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[M P Lurker]

3. Ratchada-Phisek Road near Huay-Khwang MRT

Important Soapy Massage Parlours at this location:

• Nataree*
• Colonze 2*
• Emmanuelle
• Caesars Entertainment
• Hi-Class
• Mirage

3.1. Nataree

3.1.1. Overview

Rating: Highly Recommended – Value for Money – Very popular with the Forum
Services: Soapie/Bath, Traditional Massage, Body Slide, Full Sex
Address: 167/17-20 Ratchadaphisek Rd. Bangkok
Between Emerald Hotel and HuayKhwang MRT (underground) Station Exit 3
Tel: +66 0-292-9144 - 8
Opening Hours: 13.00 – 24.00
Website:
Price: (Nov 2007) No Farang Surcharge!
Right Entrance: THB 2,000 for 2 hours B-course (body slide) with fish bowl girl all inclusive.
Sideline girls outside fishbowl: THB 2200, 2400, 2600, 3000 etc. for 1.5 Hours
Left Entrance: THB 800 for 2 hours Oil Massage, sex extra and negotiable

3.1.2. Recent Updates

3.1.3. General Info

This place is highly recommended for good value and young girls, although rooms can be a little run-down and some members have complained of only cold water for the bath. Others have not found this problem.
This is a mid-sized place but has a lot of girls, e.g. 50-70 girls is possible.
Most of the side-line girls are very young indeed and plenty of cuties. The fish bowl girls tend to be a little older (early 20s) but may give much better service due to experience. The cheer-persons or papasans make every effort to assist.

3.1.4. Basic structure of the service

Soapy bath with a naked girl, followed by massage or sex play on the bed, as normal. Sex play may commence in the bath. BBBJ available mostly.
There are two entrances.
The main (right) entrance is nearest to the MRT station and is the full sex included in the price service. Body slide massage (B-Course / Tora Massage) on a sudsy air mattress is available here but only from fish-bowl girls.
The left entrance is for Thai Traditional Massage or Oily Massage. The price here will not include sex. Extras can be negotiated with the girl however.

3.1.5. How to Get There

1. Take the MRT (underground rail) to Huay Kwang. Use Exit 3 (to South West). Nataree MP is only about 100 metres ahead (South) on the west side of Ratchadaphisek road, near Emerald Hotel and Subway Massage.
2. Catch a taxi to the Emerald Hotel. Its virtually next door.

3.1.6. Remarks

Some complaints about no hot water for the bath on occasions. Rooms could do with some renovation. This is not the most upmarket place around, but very good value for money.

3.1.7. Links to Recent Reports

Nov 2007:
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...375#post673375 RCA Knight
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...310#post673310 Canyon
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ree#post670595 Harris1
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ree#post667414 Leveller
Oct 2007:
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ree#post662441 Mick Licker
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ree#post661228 RCA Knight
Sep 2007:
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ree#post648828 Ralph Kramden

3.2. Colonze 2

3.2.1. Overview

Rating: Recommended – Value for Money – Popular with the Forum
Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage?, Special Gel Body Massage, Full Sex
Address: Crystal Hotel, 69 Soi Natong (Soi 7) Rachadaphisek Road, Bangkok 10400
Tel: +66 02-274-6441-6
Opening Hours: 13.00 – 24.00
Website: http://geocities.com/colonze2/ok.html
http://www.midnightthailand.com/colonze2 Pics and map.
Price: (Nov 2007) Fishbowl THB 1900 for 2 hours and 2200. No Farang Surcharge! VIP Room is extra. Extra THB 500 for Nuru Nuru Gel Massage. Sideline girls: THB 2600, 3000 etc.

3.2.2. Recent Updates

3.2.3. General Info

This place is recommended for good value, good quality girls and a reasonably upmarket establishment. This is a mid-sized place and may have perhaps 15 to 25 girls available.

