Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[Goferring]

Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.

Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups.

This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu. For medical reasons, I found it difficult to walk long distances so did not visit any bars, discos etc in Cebu. Nor did I roam the streets and malls looking for freelancers. However, two days before I left Dumaguete for Cebu I did log onto PinaLove and created a profile.

For various reasons, I'm not prepared to have my true photo, name and personal details visible for all to see. Initially my profile, with no photo, received essentially no attention nor replies to my approaches. I then placed a disguised photo on my profile and emphasised in my description that I was in-country, nearby and arriving in Cebu in two days. My search criteria were 18 to 28 females from Cebu City and it was typically me that sent the opening message. The rate of responses to my messages increased substantially.

Early on chatting with the girls I confessed that I used a false profile ("because a friend had a girl black mail him and cause a lot of trouble so I'm don't want to have all my personal details visible to all to see. " my marital status and that I was not looking for a LTR nor a wife. One target replied that she "did not have time to waste" with me. The others that did reply didn't care.

While in Dumaguete, most responders gave me their text or Viber numbers within two or three messages and a confirmation that we could meet - "just text me when you get to Cebu". All were very forthcoming because they were reassured that I was a real possibility and not just wasting their time looking for Camsex or naked photos. I never asked for photos (naked or otherwise), video chatted or had deep and meaningful conversations with anyone. I left the responses after a couple of chats, usually immediately after getting numbers and confirming that they would be happy to meet.

When I arrived in Cebu the response rate to a text to come over was close to 100%. The first night was the only glitch. I arrived late and the intended target made endless promises so I just moved on to another who came over at short notice. Another threesome fell apart when one member literally fell asleep upon entering my room after a long day at work, apologised profusely and they both caught a taxi home. Again they were quickly replaced after one text.

Over the next week I would text and meet candidates at the 7/11 or JollieBee nearest to my hotel. When they arrived I would go down and if all was well, we would go straight up to the room. I never needed to send anyone back home due to misrepresentation. Profile pictures were certainly selected to flatter but none were photoshopped nor another person. On a typical day I would get three to five texts requesting to drop around. I typically rationed myself to two or three shots a day. However, many more could have easily been achieved. I did have one night off to recharge the batteries. Sessions were typically 1 on 1 with a selection of threesomes. A+ was available but not widely promoted.

All up, I found the process very simple and effective. I was looking for, and found, purely commercial commitments. No one was under the impression that an ongoing relationship was forming and I don't expect any unwanted surprise emails or Facebook invites when I return home. The only negative was that the quality of the girls was probably not quite as high as a good bar. The truely attractive girls were certainly holding out for the right offer rather than a night's romp with someone on holiday. Any effort required was in sorting good from bad and tracking multiple text numbers, names, faces etc. Timeliness was a lot better than I thought it would be and I had no security concerns. Costs were standardised at 1500/3000 P ST / LT plus about 200 p taxi fare. I also bought a couple of JollieBees and lunches but those costs were trivial when compared to a night of LDs.

The numbers:

69 initial messages sent.

53 replies received.

35 text numbers and ok to meet received.

3 adhoc messages from "friends" or "cousins" received.

4 permanently outside Cebu.

2 returning in a couple of days.

[Dg8787]

Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.

I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.

Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.

Flyboy you could have man up and earned some red wings.

I doubt if you taught her a lesson in your teachable learnable moment.

[Flyboy 2000]

Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.

Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.

You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.

I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.

Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.

Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.

[Mr Enternational]

Semi pro's.

They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".

They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.

Thanks for laying down the knowledge KG. I have never been able to get behind the semipro deal. To me, either she trades sex for money or she doesn't.

The sexual shoplifting comment got me to thinking about the reverse of that. The main chick that I deal with in Manila I met her probably 5 or so years ago on Date In Asia if I recall correctly. Probably the only reason that I still deal with her is because she has a huge ass that I love. When I first met her on there she told me up front that I would have to give her money to fuck. No problem. So the first time we met we actually took a trip to Coron because I was doing some scuba diving. When we got back I gave her 4000 pesos. We have also gone to Bohol together and it seems like somewhere else. Also give her 4000 then. When she comes to spend the night with me whenever I am in Manila I give her 2000. I will mention that she does have a regular call center job as well.

For me the money for the big ass and the convenience of having someone that I know is not going to flake out come on my scuba diving trips works great. The thing is that I get weirded out because she tries to "relationship shoplift" by always calling me babe and telling me how much she misses me and asking when she is going to see me again; sending me all kinds of naked pictures and wating me to bring her more sex toys. She likes to travel and always asks where we are going to next. She actually brought up the idea and honestly thought that I would take her to Maldives. Shit like that leads me to believe she wants to be in a real relationship, but she never says anything about it nor has ever mentioned anything about other girls. So I guess it could actually just be considered an ultimate GFE.

