Outing: I supported a Thai Bar Girl

[Giotto]

...I really enjoy reading the stories about the various supports you guys have done,and might still do.maybe I sit down one day and put together my own escapades.....

Killroy,

come on, do it - now.


Giotto

[Killroy]

Old Thai Hand,

Thanks for your story.

I have exactly the same experiences with Thai women in this kind of relationships. It is many times not about the big money, it is about being supported for their daily needs - and it is seen as a kind of taking over responsibility, even if it is only small money. Usually I got much more back from the girls in those cases.


Giotto

Yes Giotto you're right many of the girls are happy for the small contribution you do for them.
I have been with my Mrs for 3 years now and if I count what I spent on her during this time,it's far less then I would have spent on a western woman in 1 year..

It's amaising what you get back from the girl considering what it will cost you.

I really enjoy reading the stories about the various supports you guys have done,and might still do.maybe I sit down one day and put together my own escapades.....

[Giotto]

I always agreed. I just wanted to maintain my status as the contrary curmudgeon. But, I've decided to blow my own cover. BTW, though, I only give my GF 5,000/month (she only asked me for 3000) and she's happy with that. Of course, it will eventually go up. But, it's still cheaper and a better experience in every way, than pouring money into P4P. I consider it an investment. What you get from this, that you don't get in P4P because the money is already expected is what I like to call, "gratitude sex". If I didn't give anything, I'd still get sex. But, of course giving a bit of money goes a long way in ensuring my "jai dee" status.
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Old Thai Hand,

Thanks for your story.

I have exactly the same experiences with Thai women in this kind of relationships. It is many times not about the big money, it is about being supported for their daily needs - and it is seen as a kind of taking over responsibility, even if it is only small money. Usually I got much more back from the girls in those cases.


Giotto

[Giotto]

I deleted my post. Don't want to upset you.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Old Thai Hand,

Apologies. My first try to moderate a thread failed. Obviously the wrong ones get the message and others not.

For that the following statement:

This is a thread about a sensitive issue, and I am impressed about the guys who have the courage to tell us their stories here. I already mentioned in the Announcement thread that I will not tolerate any attacks on guys writing in this thread, any offensive reports will be deleted.

I decided to do exactly this now and deleted the offending sequence of reports.


Giotto

[Old Thai Hand]

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I deleted my post. Don't want to upset you.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Giotto]

So call me a fool and sucker but I can afford this without concerns and have spent 2-4 weeks in BKK for 5 years each Xmas and have had many "relationships" none would even come close to the comfortable feeling had by me with this WG. Majestic Suites counter girls questioned my taste! But she just fit well with a 20 year single man! Even if its just a illusion. I need it while I still want too! If you know what I mean!

You and your Friends at Livingstones are the reason I tune in Everyday! To see whats going to be said next! Must get the courage to try something new like "SOI 33"
Im sorry to put you through this "Im not such a good writer"

Will be in BKK Nov 25, Will visit the lodge then.

Rikusa,

Thanks for your report. Nobody will call you a fool or a sucker. BTW: most likely I would have done the same thing you did. And - you also did the right thing stopping the payments ...

I like your expression "illusion". And if this illusion sometimes costs a bit, and we can afford it - who cares.

And thanks for reading our forum.

See you then in Livingstone's Lodge soon!


Giotto

[Zing23]

This thread is a great idea and the theme is universal, not just about Thailand!

My story: I started mongering in Sept 05, twice a week with Latinas at the 7 legal brothels in St. Maarten. I have given many girls my disposable cell # and disposable email address, but only one has asked me for anything serious so far.

I think I led her on. Generally the girls are from Dominican Republic or Colombia and far from home, don't speak the local language, don't know many people in St Maarten. In other words, they have little power, and they usually go home in 3 months.

But I like to do nice things for the girls. I try to limit myself to thoughtful gestures/gifts with no monetary value (copies of music cds, printouts of news from home, cute little teddy bears, etc.). But I sometimes can't help myself and buy them boomboxes, watches, etc. THis is not a new trend - with a girl friend that I lived with once, I put up the money for a house and put it in her name (but I got a mortgage and she always made the payments and when she sold it 5 years later, I got my money back).

With this girl, she said she REALLY wanted a video camera. So I got her one, a most extravagant gift for a working girl. Later, when she was desperate because there were no tourists in St Maarten and therefore not much money or customers, she told me about her terrible situation at home in Santo Domingo. It was probably all true - I could see that most of the girls were getting frantic from lack of income and continuing expenses!

She talked about getting $2000 to build her own shack so she could move out from her mother/brothers/etc. After another 10 days of being unable to send any money home, she said terrible things would happen if she did not send $500 home soon.

It wasn't really my problem, but I had created expectations with the video camera gift. I gave her the $500 and I don't plan to see her again, even though she is still in St Maarten until Christmas. I have made lots of charitable donations of that amount, and that is how I thought of this one. But I just can't see continuing to visit her and put up with her problems, when there are dozens of other girls who deal with their own problems! I will try to avoid the "big gift" mistake in the future...

