Kyiv Escorts

[AColonizer]

You were right, Moliere!

Good service means reciprocal trust. When girls want just to cheat men, they invent a lot of sweet lies. When there is a reciprocal trust, sometimes but not always, men can pay after service. This is the right and well-known behaviour. Different behaviour means fraud per 95% cases.

Never give money to mamascka or "friend" and never give money outside own flat.
What could have happenned? A lot of bad stories, for example before she agreed to make unprotected blowjobs, after she would refuse to make them, so you will get no service and you will loose your money!

In general, prostitutes in Kiev are not professional. I tested a lot of phone numbers that I found in www.flirt.com.ua and in the most important Ukrainian prostitution sites, and I seldom get a professional service. In 95% cases prostitutes in Kiev are free-lance prostitutes, the worse prostitutes, that come just to cheat customers, to get money, to waste time and to have very little sex. They don't mind to go again to the same customer because they always find new silly customers.

Moreover, I am not sure the Ukrainian recession can decrease pussy price. All of us know that Pussy is the new world commodity.

I have been meeting women through singles. Ru, with the first meeting in a cafe. Today for the first time, I tried to make arrangements for a first meeting at my apartment. The girl insisted that I meet her downstairs and pay her there before we went upstairs.

This arrangement seems designed to allow her to hand off the money immediately to her friends below. I declined.

Do any of you have any comment on this type of arrangement. I realize that Kiev is not Las Vegas, but I did not expect this. It seems to easier for the girl to take the money and simply leave with her friends.

Thanks for any experienced advice.

Moliere

[Doctor_Skank]

The girl insisted that I meet her downstairs and pay her there before we went upstairs.

This arrangement seems designed to allow her to hand off the money immediately to her friends below. I declined.

Do any of you have any comment on this type of arrangement. I realize that Kiev is not Las Vegas, but I did not expect this. It seems to easier for the girl to take the money and simply leave with her friends.

Thanks for any experienced advice.

Moliere

I also prefer to pay in the apartment or even afterwards, but that won't always fly. She probably wanted to make sure you had the money... who knows what kind of experiences she's had before.

In any case, even though not ideal, I probably would have paid her. I have never had a girl run away on me (knock on wood). Has anyone here had a girl actually RUN AWAY with the money?

[Moliere]

I have been meeting women through singles. Ru, with the first meeting in a cafe. Today for the first time, I tried to make arrangements for a first meeting at my apartment. The girl insisted that I meet her downstairs and pay her there before we went upstairs.

This arrangement seems designed to allow her to hand off the money immediately to her friends below. I declined.

Do any of you have any comment on this type of arrangement. I realize that Kiev is not Las Vegas, but I did not expect this. It seems to easier for the girl to take the money and simply leave with her friends.

Thanks for any experienced advice.

Moliere

[Ash1001]

Now that it's term time, and a new academic year, what do we have in the way of newbies at RP?

Who's up to date on this? Cruiser, care to share your wisdom on something you DO know something about?

Come on now, don't be shy

[Cruiser D]

Ash is as clueless about the p4p scene in the Ukraine as he is the US economic/politican scene. So does that count?

And it's actually just economics, not micro, if it was micro we'd be talking about something like umm, RP ho's.

As most could see I was trying to let this thread die. But just like the nonsense you posted about the cause of the Great Depression I also couldn't let Ash's nonsense go uncorrected. Ash2 might be reading what Ash wrote and with his easily brainwashed mind believe it. And another easily fed information zombie would be born, and that's just wrong.

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[Ash1001]

Why spread yer legs for half, when a day or two later she will probably get lucky and get 'full' price? This seems to be how they usually think, unless desperate for the money.

It seems to me they live for being able to brag to their friends that someone paid $500 for them. Even if it happens twice a year.

[Ash1001]

Ash, I'm way beyond you. The fact that it's about 'winners and losers' shows where your mindset is. Trickle down economics - now I'm really having my doubts about you. An unregulated market and legal financial 'scams' is what lead us to the point we are at now and in 1929. Hence my comments about parasites – both political and financial. The only hope the world has of avoiding another great depression is if the US Government bails out failing and failed financial institutions. People like you bray on and on about the evils of socialism holding capitalism as your shining light and Holy Grail. But isn't this case in point of failed capitalism and socialism coming to save the day? Idiots in the US for the last ten years or so went on and on about how Social Security should be privatized – a super 401k put in the ‘stock market’. What these idiots fail to realize is that the Social Security program in the US came about because the stock market failed in 1929. No chances of something like that happening again, eh? Of course I shouldn’t call all these people idiots. Some are just the above mentioned parasites looking to feed on something like the privatization of the US Social Security system

It's up to individuals to decide where and how they're invested. If those individuals make mistakes and lose, it's not the fault of either the government, 'rich' people or lack of regulation. The people who complain loudest about any stock market crash are those that bet the biggest and lost the most. The same people who spent years bragging about how well their shares were doing. It's an irrefutable fact that NO-ONE loses in markets unless he was initially 1) Greedy 2) Stupid.

For your information, the source of the current crisis was Bill Clinton's legislation to - and I kid you not - prevent mortgage lenders 'discriminating' against poorer borrowers. Good ole Bill thought not having a dime to your name shouldn't stop you owning your own home - and woe betide the banks that thought otherwise. Hence they were forced to lend to poor folk (who are now bankrupt) and spin off loads of subprime bonds and their associated derivatives to cover their own risk. GW Bush tried to reverse this on several occasions but failed. But I know you won't hear a good word said about him.