This is why I had to distance myself from her at the beginning of the year. It just felt awkward to me. So when she would send me messages I would not answer. So finally she met some guy (don't know if it is another foreigner from online or what) and gets pregnant from a one night stand. She does not even know anything about this guy. Saw him that one time and he is gone in the wind. And you know what she said? That she never got pregnant when I came inside of her. Nevermind she does not realize that I am not stupid enough to do that shit without a vasectomy. She attributed her meeting the guy to me ignoring her messages for a month or 2. Not that I would have given a fuck one way or the other, but that makes it seem like I was the only person she was dealing with. May be true, may not be true.

So I started back dealing with her because I love pregnant pussy and will enjoy the milky tits now that she had the baby this past week. I guess the long term GFE from a chick that I am trading money for sex with creeps me out. It is probably because I have not been known to do too many repeats with chicks that I pay.

[Mr Enternational]

Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.

You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.

Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.

That is another big disadvantage of trying to meet chicks online before you go. You get your dick all hard just knowing you are about to be fucking this chick. But you do not know what the situation will be when you have boots on the ground. Maybe she will be super late or not able to make it that day. She might try to bring family along, might be on her period, some higher priority guy may be in town. Now all that time you spent talking up on some pussy (that you are probably paying for anyway) has been wasted. To avoid the frustration, it is much easier to go to a spot like Manila Bay Cafe and make a live choice.

Guys like KG can afford to throw their line in the water and just wait for the proper bite. For guys that have limited time or that are not frequent visitors it leaves too much to chance. That is why whenever I go to a new place I check ISG to see what the pickup spots and cathouses are in case I need a backup for shit happening as it did with Flyboy.

[Mogwai]

Anyway: we get into the room, and at the appropriate point I go to kiss her and it's barely a peck from her, I pull back and ask point blank what's wrong. She says she has her period! WTF?
I just look at her, count to five, and then ask in a firm but not angry way why she agreed to meet me and come back to the hotel if she had per period? Did she ever have sex during her period? No, she replies, at which point I say "Well why did you come here? I think it's very selfish of you to do this to me" and March her back out the door, down to the lobby, she's totally clammed up like a frigging 8 year old caught doing something wrong by a parent and given a good speaking to, yet which point she has the asks for some money for her son. "Sorry but I bought you lunch and in return you wasted my time, so lunch is all you get today. ".
I just can't fathom how anybody could have their brain in neutral to such an extent!

Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.

You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.

Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.

[Kabul Guy]

I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.



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My categories are simply arbitrary cutoff's on a continuous scale. An individual girl's placement along this scale and her behaviors can also change, sometimes quickly, depending on circumstances. For example; a regular girl may demonstrate semi-pro behaviors when bills are due.

Good girls.

Hard to find because they will not usually date foreigners because of the stigma associated with that in Phil society. They are typically religious, social conservative types. Most likely sexually inexperienced. To get anywhere you will need to meet the family and pass their approval as well. Looking for a commitment before sex. They would be very insulted of the offer of money for sex, that is most likely the best way to not get laid is to offer money for sex.

I think that the best long-term relationship comes out of this pool but the odds of actually meeting one and getting to a long-term status is slight. Especially since my target age range is 25 to 35 and I am in my 60's). You might have more luck with provincial good girls than big city good girls.

Regular Girls.

They will date, you really need to get them comfortable with you before sex. It often takes the second date at least, sometimes longer. I will go 3 dates before sex only unless she has something special going for her. (Hot, educated, good company etc.).

You may or may not need to meet family; they often ask to bring a friend, sister, cousin etc. along on the first date. They will also be insulted by an offer of money for sex but may accept some 'help with expenses'.

Some good times had in this group. The best possibility for a long-term relationship IMHO. They are willing to meet and not as likely to cheat on you the second your back is turned.

Semi pro's.

They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".

They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.

Pro's.

Only interested in the cash, as much as possible for as little work as possible. Will fuck anything anytime anywhere for money and do so just about every night.

Happy Humping

KG

[Mr Enternational]

I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.

This past February I was in Boracay on vacation with my girl. From what I picked up, Boracay is a couples / family beach vacation destination and not a monger destination. It is very rare to have a mainstream vacation place double as a monger place. That is somewhere that you want to bring your own girl, not be forced to search for one. There are many normal jobs available there due to the high tourism numbers, so I don't really think they need to use prostitution as an option.

[Gen X Baer]

Hey there gents.

I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.

Looking forward to hearing from all.

Regards,

GenX.

[Goferring]

My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.
KG.

Kabul,

Is it common in Manila to also keep a small stable of "very good" girls simply for their conversation and companionship skills?

