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[PinaLove]

I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.

This are excellent odds for us socially awkward disenfranchised westerners. It does explain why it's really is more fun in the Philippines. If there are 6.6 M mostly male tourists per year (http://web.tourism.gov.ph/news_features/dot_high.aspx) approx 127,000 per week to be hunted by the Ph sex workers, semi-pro and willing girls, plus of course the romantic a spirationalists.

1: 5 Visitor to sex workers.

1: 12 Hopeful pinays.

So at worst when we are here there are at least 5 women seeking each man, up to 12 seekers.

Does it matter is we are still only sampling less than 3% of the female populations?

Happy days.

PL.

[Member #1088]

If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.

Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.

I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.

Did you get to enjoy some of the univ students renting rooms in your Cebu ex GF, like having a little harem.

[Mr Enternational]

The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad.

Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.

If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.

Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.

I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.

[Kabul Guy]

You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?

I am saying that women everywhere in the world are genetically programmed to want males who can be a provider and a protector, just as males are programmed to want a woman of prime child raising age. It is something needed to help propagate our genetic material, pick a mate who will increase the chances of our offspring becoming adults and therefore having our grandchildren. It can be explicit in cash for fun tonight or implicit as in becoming a family unit where the male is expected to provide the bulk of the material benefit while the woman has and raises the children.

The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad. If she says she wants 2000 p for a BJ and delivers and collects then that is good.

The dynamic duo are not saying only that the class of women that most guys here will meet are only after their money, but saying all pinas are only after their money and will be very dishonest about it while screwing the trike driver on the side.

I agree that the women most expats will meet are after money (or security or a new life in a western country) but not all women here want that. There is a very large number of women here who will not give a foreigner a second look, no matter how fat his wallet. These are the educated and worldly daughters of the wealthy and elite ruling class, we will most likely never meet one of them let alone have a relationship with one.

I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.

What I dislike about those two is that they disparage an entire nation of women based on their limited observations in the 3% pool for hiding the fact that they want money for sex when it is expected that we will pay and that they will get it at the same time as bragging about being dishonest about giving money to get sex from women who are obviously expecting something. It is sort of like the tipping culture in the US. You are not legally obliged to tip a server, however it is expected and customary so everyone does it and relies on it. Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.

[Mr Enternational]

They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.

You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?

[Kabul Guy]

"Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.

That is not my original idea. It was used here a lot several years ago but fell out of use recently. So feel free to steal it, I did. LOL.

I agree it is a perfect descriptor for people who allow or lead women into believing that they will be rewarded for services rendered.

And let's face the fact. All women want something for their sexual services. It can be explicit as in $XX for this and $YY for that with time limits or it can be a life long commitment to support and provide. We males are genetically programmed to want women who are good child bearing age and physical condition. I. e. Full breasts for giving milk and wide hips for the birth process. The women are likewise genetically programmed into wanting men that they see as good protectors and providers. They look for healthy men who have physical strength to provide and protect. The wanting tangible signs of wealth is a cultural manifestation of that preference for a provider and protector. A fat wallet gives the woman the same degree of provision and protection as a muscular physique.

Did you see the article that showed that monkeys and other animals when taught the concept of money started engaging in p4p activities?

https://www.zmescience.com/research/...nkey-appeared/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosti..._among_animals

We are just doing what comes naturally.

[Nice Guy 99]

The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here.

"Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.

[Kabul Guy]

I have reread the thread by Chocha Monger and Tagalog2016. These two guys form a mutual admiration society with remarkably similar world views and writing styles. Makes one wonder just how many guys are really writing these posts.

The main thrust of their position is that all women in the Philippines are only out to get your money and will screw a trike driver just as soon as you are out of sight. They blast all local women for lying about wanting money for sex while at the same time bragging about getting sex for no money while lying to the women about their aims. They do make it clear that they are never explicit about what they promise but given the norms of mongering and local women with foreign guys it is well understood by all that money plays a big part in why they have sex with us. The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here.

While he / they do have a very literate writing style and are obviously educated they missed the classes on research methodology. Their entire analysis is based on either limited random personal observations or anecdotal evidence that supports their case. Their analysis simply lacks any sort or rigor to make the firm claims that they make over and over again.

They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.

However you have to recognize that we as human males are predisposed to women opf prime child bearing age (around 25) women are also predisposed genetically to males who can provide and protect them. (Look at the Art of Manliness web site, they define the duties of a real man to provide, protect and procreate). It does not matter who you are, what age you are and what culture you are in, you will have better sexual success if women think you will be a good provider.

So no big news that women are looking for something in return for giving a guy sex and that in Philippine culture they are a little more open about asking for financial help from a foreign guy.

They have a confirmation bias as well. They take it as widespread confirmation that the traits that they look for in a women when expressed are evidence that all Philippine women want only money for sex and will fuck their trike driver as soon as your back is turned.