3.2.4. Basic structure of the service

Soapy bath with a naked girl, followed by massage or sex play on the bed, as normal. Sex play may commence in the bath. BBBJ available mostly.
Some fish bowl girls (with G Nos.) do Nuru Nuru Gel Massage, like a sudsy body-slide on an air mattress, but with a slippery Japanese-style seaweed gel. There is extra charge for this.

3.2.5. How to Get There

1. Take the MRT (underground rail) to Huay Kwang. Use Exit 3 (to South West). Walk South on the west side of Ratchadaphisek road, past Emerald Hotel and across a khlong (canal) to Soi 7 at the 2nd overpass footbridge down from Huay Kwang MRT station. Turned right and walked about 150 meters to Crystal Hotel and Colonze II MP.
2. Catch a taxi to the Crystal Hotel.
3. Take the MRT (underground rail) to Thai Cultural Centre. Walk past CarreFour, Home Pro and Robinson. Turn left at first corner Soi 7. Walk to Crystal Hotel.

3.2.6. Remarks

Horn Toad reports that is is “hit or miss” with ability of girls. Some excellent, with others average.

3.2.7. Links to Recent Reports

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...nze#post648728 Sep 2007: AsiaTraveller2
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...nze#post636768
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...nze#post636394 Aug 2007: Azur1639
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...nze#post620446 July 2007: Hong Konger
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...nze#post460899 May 2006: Horn Toad

3.3. Emmanuelle
Coming soon.

3.4. Caesars Entertainment
Coming soon.

3.5. Mirage
Coming soon.

3.6. Hi-Class
Coming soon.

Mick

[M P Lurker]

Introduction to Soapy/Bath Massage Parlours (Aap Op Nuat)

This report gives an overview about "Soapy" Massage Parlours (MPs), also known as Turkish Bath Houses or Aap Op Nuat in Thai. This is intended to be an extension to Giotto’s Sukhumvit MP List, and therefore his report approach is imitated somewhat.

As there are many Soapy venues, it will not be possible for me to try them all regularly, and my opinions would be biased anyway, so I will be relying on reports from forum members about these places, to help to form up to date information (if possible). I would particularly like to hear from forum members on how much they paid and how they rated the girls, rooms, and other staff, what they received, and whether they would repeat with same girl or a different girl.

For ratings I will try to assess how popular the venue, number of reports, numbers of girls, prices, whether venue is suited to Thais or Farangs (non-Asians), and ease of getting there. Nearest MRT (underground rail) or BTS (Skytrain) stations will be specified where relevant.

The reports will be divided up by district where the MPs are located, rather than by Type of service. Links to recent forum reports on specific venues will be provided.

This Introduction report is divided into sections:
1. Bangkok Soapy Massage Districts
2. Services at a Soapy Massage Parlour
3. General Tips about Soapy Massage Parlours
4. Useful Website Links
5. Acknowledgements to Forum Members with Major Contributions

1. Bangkok Soapy Massage Districts

Recommended MPs will be shown in Bold type and an asterisk will mean recommended due to exceptionally good pricing for westerners.

1.1. Sukhumvit Road (Sukhumwit)

Just the Soapies:

• Annies
• Darling Turkish Bath House
• Chavalla II
• Chavalla III

See Giottos MP list: October 2007 MP List Update, or go directly to one of the three parts of interest to you:

• Part 1 - Intro / Soapy/Bath places
• Part 2 - Oily Massage
• Part 3 - Theme Massage Places/Epilogue

1.2. Ratchada-Phisek Road near to Suthisan MRT

• Poseidon Entertainment Complex - Venus Showcase (2nd Fl)
• Copa Cabana / Barbara
• Marilyn

1.3. Ratchada-Phisek Road near Huay-Khwang MRT

• Nataree*
• Colonze 2*
• Emmanuelle
• Caesars Entertainment
• Hi-Class
• Mirage

1.4. Asoke/Din-Daeng (Rama 9 MRT) Intersection

• Long Beach (ex-Honolulu Love Boat Club)
• New Cleopatra
• Utopia Entertainment
• Amsterdam (ex-Champs Elysees)

