Kyiv Escorts

[Street Sleuth]

Again, trying not to over-generalize, but, in general , from what I have seen:

Between a choice of either

1) a young, educated, good-looking, physically fit, generous, kind, succesfull darker skinned Italian

or

2) a middle aged, bland, overweight, lazy, white as snow German/Brit/American

Most Ukrainian girls will take #2.

I'm not saying the girls aren't retared for their decision - they are. But it is what it is.

[Street Sleuth]

Kiev girls like darker skinned Greeks and Italians?!

Sure, it can happen. Not saying Greek or Italian guys can't get laid in Ukraine...however:

Ukrainians and Russians tend to be very racist, combined with a dash of ignorance, and a splash of arrogance - and you have them labelling everyone darker than snow as 'chorni'.

I haven't seen many Greeks bumping around Kiev, but have seen some Italians - they are often refused entry to clubs - 'no arabs/turks allowed'.

[Perolav]

Have never been to Kiev, but planning a trip very soon. Could anyone fill me in on the details which brothels and clubs are the best at the moment?

I was also wondering if pages like this is reliable with real photos.

http://escort-models. Kiev. Ua/en/models/page: 2/

The girls look amazing. If this site is only a scam, I would love to hear wich ones I should use.

Thanks in advance!

[Ginkgo Bear]

Getting totally free sex in the Slavic world, by a Western guy, is near impossible. Despite what many ego-centric posters will go on about here. You may not pay a direct P4P fee. But you'll pay for expensive dinners, gifts, trips. Something. Unlike with American girls, where truly free sex can often occur. The main reason, as best I can describe it, is that Slavic women have a bit of a chip on their shoulders, and feel the need to get something from foreigners in exchange for sex. They feel cheated otherwise.

If you are around extensively, and can play the role of a standard boyfriend, then, of course, all that changes. But I'm talking quick, one-off encounters.

Just don't want new guys coming to the region to be dissapointed when they go out on the town, expecting to score easily, and end up falling flat on their face.

Well, free sex with American girls in the end cost me much more than paid sex with slavic women.

[George Red]

George, its all very odd to me. As you don't even read posts, only your own!

Where in all of my posts have I ever said I paid $300 for a girl here?

So you have been with your free girls for the last 2 years? And they are not hookers? So what do you want a medal?

Rtff before you post sweeping statements.

Enjoy my life? Maybe I will understand better? Man you are a joke. Those that know me and have met me know who I am and what I do.

Good looking guy? Congratulations, funny as most greeks I have ever met thought they where good looking as well national trait is it?

Somebody asked me where I come from, thats why I said I come from Greece.

The Greeks don't look good in the states cause they eat like Americans do! Milions of europe (and USA) women been in greek islands for sea sex (with greeks) and sun don't agree with you, about the way greek looks like except of all this, I am fost basketball pro, in very very good shape and I forgot how many skandinavian mostly and greek girls meet in my life in islands until my 30+.

Last 8 years I have bussines in romania and ukraine so I live mostly there and you have to know that if you look good (like greek or italian type goodllooking guy, they don't like a lot white red face goodlooking guys, because they have russians looking like this) you can fuck as lot as you want nice sexy girls, because they also like sex!

But you have to speak some Russian and to make them believe you stay there or you go on regular basis.

Ofcourse I had a very very goodlooking friend, not greek, younger thn me about 32 y. O. , who many aaa devuski insist to go with him just for one time, because they like him so much.

Ok this is not very common but you just think a little more, I speak for younger goodlooking guys not for all, before imediatelly offer money to an ucrainian average looking girl.

Bottom line, pay as much as you like for any kind of stupid bitches, my opinion more thn 100$ is very stupid move, but you already know sex is enjoy only if the girl is for somekind of free (offcourse you pay good money to hang around, many times more than 100$ per night) or at least if does not humilates you making pay some hundrends of dollars, telling after her friends how superior is from you, that you have paid these money (2-3 months normal salary) just to lick her pussy go on maybe you have wright and I am wrong, this is my "greek " point of view.