-zing

[Merlin Magician]

"Originally Posted by Old Thai Hand
...Once the floodgates are open, expect to be asked for more and more as time wears on. If a Thai girl (and I mean all Thai girls, not just BGs) knows you'll give her money once, she'll try to tap you again and again. It doesn'y matter if she's HiSo, LoSo, MidSo, NoSo or HoSo. She'll do it. They are born with this. It is part of their genes. ..."

It's not just Thai girls. It's all girls of all nationalities.

More justification for our chosen sport of endless, meaningless, debauchery.

[Excess]

They have the bodies and the youth, we have the money.

Very very true,Thor93.

The eternal and inevitable question is which (bodies, youth, money) will run out first.

[Thor93]

Eventually even with non P4P Thai girls, the question comes down to whether you are going to take care of them or not. I suppose if you find a truly wealthy Thai girl, the question may never arise. But for the vast majority, most of us on this forum have far more resources than the average Thai girl we meet. They have the bodies and the youth, we have the money.

I have had conversations about this with my Thai gf (with whom I am now in reconciliation mode after my latest adventures). She reminds me the Thai way (her words, not mine) is that the man takes care of the woman. The amount of money is not as important as the principle. The man shows his love by taking care of the woman. Pure and simple.

P4P girls just make it happen faster and more directly. Plus they usually don't make you feel guilty about fooling around elsewhere. And I guess that is one thing we pay for.

[Piper1]

A timely reminder. Made me laugh.
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...chmentid=56689

[Old Thai Hand]

Old Thai Hand,

Run! To a doctor! You must have high fever ... or do we finally completely agree about the general attitude of Thai women reg. money ?


Giotto

I always agreed. I just wanted to maintain my status as the contrary curmudgeon. But, I've decided to blow my own cover. BTW, though, I only give my GF 5,000/month (she only asked me for 3000) and she's happy with that. Of course, it will eventually go up. But, it's still cheaper and a better experience in every way, than pouring money into P4P. I consider it an investment. What you get from this, that you don't get in P4P because the money is already expected is what I like to call, "gratitude sex". If I didn't give anything, I'd still get sex. But, of course giving a bit of money goes a long way in ensuring my "jai dee" status.
I've only been taken advantage of once in 10 years and ironically it wasn't a conniving bargirl with a sob-story, but a former student of mine with whom I was close friends for 4 years before I ever gave her a baht. We got involved after all that time of knowing each other, and before it was over, I'd given her 225,000 in 9 months. She then left Thailand to work for Carnival Cruise Lines in Florida, and swore she'd pay me back. But, she basically disappeared and I never heard from her again. There is a posibility she died in the Tsunami because she was in Khao Lak with her parents when it hit there. That may explain why I never heard from her again. But, I don't know if I believe that.

Anyway, I'm pretty cautious now as to what I will commit to financially with any TG.

[Buzz00]

Giotto,

I would also stick my neck out to say that if with the right Thai lady I am sure that you get more bang ( excuse the pun) for your buck.

You are right by saying that the Thai lady's ploy of getting money out of us has become an optimised operation but I have given less money to Thai ladies and received more, than from some the western witches I have the bad fortune of coming across. It seems to be quite new for a Thai lady to have access to decent money (thanks to us farang) that once upon a time she could only dream about. I am sure that even if the Thai lady did not come up with all their adventurous stories, we, the farang, would still rush to give them our money.


I would rather wait for my LOS trips then waste money time and effort on the fruitless investment in non-asian women that just don't do it for me anymore.

And the next time I do hope do spend some time at what seems to be a famous Livingstone Lodge.

[Giotto]

...There are women scammers the world over, not that I am justifying what some of the Thai ladies do and I have yet to send money to anyone.In short my snob ex-American/Israeli witch cost me $10,000.- in less than a year, food,hotels, gas, presents and overseas trips. And I was like a lamb that went willingly to the slaughter.

Is what Thai women do so bad in the big picture ? Is it just that we lose all sensibility when with Thai women, like drinking a heady aphrodisiac, because we would definitely not get the same at home.
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Buzz00,

Thanks, it is one of the small standard stories many guys experience when they come to Thailand.

I agree that you can find a similar behavior of women all over the world, but it seams to me that Thai women have somehow optimized that procedure .

In general I agree with you - it is the way they ask for money. If it seams honest to me, and they don't tell me stories about sick parents, motorbike accidents and water buffolos I do what makes me feel good. It's just a bit money.

If I have my doubts on their story, if I feel that I get ripped off - I am out of the game.


Giotto

[Giotto]

...Once the floodgates are open, expect to be asked for more and more as time wears on. If a Thai girl (and I mean all Thai girls, not just BGs) knows you'll give her money once, she'll try to tap you again and again. It doesn'y matter if she's HiSo, LoSo, MidSo, NoSo or HoSo. She'll do it. They are born with this. It is part of their genes. ...

Old Thai Hand,

Run! To a doctor! You must have high fever ... or do we finally completely agree about the general attitude of Thai women reg. money ?


Giotto