1.5. Rama 9

• La Defense (ex-Juliana)
• Catherine*
• Colonze 1
• Victorias Secret

1.6. New Petchburi Road (near Sukhumvit Soi 3)

• Plaza Entertainment Level 2 (Sherbert)
• Cupidy (PE Level 1)
• Delia (DeLila?) (PE Level 6)
• Oscar/Vilunda/Angara
• Halem
• Atami (closed)

1.7. New Petchburi Road (Asoke to Soi Soon Wijai)

• Mona Lisa
• New York
• Petch Siam
• Christina
• Saiphon (Sai Fon)
• PornPetch
• Bangkok Cozy
• Riviera
• Hawaii
• Angelina
• New Stella/Zodiac (closed)

1.8. Pattanakan Road (far end of New Petchaburi road)

• Meree
• Evita Massage
• Biwa Café
• Nancy
• Tarawadee Resort & Spa (ex-Osaka)

1.9. Sri-Ayuthaya Road

• J-One Café (J1 - ChaoPhraya I)
• ChaoPhraya II* (CP2)
• Chavalla I

1.10. Patchaburi Road at Uruphong Junction

• Bacara Massage
• S.Botan (PP Cafe)

1.11. Silom/PatPong/Rama IV Area

• Versailles
• Sahara Sauna
• Ogoto Massage
• Infinity JC Patpong

1.12. Phra Pin Klao – Thonburi (west) side of Chaophraya river

• Snow White
• Valentine Massage
• Chao Phraya III*
• Hadpattayanana Massage

1.13. Chinatown

• Texas Cafe & Massage
• Harlem

2. Services at a Soapy Massage Parlour

A soapy massage parlour can be a large multi-story entertainment complex in some cases. The basic service consists of the customer selecting a girl from a seated line up, sometimes behind a very large glass window or panel (known as a fish-bowl or fish-tank). The girl then takes the customer to a private room where he is very thoroughly bathed by the girl with the girl often taking off her clothes to join him in the large bath. After cleaning is complete, they then migrate to the bed or table for massage and special services including sex.

The girls may be divided into different sections or classifications and have different prices. Sections might be: Super-stars (normal girls), side-line (more expensive), VIP or Models section (More money), B-course (body slide), Ancient Healing Massage, with the last two sections not present at every establishment. However be aware that not all girls available at MPs are expert at real massage.

Some establishments have a section of girls fully trained in “Ancient Thai Healing Massage” (real massage) in Thai known as nuat pan borarn . These masseuses may not offer full sex at some venues, or may offer it for an extra fee. At some venues, all girls may be fully massage trained.

Some venues provide a special form of erotic massage known as “B course”, “body slide”, or “tora”. In this form of massage, the man lies naked on a blow-up plastic air mattress. The naked girl covers him with warm sudsy slippery gel and then slides all over him, using her softer parts such as breasts, bottom, thighs to do the massaging of his entire body. This stimulation is usually guaranteed to cause prompt erection. Usually girls providing this form of massage are voluptuous or at least large breasted. They may receive slightly higher payment as the body-slide is tiring. The following web site still pictures may explain better than words: www.soapymassage.com/main.html

Watch out that “tora” sounds like dtoh-lar spoken by Thais and sounds very similar to dar-rah which just means “star” (or really an ordinary girl who doesn’t do body-slide.

Large entertainment complexes may include: restaurants, bars, karaoke, singers and comedians performing on stage, etc.

3. General Tips about Soapy Massage Parlours

3.1. Arriving by Taxi to a Soapy MP is not advised at certain locations where the Taxi is paid commission for taking you there. You will then be charged a much higher rip-off price to cover what the adviser and taxi-driver will split between them. For these venues, you can take the taxi to a very close Hotel, for example, and then walk the remainder.

