with the guy pouring tar on the highway on a 95° California afternoon.

[Chocha Monger]

I agree our history past and present are not exactly beyond reproach. I often wonder why our forefathers are said to have had a "great Protestant work ethic" when we all know that they relied on slave labor from Africa to do the most back-breaking work? Even today, the Mexicans immigrants demonstrate more of a work ethic than the average American, and they are mostly Catholics not Protestants.

Stating the facts instead repeating well aged slogans does not make one unpatriotic. Remember the story "The Emperor's New Clothes"?

[BH Bound]

@Artistyp, I'm asian, and my parents' retail business employs many AMERICANS, at above the minimum wage, who otherwise would not have jobs because they do not have the same opportunity at education as I was entitled to. Also, the biggest offenders of this so called "sin" (I agree with the guy below me) are not asians, it's huge corporations (many with stockholders from varying ethnicities, but predominantly white) that lay off hundreds of thousands of Americans and outsource. I'm only 21 with minimal savings, but as my bank roll and I grow older, I intend to invest at least 70 percent of my savings in the European market, and the rest in my own enterprises (home-grown, which will also employ AMERICANS). What you do with your hard-earned money is your own business.

[Member #2001]

I love the diversity of america but I'm tired of people taking and not giving back.Nowhere else in the world would this happen.You either contribute and be a part of the community as a whole or get out.You cant expect to be liked if you take jobs.People in europe are starting to feel the brunt of it as well it's draining any progress thats been made.Nobody would be racist if you hired americans and spent your money here instead of sending it home so more people can come here and the drain the system.Theres nothing racist about it just look at the stats.
Asians are the worst offenders of this world wide.

I am so sorry that I walked into this conversation. All I have to say is WRONG!!!!!!WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!WRONG!!!!!!!! AND WRONG AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!i I am not going to post my reasons why you are wrong, buecause I do not want to perpetuate a flame war even though I do have valid reasons which I will not discuss here. How ever I will say that as an american (a discusted one at that), fed up with the hollier then thou attitude and the people running the country, I have decided to work here and take my hard earnded dollars out of the country and if anyone I would encourage anyone albiet american or from other culture to do the same also. There is nothing unpatratiotic about it and I will not be silenced by bieng called a communist as it the fashion nowadays. BTW. I am not Mexican, black, chinese, polack, arab or a redneck hillbilly. I am a HUMAN, born on this planat and I dont see how race, color, creed, or religion has anything to do with it.

Reminds me of, well better not say.

So now you or anyone would like to flame me please do so as I will not respond and you will go into my ignore box, so feel free.

i concur. america is the greatest political entity in the history of mankind but our greatness is declining. america is great because of our protestant work ethic, rugged individualism,respect for the rule of law, and eternal optimism that is shared among our populace. we are also historically unique in that we'll kick your ass, help you up, patch ya up, and then declare no hard feelings.

unfortunately, our common cultural fabric is being eroded by mass immigration from non western nations. an immediate immigration moratorium must be declared on Asians, latinos, slavs/e.europeans, and especially muslims--africans don't immigrate in any mentionable numbers anyway. it's not a racial issue but rather a cultural and ethical one. most of the aforementioned come here to benefit from the financial paradise that my forefathers made possible with no inkling to replenish what they take. if we need cheap labor fine, but they should not be granted citizenship or be treated to the trappings of such. american citizenship laws should be modeled after german laws... or better yet roman cannon...no first generation passports.

there should be a few exceptions, like those who deposit 250K in an american bank account with no withdrawal possible for five years. these people, along with other immigrants, should pay a higher tax rate--10%-20%-- than american citizens do.

these things will weed out freeriders from those that are genuinely interested in being americans and embracing the responsibilities that come with citizenship.

also, foreign brides must return home if their j-1 sponsor requests it within a ten year time frame. i'm sick of seeing sorry ass men being taken for rides by natashas.

[Bart9000]

Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

1) I fit the profile of US-born Latins having lower income. I do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. Too much drama that I won't get into here. So no going over the world mongering for me.

2) My parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. I have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. The clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. Even the social clubs around the city I have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. A lot of US-based Latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the US culture COMBINED. That is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. It's absolutely sickening!