[George Red]

George,

A man I respect greatly once said to me "if you had a greek on one side of you and a tiger on the other and only one bullet in your gun what would you do? Shoot the greek and take your chances with the tiger! "

Also said "lets face it, the greeks invented Greek style centuries ago and they have been fucking people up the arse one way or another ever since!"

Very very funny I just enjoyed! I speak for the "tiger" story second thought is not correct, greeks invent civilisation and all the principals of philosofy, modern greeks are not the best but either the worst people living outthere I am not greek american, like these that you maybe know, I am native greek there is much difference in mentality and for the e. Europe is better to know you come from greece, than from usa, you have to know that.

[Street Sleuth]

This is absolutely true in my experience. This is only partially true in my experience.Again, I really don't think the "rules of sex and dating" are that much different for locals and foreigners. Talking to local friends, it often seems that we have it even easier than they do in terms of their girls demanding things.

This is of course completely separate from the notorious serial daters... many of whom are on Mamba or hang out at places where expats go. Those women are truly mercenary and evil.

Well, yes, I would agree with the idea - the dating rules are fairly similar for Slavic to Slavic and Slavic to Foreigner. It is true, there are financial demands placed on the local guys, every bit as much as placed on foreign guys - its just we aren't as used to it, at least not in such a direct, conspicuous fashion.

Western women, ultimately demand even more financial payout - its just more discreet and indirect.

You make a more key point though - separating out the mercenary girls on Mamba and Expat locales - these are the girls that give a false generalization image of Slavic women. When you are able to speak the language, and get beyond these locations, into more regular life, you find the girls are often as I described.

[Hecker]

"An in FSU countries they fuck as rabbits at 16…"

I like Slavic women - at least, physically....but gotta make a point regarding a prior post.

It is generally thought in the West that Slavic women are easy, and fuck like rabbits. True about some of them - but, if I had to generalize, I'd say:

1) American girls, on average, start having sex at younger ages than Slavic women.

2) American girls have more sex partners than Slavic women.

3) One night stands are more common for American girls than Slavic women.

This is all in respect to non-working girls. The skewed vision comes from the P4P that is available in the Slavic world - young, hot, clean, educated girls available to older men for a fee (near non-existant in the US). This is in large part due to economic differences, but also due to mentality differences.

Getting totally free sex in the Slavic world, by a Western guy, is near impossible - despite what many ego-centric posters will go on about here. You may not pay a direct P4P fee - but you'll pay for expensive dinners, gifts, trips - something....unlike with American girls, where truly free sex can often occur. The main reason, as best I can describe it, is that Slavic women have a bit of a chip on their shoulders, and feel the need to get something from foreigners in exchange for sex - they feel cheated otherwise.

If you are around extensively, and can play the role of a standard boyfriend, then, of course, all that changes. But I'm talking quick, one-off encounters.

Just don't want new guys coming to the region to be dissapointed when they go out on the town, expecting to score easily, and end up falling flat on their face....

I don't have experience of american women in a great extent but if we compare slavic women to western european women,there are certain differences regarding behaviour.

First difference and most important is that slavic women are far more horny,they always crave for sex,boyfriends,they want penis.On the other hand western euro women seem to be happy with dildos and their desire is much lower.It is obvious by behaviour of western girls vs slavic girls that slavic girls ar emuch more horny and excited.

2.Western euro girls are more intellectual and rational while slavic girls are more emotional and irrational.Again with lots of consequences.

3.In the western world there is conception of mutual rights,feminism and a lot more which is non-exsitent in the slavic world where the woman has to prove her value as sex material.So in slavic world men are the desired sex and women compete for them.

To see how full of illusions feminism is,you would be surprised if you heard polish girls,ukrainian girls or czech girls opinions about prostitutes.More or less they are proud that their nations produce the best prostitutes in the world.They consider western european women as unable to be pros since they look so ugly that they fail to cause erection.It is funny to hear czech girl(not pro) explain why czech pros are superior to russian ones and why they should be prefered.