3.2. Out the front of the girls are “advisers” or “cheer-persons”, sometimes called papasans or mamasans, who quote the prices and give advice about which girl should be chosen. They do not always give reliable advice. Some may quote rip-off prices to tourists/newbies at some venues. Some receive commissions or kick-backs from girls who they recommend. Who can give the adviser a small tip (if they have given good advice – after your session is safest) as this is how they make their money. Don’t tip for bad advice. Often its best to consider which girls you personally like first and ask the adviser if you are unsure. Perhaps you would like to know what her figure is like or are the breasts real or fake and what size. Don’t allow the adviser to push you to a girl that isn’t your type.

3.3. Some MPs have a special extra surcharge for non-asian customers. This can be 500 Baht, 1000 Baht, or even 1500 Baht. The girl will probably receive only half of the surcharge. The reason for it is unclear. Some venues try to discourage rif-raf foreigners unless they are well healed. Some venues believe foreigners can afford to pay more. Others may consider that girls are at more risk of being hurt by foreigners with extra large dicks but this doesn’t explain why the girl doesn’t receive the whole surcharge.

3.4. Choosing a girl with who you will have the right chemistry is a bit of a gamble and even experienced mongers can have bad luck choosing a below average girl on occasions. Girls who put on an “act” are risky.

3.5. It can be difficult to assess a girls figure while she is sitting down. Push-up bras can make her tits look bigger. Plenty of girls have silicone implants.

3.6. Some parlour girls don’t have much English. Varies by venue.

3.7. Its quite possible to obtain the cell-phone number of a MP girl or a cheer-person so that you can check when a particular girl is working. I maintain P4P phone numbers in my monger-SIM in my cheap monger-cellphone. This phone is only switched on when I choose.

3.8. It is normally expected that you will pay for your own and one lady drink in the room shortly after you enter. Drink waitresses rely on small tips to make a living.

3.9. At many Soapy MPs, the price, e.g. 1800 Baht is all inclusive, meaning that you get sex as well. However if the price is around 500 Baht, it is likely to be a massage price only. The girl will then expect an extra tip for sex of possibly 1000 Baht which should be discussed to avoid misunderstanding. A blow job would usually be cheaper and a hand relief, cheaper still. A girl will probably receive half of an all inclusive price, or even less if she has to split with an agent. So extra tips are appreciated by the girls. Give extra tips for good service or where negotiated for sex that was not included in original price.

4. Useful Website Links

www.soapy-massage.com
http://www.bangkokcompanies.com/cate...anies_p752.htm but quite old information.
www.ilikemassage.com Unfortunately this web site is in Thai Language
www.midnightthailand.com another site in Thai Language
The following links are disabled deliberately by inserting asterisks:
www.bangk*ktonight.com/massage
www.privatebangk*k.com/category/massage

5. Acknowledgements to Forum Members with Major Contributions by detailed postings

• “Giotto”who maintains the Sukhumvit List of MPs and always willing to help.
• “AsiaTraveller2”
• “Nic Frenchy”
• “RCA Knight”
• “Traveller1234”
• “Undercoverh”

Mick Licker

[Giotto]

Guys
I would like to point out that in no way am I complaining. Actually, although I have never met Giotto i have the utmost respect for him. Having read his forum there is next to nothing by way of complaint.

It was just my bad-luck, and Giotto doesn't control the weather....
...

Daring Mood,

Thanks, and I did not understand that as a complaint. It was simply correct what you wrote.

Still too busy with the aftermaths of that incident, but I will not forget to check your invoice.

In any case: Come to have a beer with me when you are in Bangkok next time.


Giotto

[Daring Mood]

Guys
I would like to point out that in no way am I complaining. Actually, although I have never met Giotto i have the utmost respect for him. Having read his forum there is next to nothing by way of complaint.

It was just my bad-luck, and Giotto doesn't control the weather....

Cheers
Daring Mood

[Giotto]

I think you should have been entitled for some sort of discount since there was no water or electricity.
...

Horntoad,

That is correct, my opinion, too.