3) Going outside the ethnic group/social group is a BIG problem because:

a) Latins in the US have this big stigma attached to them. Either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. I'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. And I'm pretty soft for a big guy. Shy even.

b) Again, Latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, I have problems trying to break through this barrier. It's stupid but that's what I have to live with.

4) Going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another BIG problem:

a) Most women there think that people coming over from the US already have money or SHOULD have money by now. I'm about as close to broke as possible. So I can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because I already have enough drama paying the bills and I can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) On that point, you have to realize that Latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like CRAP. Either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) Like I said before, I am neither black, white nor asian. So I can't even fake an "exotic" look.

So I get no luck with women in the same ethnic AND with women from other ethnic groups.

The real reason why I read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. In reality, I am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. I feel that I can't even look at a woman because I'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. Maybe I need psychological counseling.

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.

I went through a period like this in my early twenties....massive debt, people sueing me left and right, gaining weight, forced to drop out of college, shit low paying-physicaly demanding high stress job, no car, moving home with my parents who heaped vicious abuse (which I had to endure on pain of being thrown out homeless) on me nearly around the clock...as a result, I was basically a beaten down, no self esteem, nervous wreck, like our friend here. Needless to say, no girl woud even look at me (despite this, one of my mother's incessant harping points was "Get Married-because two people can live cheaper than one") Towards the end of that ordeal (having worked my ass off in this situation for two years, until I got a better job, and went back to school-a student loan disbursement funded my move out of Mom and Dad's house) I actually had to have a dental procedure to have enamel bonded back on my teeth as I had ground all of it off (while awake)

Anyways, after all of that, I realized years later that I actually came out ahead, because statistically speaking, that would have been the time for some litte bimbo to have gotten her claws into me......I'm sure that a celibate marriage, likely divorce and subsequent child support would have put me all in all in a place much further away from where I want my life to be than the "lost years" did.

B8k

[Prov1]

Its nice to see The Great Mattrick back. He always shows up when there's a fight, usually to complain about the participants.

When he's not complaining, he's all over the place--a true cyber traveller. In the last two months he's posted in: Cuba, Canada, Brazil, Hong Kong, Macau, Philippines, Thailand (On The Go's thread), Morality of Prostitution, Special Interests, Colombia and more. I can't memorize them all.

He has a passion for travel, that's all I can say. And of course I applaud him for that.

Don

You are correct Senator Don in you assessment of Mattrick. It's funny, in all his posts he has yet to post a field report about a WOMAN! It make me wonder about this character...

[Bill Buxton]

A political thread on ISG? What is this website comming to?
You would think that by starting this thread, Jackson is trying to clean up the other P.I. threads so that our distinguished brethren can bicker to their hearts content but it does not seem to be working. Maybe give it a few days with the hope that the posters in question will get the picture and only post information or field reports.

Why would anyone with a good job in another country go to the P.I. and live?Maybe lazy?running from something?Or just wanting to escape life's general bull****.The P.I. through me eyes not a 2-3 week tourist but a fact finding person with enough money to stay anywhere in the world thinks this is a great playground for adult men to go.With other wide scale problems that most of the people do not know about.

I have told people I know about the bar scene and they listen just as I once did to a friend telling the yarn's.I am sure as God made green apples they think it's all bula bula.Thats ok that keeps the flood of people from hitting the area and keeping it for the ones that know the difference.Many guys from around the world come here and I have talked to many that have come here for years and they all have stories about things they saw or heard.I think I would have liked to read posts about other things here than just bar gals.I have many hours invested here also as I am sure many others do also trying to answer many questions about daily life in this country.I might be alone in feeling that asking a simple question and getting the answer in return being "why don't you read the board"not very helpful.

Obviously the easiest thing to do here is find a gal right?what about transportation,general mongering questions,air travel to other places,travel by boats,cost of buying general merchandise.Who wants to find out on his own all the right ways of doing business.Yes maby You or I found out the hard way and that's fine but whats wrong with giving someone a break?I am sure someone gave you a break one time or another.