So we are talking about a totally different concept of relationships than the one which is rampant in the rotten West.Of course the basis is as I already wrote the horniness of slavic women.They simply cannot stand long without penis inside them.

[Doctor_Skank]

"An in FSU countries they fuck as rabbits at 16…"

I like Slavic women - at least, physically....but gotta make a point regarding a prior post.

It is generally thought in the West that Slavic women are easy, and fuck like rabbits. True about some of them - but, if I had to generalize, I'd say:

1) American girls, on average, start having sex at younger ages than Slavic women.

2) American girls have more sex partners than Slavic women.

3) One night stands are more common for American girls than Slavic women.

This is all in respect to non-working girls. The skewed vision comes from the P4P that is available in the Slavic world - young, hot, clean, educated girls available to older men for a fee (near non-existant in the US). This is in large part due to economic differences, but also due to mentality differences.

This is absolutely true in my experience.

Getting totally free sex in the Slavic world, by a Western guy, is near impossible - despite what many ego-centric posters will go on about here.

This is only partially true in my experience.

The main reason, as best I can describe it, is that Slavic women have a bit of a chip on their shoulders, and feel the need to get something from foreigners in exchange for sex - they feel cheated otherwise.

Again, I really don't think the "rules of sex and dating" are that much different for locals and foreigners. Talking to local friends, it often seems that we have it even easier than they do in terms of their girls demanding things.

This is of course completely separate from the notorious serial daters... many of whom are on Mamba or hang out at places where expats go. Those women are truly mercenary and evil.

[Street Sleuth]

One observation regarding pricing of P4P, again harking back to the Greek dude, and his responders:

I see multiple levels of pricing for P4P:

Most Expensive: Generally hot girls, who speak English, and gear themselves towards foreign market (RP, some internet sites). These girls are, indeed, by my standards, over-priced - but they are often the hottest girls as well, despite what some posters may go on about - so, if money is no object, you want one of the hotter girls, and you'd like to be able to communicate a bit with her, this really is the best alternative.

Mid Range: Mamba, a host of Russian-only internet sites, and oodles of apartments (generally same girls found on russian-only internet sites). Decent looking girls - sometimes hot, but generally not as hot as you'd find in the Most Expensive category. Its a good trade-off, if you can speak some Russian.

Low End: Same venue as mid-range, but consist of butte ugly, overweight girls. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but come on....

I won't post prices, as the meltdown of the griven has got to be skewing things a bit - but, my only point would be - anyone who says you can consistently get Ukrainian P4P for $50 and under is referring to the 'low-end' category above. If they say they got hot girls for $50 and under - they are still referring to the low-end category, they just have a very different definition of 'hot' than what most guys do.

Once in awhile, you may get lucky, and find a hot, new girl to Kiev in the low end category - but, within a few weeks, she'll bump up to at least the mid-range.

[Street Sleuth]

"An in FSU countries they fuck as rabbits at 16…"

I like Slavic women - at least, physically....but gotta make a point regarding a prior post.

It is generally thought in the West that Slavic women are easy, and fuck like rabbits. True about some of them - but, if I had to generalize, I'd say:

1) American girls, on average, start having sex at younger ages than Slavic women.

2) American girls have more sex partners than Slavic women.

3) One night stands are more common for American girls than Slavic women.

This is all in respect to non-working girls. The skewed vision comes from the P4P that is available in the Slavic world - young, hot, clean, educated girls available to older men for a fee (near non-existant in the US). This is in large part due to economic differences, but also due to mentality differences.

Getting totally free sex in the Slavic world, by a Western guy, is near impossible - despite what many ego-centric posters will go on about here. You may not pay a direct P4P fee - but you'll pay for expensive dinners, gifts, trips - something....unlike with American girls, where truly free sex can often occur. The main reason, as best I can describe it, is that Slavic women have a bit of a chip on their shoulders, and feel the need to get something from foreigners in exchange for sex - they feel cheated otherwise.