Giotto

[Giotto]

...
Anyway this time nothing seeemed to go right for me.
First, the fecking plane arrived late Sunday night, and when I called the Lodge they told me they had not received my booking, so with no Superior rooms available I opted for a Baht 2,600 a night room.
...
Baht 2,600 had turned into about Baht 3,500 (if i recall correctly), the extras being two Heinekens and breakfast.. Didnt have time to check...(I wouldn't expect to be overcharged for anything, as this would appear to be a fine establishment, and Giotto's reputation is his business).
...

Daring Mood,

I need to go into details, besides the power/water problem.

Reservation: If we had no reservation then the usual problem is that we did not get your CONFIRMED booking for some reasons, may be because you did not want to send the cc number. I would like to check that, and would appreciate of you send me your name or the room number in which you stayed that day - as PM.

I am well aware of the cc number problem, sending it via E-mail - but if we would not request that the hotel would be completely booked every day, and only half of the guests would show up. Sad - but that's the way it obviously is.

Room charge - it looks to me that they charged THB 900 late check-out for the day without electricity and water - and of course our front desk staff should not have done that. This charges are entered already when the late check-out request comes, so it was probably done already the night before.

I could not be everywhere that day, it was quite busy. But I will check, and if something was wrong there the money will be returned to you.

Sorry again, but that day was chaos pure, and we tried to do our best. This was obviously not good enough in your case.


Giotto

[Horntoad]

Read a lot of good stuff on this forum about the Lodge. Indeed I stayed there about 18 months ago.

Anyway this time nothing seeemed to go right for me.
First, the fecking plane arrived late Sunday night, and when I called the Lodge they told me they had not received my booking, so with no Superior rooms available I opted for a Baht 2,600 a night room. Arrived there at 1.00am Monday morning to find that it was Buddah's birthday. No beer or alcohol of any type to be served. The bar was empty except for two girls playing pool with their partners. So I went to bed. I awoke at about 8.00am to pouring rain, i mean it was bucketing down. Looking out the window there was a sudden, very loud bang as, right in front of my eyes across the road, lightening struck the transformer providing electricity to the Lodge. It just exploded.
Suddenly no electricity, and no water (I guess the water system runs on electricity), and it was really seriously hot. This was turning out to be a bit of a disaster.
Sweaty and smelly I had two Heinekin beers.
By mid-day no electricity, unable to shower, and had to leave for the airport... for a 26 hour journey back to Europe.

Baht 2,600 had turned into about Baht 3,500 (if i recall correctly), the extras being two Heinekens and breakfast.. Didnt have time to check...(I wouldn't expect to be overcharged for anything, as this would appear to be a fine establishment, and Giotto's reputation is his business).
..............
and that was my trip to BKK. No drink no women, and no shower. On the way back to China in September I guess I will just transit through the airport.

By the way, really warm staff and the room from what I could see of it was well decorated.

Daring Mood

I think you should have been entitled for some sort of discount since there was no water or electricity. I stayed at another boutique hotel in Bangkok and when I pointed out there was something wrong, it was immediately taken care of and I got a discount on my bill without asking. I end up referrring my friends and due to the excellent customer service I have gotten.

As for not getting your reservation, I always print out a confirmation and if they are out of the room I want, they usually upgrade.

Hope you have a better experience next time.

[Giotto]

Read a lot of good stuff on this forum about the Lodge. Indeed I stayed there about 18 months ago.

Anyway this time nothing seeemed to go right for me.
First, the fecking plane arrived late Sunday night, and when I called the Lodge they told me they had not received my booking, so with no Superior rooms available I opted for a Baht 2,600 a night room. Arrived there at 1.00am Monday morning to find that it was Buddah's birthday. No beer or alcohol of any type to be served. The bar was empty except for two girls playing pool with their partners. So I went to bed. I awoke at about 8.00am to pouring rain, i mean it was bucketing down. Looking out the window there was a sudden, very loud bang as, right in front of my eyes across the road, lightening struck the transformer providing electricity to the Lodge. It just exploded.
Suddenly no electricity, and no water (I guess the water system runs on electricity), and it was really seriously hot. This was turning out to be a bit of a disaster.
Sweaty and smelly I had two Heinekin beers.
By mid-day no electricity, unable to shower, and had to leave for the airport... for a 26 hour journey back to Europe.
...