Trickle down economics Bubba? It’s time to start sharpening the blade on the Guillotine, that's the ultimate result of trickle down economics

It's typical of communists, fascists and Islamic fundamentalists to threaten violence when they run out of logical arguments. And, apparently, the International Brotherhood of Taxi Drivers, Newark branch.

Scientific and social progression is much more important then economic progression in any 'advanced' society. I'd like to advance, obviously you are more interested in brightly colored stones and shiny metal.

I've misplaced my copy of Das Kapital, can you remind me which bit that's from? Then again Hitler would have been equally proud of that thinking, he knew what to do with the 'brightly colored stones and shiny metal' chasers

Now, if only the hookers could be weaned off the loathsome shiny metal.. Seriously, what on earth makes you a socialist when you've had more experience than most seeing what 70 years of it has done to a country? You know socialism sucks, that's why you earn your $ in the world's richest, free-est country and spend it in a basket case of a country. I rest my case.

[Cruiser D]

Any girl who isn't with a guy in RP or part of the staff is for sale. No doubt about it.

[Fox7717]

What do you mean ratio of working girls to regular girls has changed?

From what I've seen RP is still generally 99% working girls. You might get a regular girl who is there with a date. But no girls or groups of girls are going there just to dance.

It was funny, last year I was there with an ISG member and in walks a girl I had met through another girl friend. She was so embaressed. She tried to ignore me at first but I wouldn't have any of that. She gave me a story about how it was her first time there, she had just came there for the disco because it was so close to her place. I said yeah, that's what I tell people too. Just to make sure I had my buddy go up to her (he wasn't sitting with me when she walked by) and ask the ol' RP question - How much? The reply was $400. Guess she didn't just go there for the disco. Also, I closed the place out because it was my buddy's first trip to RP and he was having a hard time choosing. I ended up sitting on the couch out in the lobby because I was so bored. Guess who walks by with a 'client' in tow. I said hi, but she didn't even acknowledge me. Her friend (she was with a second girl) said hi. From what I understand she got married or enganged this year (she was also a professional foreigner dater). I wonder if he knows about her past. 7.5 for a body 6.5 for a face.

I said number of WG's seems to have gone down a BIT! (Maybe 97% now)

[Fox7717]

JP did not buy Merrill Lynch

JPM bought what was left of Lehman Brothers. (My mistake)

[Sean EZ]

One of the biggest players in this scam was JP Morgan who are now one of the few Banks not in trouble and who have bought the remains of several other Banks/competitors for peanuts. (eg. Merill Lynch)

JP did not buy Merrill Lynch

[AColonizer]

Good question! Maybe you are joking? ;-)

I wonder this question a lot of times and my reply is: males don't usually want to know the truth, they are boyfriends or husdands, they want just to fuck, therefore love doesn't exist, just sex (and money) exists.

In those situations, the real problem is about width of pussy and ass because a medium-average penis goes into too easily and males feel just a too large hole unable to fill completely.

. . . From what I understand she got married or enganged this year (she was also a professional foreigner dater). I wonder if he knows about her past. 7.5 for a body 6.5 for a face.

[Cruiser D]

What do you mean ratio of working girls to regular girls has changed?

From what I've seen RP is still generally 99% working girls. You might get a regular girl who is there with a date. But no girl or groups of girls are going there just to dance.

It was funny, last year I was there with an ISG member and in walks a girl I had met through another girl friend. She was so embaressed. She tried to ignore me at first but I wouldn't have any of that. She gave me a story about how it was her first time there, she had just came there for the disco because it was so close to her place. I said yeah, that's what I tell people too. Just to make sure I had my buddy go up to her (he wasn't sitting with me when she walked by) and ask the ol' RP question - How much? The reply was $400. Guess she didn't just go there for the disco. Also, I closed the place out because it was my buddy's first trip to RP and he was having a hard time choosing. I ended up sitting on the couch out in the lobby because I was so bored. Guess who walks by with a 'client' in tow. I said hi, but she didn't even acknowledge me. Her friend (she was with a second girl) said hi. From what I understand she got married or enganged this year (she was also a professional foreigner dater). I wonder if he knows about her past. 7.5 for a body 6.5 for a face.

[Fox7717]

Fox, I think the 1929 Crash was a direct result of the deregulation of the then stock market and people thinking what was basically a Ponzi scheme wouldn't implode.

Now, I can shed some light on the River Palace scene and you are right, the underlying reason is that the girls simply aren't as 'desperate' as they used to be. Right up until 2005 you would see happy couples leaving RP at a brisk rate for $100-$200/night. Now more Ukrainian men can (temporarily) afford their services or give some of the semi pro's the kind of life where they don't need to sell themselves (to many men).

The 1929 was caused by the Bankers calling in their loans that millions had used to buy shares during the 'boom' These loans were secured by these shares and so most punters had no choice but to sell these shares to repay their loans. Millions of people selling= A crash in values (very quickly.) The bankers cleaned up, for any loss on these 'share loans' were more than covered by the companies/Banks they bought at cents on the Dollar. (Especially when the market/values recovered later.) One of the biggest players in this scam was JP Morgan who are now one of the few Banks not in trouble and who have bought the remains of several other Banks/competitors for peanuts. (eg. Merill Lynch) Coincidence? I don't think so!

Agreed about RP. I have noticed a change since I first visited 3 years ago. Most girls seem far more relaxed and less desperate. They also now seem more picky and aim to get $300-500 from far less punters. (ie. To earn same or even more overall.) Ratio of WG to regular girls has also decreased a bit?