I am telling the info here like I would want someone to have it told to me STRAIGHT UP.Where else can you live and eat and have a social life on 1000. or 2000, dollars a month? not here.And even support a family on that.Why would the government check camera phones computers for dirty pictures and other stuff when returning back home.It is because it's different here, and there is a small element of unsavory people that come and also live here.Yes the P.I. and also America and all over the globe.I am stating the facts about what I saw and lived not trashing or prasing anything.I posted last year because until now sim cards were not used in my country.That is another big question and with my phone I had to have the line opened, for it to work there.Yes it was stolen because after a while I let my guard down,ME, and I was too trusting and that's when I lost.Being complacent in a strange place, acting like I had all the answers, well that's what happens,no big deal.

Its all good info and there are no stupid questions to be asked here,Why not a new thread on every board here about ground and air transportation?I know it would have Ben a great place for me to spend some quality pc time.

Loosen up guys nobody has to prove anything here and who has all the answers to every question? not I.

Play Safe,

B.B...

[Dashing Don]

Its nice to see The Great Mattrick back. He always shows up when there's a fight, usually to complain about the participants.

When he's not complaining, he's all over the place--a true cyber traveller. In the last two months he's posted in: Cuba, Canada, Brazil, Hong Kong, Macau, Philippines, Thailand (On The Go's thread), Morality of Prostitution, Special Interests, Colombia and more. I can't memorize them all.

He has a passion for travel, that's all I can say. And of course I applaud him for that.

Don

[Columpuss]

Mattrick

It's not political. It is that I despite guys who come to the PIs, has green horns, got taken by real life and bad mouth about it.
They had their ways with the girls for a couple of bucks and yet something happened to them on their ways to get some actions, it is the end of the world.
They came to visit the Las Vegas of the PIs and they think the whole country is such. The country is not better or worse than others. When you come to look for sex, you are more likely surrrounded by shady characters.

[Buko Max]

I didn't sign on for this stuff.

A political thread on ISG? What is this website comming to?
You would think that by starting this thread, Jackson is trying to clean up the other P.I. threads so that our distinguished brethren can bicker to their hearts content but it does not seem to be working. Maybe give it a few days with the hope that the posters in question will get the picture and only post information or field reports.

[Dashing Don]

I just did some research.

Remember Numero One from the 'Who should be given their own thread' section? Well, Total Package is a dead ringer for Numero One. They repeat the same stuff. Throw in Chivas1 and you have all of On The Go's monikers. At least at the time of writing.

Guinness deserves special mention as he is like a bloodhound when it comes to sniffing out On The Go's latest ID. Well done Guinness!!

Back to Surfer: Will CL's post change Surfer's position on the multiple ID issue? Not likely. (BTW, CL, thanks for acknowledging my position as Senator). When Surfer doesn't understand an issue or feels threatened, he immediately throws up the 'multiple ID' smokescreen.

We all just have to hope that Surfer forgets to wax his board some day and when he takes a header, it ends up his rear end.

What an epitaph!

Don

[Cebu Local]

On a BRIGHTER note: I wish there were more expats in the PI like CanContrib, and LESS of the sex tourists who mistreat the babae. Yes some GROs are cheaters and swindlers, but there are also LOTS of very sweet, guilless, girls who come from desperately poor families with no alternative but to send their daughters to Manila, Cebu, Angeles etc. And MANY of these girls are manipulated and abused by foreign sex tourists (The Whites are almost as bad as the Japanese who are not nearly as bad as the Arabs).

My point is that guys need to wake up and smell the roses. A large part of the reason for the scammers is because they have previously been cheated by sex tourists from rich countries and they have learned to turn the tables and bvecome victimizer rather than victim.

Hi Surfer While I agree with you that there are many nice sweet guiless girls,There are plenty of scammers also,Being Foriegn looking But Filipino speaking allows me to eavesdrop on many bargirls chatting "girls talk" and one of their favorite topics is really discussing how to squeeze money out of the old stupid goats AKA Matandang Tangang Gurang na Kano.They also prefer westerners compared to Koreans and Arabs and in many cases Filipinos,Since They are better treated by most westerners compared to most Arabs and Koreans.Binababoy sila ng mga Arabo at Koreano.Personally I am active in Bantay Bata which is a local NGO that fights Child abuse and yes Kiddy Fuckers.But just because you believe strongly in something,You should not impose your views.Anyway my 2 centavos opinion