Daring Mode,

Yes, correct - and sorry again.

I just write all the story down, will be in the stories section later.


Giotto

[Daring Mood]

Read a lot of good stuff on this forum about the Lodge. Indeed I stayed there about 18 months ago.

Anyway this time nothing seeemed to go right for me.
First, the fecking plane arrived late Sunday night, and when I called the Lodge they told me they had not received my booking, so with no Superior rooms available I opted for a Baht 2,600 a night room. Arrived there at 1.00am Monday morning to find that it was Buddah's birthday. No beer or alcohol of any type to be served. The bar was empty except for two girls playing pool with their partners. So I went to bed. I awoke at about 8.00am to pouring rain, i mean it was bucketing down. Looking out the window there was a sudden, very loud bang as, right in front of my eyes across the road, lightening struck the transformer providing electricity to the Lodge. It just exploded.
Suddenly no electricity, and no water (I guess the water system runs on electricity), and it was really seriously hot. This was turning out to be a bit of a disaster.
Sweaty and smelly I had two Heinekin beers.
By mid-day no electricity, unable to shower, and had to leave for the airport... for a 26 hour journey back to Europe.

Baht 2,600 had turned into about Baht 3,500 (if i recall correctly), the extras being two Heinekens and breakfast.. Didnt have time to check...(I wouldn't expect to be overcharged for anything, as this would appear to be a fine establishment, and Giotto's reputation is his business).
..............
and that was my trip to BKK. No drink no women, and no shower. On the way back to China in September I guess I will just transit through the airport.

By the way, really warm staff and the room from what I could see of it was well decorated.

Daring Mood

[Giotto]

...Just like to say thanks to everyone at the Lodge who made my time there recently most enjoyable.

Everyone was happy and helpful, the rooms spotless, and the food added to my already expanding waistline.
...

Rubberyman,

Thanks, i will let the staff know.

Thanks for staying at Livingstone's Lodge.

Have a safe trip home, and come back asap.


Giotto

[Rubberyman]

Hi,

Just like to say thanks to everyone at the Lodge who made my time there recently most enjoyable.

Everyone was happy and helpful, the rooms spotless, and the food added to my already expanding waistline.

All the best.

Rubberyman.

[Giotto]

I found this place on the internet

RMP Thai Massage Spa Therapy foot sports & oil massages Bangkok > Address: 12/7 soi sukhumvit 33 wattana bangkok thailand 10110 - Email: rmpexp@yahoo com – Phone bangkok Int: +66 22598186 - Local Phone: 022598186 Bangkok.
http://rmpthaimassage.com/

Hot Lover,

Ouch, yes, down the road - that is a "catholic" place, I don't think that there are any extras available.


Giotto

[Hot Lover]

Hot Lover,

I don't even know where it is...aehhh, where is it?

Giotto

I found this place on the internet

RMP Thai Massage Spa Therapy foot sports & oil massages Bangkok > Address: 12/7 soi sukhumvit 33 wattana bangkok thailand 10110 - Email: rmpexp@yahoo com – Phone bangkok Int: +66 22598186 - Local Phone: 022598186 Bangkok.
http://rmpthaimassage.com/

[Giotto]

...
Already had a couple of drinks with Nimh (?Sp). Unfortunately she is prettier.
...

Rubberyman,

OK, OK, I hate you, too !


Giotto

[Giotto]

Hi Giotto,

What are you comments to RMP massage. Do the girls provide full service, if on outcall and what tips to they expect for the service.

Hot Lover,

I don't even know where it is...aehhh, where is it?


Giotto