When I lived elsewhere in Asia, copious great sex was so redily available that getting laid was sometimes not the primary aim of a date. We foreign residents would have a couple of contacts that we would date just for their companionship. These girls were generally stunningly beautiful, very well educated, had good jobs and their own money. They could hold conversation with anyone who entered the room on pretty much any topic. No money ever changed hands and it was always clear that the night was not going to end with a quicky back at the hotel.

Put simply they were fabulous company and that was why went out with them.

[Goferring]

My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.

I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.

KG.

I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.

You will always have the extremes of the beautiful Hi-so girls who are not going to sleep with anyone unless there is a long term commitment and the guy is socially acceptable vs the freelancers who will sleep with anyone who calls and has the cost of admission.

In between there are many girls who will be "good" to guys that will perhaps see them over a longer period of time, be in contact with their work mates, friends or family or have the ability to affect their status or replutation. These same girls may also be "bad" when the suitor does not impact these and simply offers a short term night of fun and / or temporary source of funding and then will be gone.

The same can be said when it is the girls who are on tour. A pack of two or three girls on holiday, who were mild mannered account clerks at home can be absolutely ravenous when away from prying eyes and sharp tongues.

Being a resident can open up access to the "better"girls where as being a short term tourist or business visitor can lead to good girls dropping their guard quicker.

[Kabul Guy]

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That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.

I agree with the comment about being cold-blooded and a bit mercenary but I usually agree with them having a second along on first meeting.

My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.

I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.

Once you make these girls comfortable in your presence the sex is almost automatic. This makes the initial investment usually pay off quite well as you get a "good girl" which is usually less costly financially than a "bar girl" but you may pay other ways. That is where being cold-blooded comes in handy, you can resist the 100's of texts saying "I love you, I miss you, Please see me again. ".

No absolute rights or wrongs, just different tastes and hunting strategies.

Happy humping.

KG.

[Flyboy 2000]

There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!

I'm not a huge fan of videochat but definitely it can relax the girl to see your face and 'get' that you're an okay guy, even that alone paved the way for a fun evening in HK recently. As to getting her to send 'naughty' pics, I'm going to say this is a brilliant tip and strategy. Just on this visit to Manila, there was one girl on Blendr who I got along well with, we moved it to WeChat and it seemed from my end that we were up for a fun evening of dinner + bedroom (the tone of the chats, teasing comments, her having already mentioned crap job with little money and my mentioning I'd be good to her if she was good to me, etc) so I tried this idea during one chat on the afternoon we were to meet that evening. Asked her to send me a photo of what I'd see that night. She sent a selfie. I replied that I was hoping to see a sneak preview of what I'd see 'under the covers', in bed, and it quickly became evident she somehow thought we were just 'meeting up' for dinner. Didn't read this as her being coy or shy like many Asian women can be, even when they first get to the room. Nope. So, that tip of yours saved me quite some wasted time and money!

[Flyboy 2000]

I have done both. Have the girls come to the room and met them outside. Video chat is good in the sense you get to see each other and also discuss intimate details which cannot be done in chat sites. Can plan plan how many days and find out what benefits she is expecting. Sometimes it is better to interact so that Ice is broken. Many of the girls are scared to be with a stranger. Once they feel you can be trusted rest is easy. Sex is better. It is also easy to convince girls to take a trip to be with you, go on vacations. I have gotten girls to come from the provinces and stay with me many times.
Overall I have had good experiences getting girls from dating sites. Need to be patient and treat them like a GF rather than a prostitute although money definitely changes hands. I have taken girls on vacation and had great sex with them.

Agree that when it works out, it works out really well. This is where a nice bit of upfront chat helps, it develops a rapport and some common ground, and also. This is important to me. Demonstrates to me the ability to have a conversation. As a rule, the better we get on online, the better we'll get on not only in person but in the sack.

Meeting outside gives you and the girl to easily escape if you do not like each other.

Yes, did this in HK recently, met one at the cafe and quickly realised she'd used a very old photo and had put on a lot of weight since then, which just strikes me as dishonest and a poor reflection on character overall, and to be honest I just could not be bothered taking it any further so just had my coffee over polite small talk and left it at that "Well, thanks for coming to meet me, was nice to chat, see you later" etc. She was rather astonished, I think she felt she was going to get laid!

Problem is sometimes they do not come alone. Sometimes with family and sometimes with a friend. It is impossible to talk when families are present and delicate when friend is present. If the girl likes you she will come with you.

That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.

[Mua Tur]

Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000.

He he, you missed one more things. What about the ages!

The more ages the less money or none. Even a land lord girl of 40+ from Negros Occi, offered me she would pay my travel cost, if I extend my tour from Cebu to her city (slipped out the city name). Amazing.