If you are around extensively, and can play the role of a standard boyfriend, then, of course, all that changes. But I'm talking quick, one-off encounters.

Just don't want new guys coming to the region to be dissapointed when they go out on the town, expecting to score easily, and end up falling flat on their face....

[The Beginner]

George, its all very odd to me. As you don't even read posts, only your own!

Where in all of my posts have I ever said I paid $300 for a girl here?

So you have been with your free girls for the last 2 years? And they are not hookers? So what do you want a medal?

RTFF before you post sweeping statements.

Enjoy my life? Maybe I will understand better? Man you are a joke. Those that know me and have met me know who I am and what I do.

Good looking guy? Congratulations, funny as most Greeks I have ever met thought they where good looking as well national trait is it?

George,

A man I respect greatly once said to me "if you had a greek on one side of you and a tiger on the other and only one bullet in your gun what would you do? Shoot the greek and take your chances with the tiger! "

Also said "lets face it, the greeks invented Greek style centuries ago and they have been fucking people up the arse one way or another ever since!"

[Fox7717]

My dear friend "back to pussy" byt not like stupid

I tell you for sure I don't fuck junkies, also I did not fuck hookers last 2-3 years, cause I have no reason anymore to pay for something as long as I speak some Russian and can pick up many freebies easy enought (2, 3 new girls/week)

I just tell you one more and the faster you get it, the better, the girl of 500$ you mentioned before is the same like the 0-50$ girl some Russian speaking, average guy fucks also you just overpaid the same girl, just like this you can pay her also 1000$ but the quality remain the same or many times worst than a freebie of 15-50$ (drinks or diner also)

Thats the one and only truth good luck.

Bully for you if you are knee deep in feebies as you claim.

Why do you feel the need to keep slagging off blokes who P4P ?

$50 or $1,000 it's THEIR choice!!!!

ISG is not for you and so best go somewhere else!

[Qjump]

I come from greece

If you want keep paying 300$ for every stupid low quality *****, if thats ok for you, I don't care if you keep going on

I don't do hookers lately, cause I am not sexturist, I have bussines here, ukraine and moldova, neither junkies

It is very easy to do it for free in this place called ucraina, you have to believe it

I go for normal freebies, very happy to be with a nice goodlooking guy, far better for their ucrain boyfriend, fuck them much better also,

I have no posibility to post up pictures, because these women I have been with last 2 years there are not hookers

I ll try to help you change, your stupid attitude in overpaid but you are a free man pal

Enjoy your way of life, maybe one day you will understand better.

George, its all very odd to me..... as you don't even read posts, only your own!
Where in all of my posts have I ever said I paid $300 for a girl here?
So you have been with your free girls for the last 2 years? and they are not hookers? so what do you want a medal?
RTFF before you post sweeping statements.
Enjoy my life? maybe I will understand better? man you are a joke....... those that know me and have met me know who I am and what I do.
Good looking guy? congratulations, funny as most Greeks I have ever met thought they where good looking as well national trait is it?

[George Red]

If some dude wants to pay $500+ to get his rocks off and another pay some (disgusting) 'druggie' $20.00 for a grotty BJ then THATS THEIR CHOICE!! All this endless bollox about 'ruining' the market for other mongers by 'overpaying' is just that.......bollox!

Back to pussy I say, which is what we're supposed to be here for!

My dear friend "back to pussy" byt not like stupid

I tell you for sure I don't fuck junkies, also I did not fuck hookers last 2-3 years, cause I have no reason anymore to pay for something as long as I speak some Russian and can pick up many freebies easy enought (2, 3 new girls/week)

I just tell you one more and the faster you get it, the better, the girl of 500$ you mentioned before is the same like the 0-50$ girl some Russian speaking, average guy fucks also you just overpaid the same girl, just like this you can pay her also 1000$ but the quality remain the same or many times worst than a freebie of 15-50$ (drinks or diner also)

Thats the one and only truth good luck.