This is simply not true. The women we as foreign mongers will meet are willing to have sex for money either because they like the lifestyle, because they need the money or more likely somewhere between those two extremes. The educated women with options will not have anything to do with a foreign guy that they perceive as a monger. We get the ones who believe either rightly or wrongly that money for sex is the best way out of the poverty cycle all too prevalent here.

Finally they have a serious extrapolation failure in their analysis. They state that because they find some evidence of a trait in a sample of women selected for that trait that that not only reinforces their belief in that trate but it applies to all women in the country.

This post is getting too long so I will save comments on their failures in cultural matters for a subsequent post.

Happy humping.

KG.

[Mr Enternational]

Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds?

I always tell people if they are coming to Thailand or Philippines then they might as well check the other one out too while they are on this side of the world. (Likewise makes no sense to go all the way to Manila or AC and not check the other one out too.) It is only a 3 hour flight and I usually get it for $150 round trip on Cebu Pacific. Just found out Air Asia also has a flight now and it is even cheaper. I don't know of any horor stories at the Manila airport. It has always been a breeze for me and I am in it probably 20 times per year.

As far as transportation between the two, I think you are talking about the raggedy Swagman bus. It is old, 600 pesos, and only runs once a day. There is, however, a new bus service (Genesis) from the Manila airport for 350 pesos. I have taken it several times since it started around September. Great is all I can say. 350 from AC to Manila in the bus then another 350 for Grab taxi from the airport to my hotel in Ermita. Definitely beats the 3000 that they want for taxis. I don't know of any bus robberies. Don't know how many times I have been between AC and Manila, but I can tell you that it has only been in a taxi thrice. Every other time it has been in a bus. No problems. I always sit in the back row and if the bus is not full, it is the last place that other passengers will come. So plenty of space to stretch out and watch shows on my tablet.

I think I went into more bars the other day in AC than I ever have. Talent was way low and keep in mind that I am not the pickiest mf on ISG. To me it looked like that place is on its last leg. Or maybe it is low season or something. I don't keep track of the seasons. I have never been a big gogo fan anyway. It is boring to me. But my opinion is that the game has really moved to the web. That and it is easier to get normal jobs now so less women are feeling the need to go hang around on a stage all day.

A couple of things to keep in mind are that in AC it is all inclusive. The Fields bars are 3000 pesos and now the Perimeter bars are 2500 pesos. You do not give any extra money to the girls. In Manila you do give the girls a separate fee and it is going to run you 3 X as getting a girl in Angeles. Pussy is just not that important to me to be paying $200 in a third world country to be able to stick my dick into it a few times. That being said, I have only set foot in Manila gogos maybe 3 times. I have been to EDSA Complex twice and the Burgos bars once. I have really not paid attention to talent level but there is pretry much a consensus that Manila has the best girls. A friend of mine tells me that Air Force One has the best in particular and if you go to nowhere else in Manila then you must make a visit there. I have never been to check it out, and even when I get around to it I am sure I will not be in the mind to pay Air Force Once prices.

[Breadman]

In the Thailand forum there's a distinct split on how people see Bangkok vs Pattaya. Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. I'd then fly out of Manila to Bangkok after my adventures. I can do both cities, split the time as I see fit or I can save the time and the taxi and spend the entire trip in Manila since Angeles just doesn't work out trying to fly into Bangkok (no direct flights yet). My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. Are they still getting pulled over and robbed at gunpoint or is that a thing of the past? I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds? Would a Sunday be the best day to fly out?

[GoodEnough]

I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".

If this were a Facebook post I would have given it a "like," since the last half sentence perfectly describes the thought process here. And the "rules" to which RK refers are unwritten, so you've got to infer them as you go through daily life.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".

Exactly. You have probably accommodated yourself to this principle more fully than I have and so achieve greater serenity from accepting the many situations that cannot be changed.

[Red Kilt]

So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.

I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".

[Soapy Smith]

Unfortunately you disregarded the fact that this is a relatively recent occurrence and has spiked recently (during the last 6 months in which I have been collecting empirical data).

No, I understood the trend line aspect of the story quite well. But we are offering two different explanations for the trend line. You believe there is a story being diffused among Filipinas that Western men like taller women. Obviously since you've been collecting data you may know something else that substantiates this explanation, such as women telling you they had heard this rationale.

I'm suggesting that the same trend could occur from mimicry alone.

I heard a story recently about an Australian company on the verge of bankruptcy. Then one day a photo shows up on the internet of Meghan Markle carrying one of their handbags. Suddenly sales of these handbags skyrocketed and turned the company's fortunes around overnight. So, did all these women purchasers buy these handbags because they thought it would help them catch their own Prince Harry? No, Meghan Markle got Prince Harry because she's hot, and they're not. And Meghan Markle is probably the most visible woman in the world right now, even ahead of Stormy Daniels. So there's a changing trend line based not on some rational expectation of an outcome, but on simple mimicry: monkey see, monkey do.

So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.

[Nice Guy 99]

Honestly, I thought this was a really smart sarcastic comment to a rather random question.

Not sarcastic. It is the truth.