Cheap Sex in China

[SE Asia Joe]

I haven't been to Zhuhai since 2007, is prostitution not available in Gongbei District there anymore? Back then you just had to stroll along the streets in the evening and basically have girls on the street begging to be taken by you, there were also lots of unpleasant pimp/mafia types patrolling there.

Like I said, things change rapidly in China and the situation is always fluid.

Read the Zhuhai thread to see what's been happening of late there. It's been high and dry for at least a month there.

SEAJ

[Phil1980]

even Zhuhai I fear RIGHT NOW - transforms from Monger Central to another form literally overnight.

I haven't been to Zhuhai since 2007, is prostitution not available in Gongbei District there anymore? Back then you just had to stroll along the streets in the evening and basically have girls on the street begging to be taken by you, there were also lots of unpleasant pimp/mafia types patrolling there.

[Phil1980]

Where is the absolute cheapest pussy in China to be found?

I've had several girls for 100 RMB in Hainan (not Haikou, but some poor smaller cities), if you're Chinese I'm sure it's cheaper though. The Vietnamese border is also supposed to be cheap, I guess more remote places generally are. Handjob in Wuhan is 30 RMB, you can look at the girl spreading her pussy and ahole, let her make some fake moaning noises and masturbate yourself to that for the same price if that's enough pussy for you as well.

[South Gate]

Lets enjoy and see how things pan out.

The wonderful thing about this forum is that I see many instances when guys would just agree to disagree; and I think this is one such instance.




Like I said, we have to agree to disagree and I do hope that you are right, but..........

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

When we think of China we often think of super cheap consumer goods and cheap pussy. Where is the absolute cheapest pussy in China to be found? Anyone fucked a farmer's daughter for the price of a happy meal?

YUP.... you would be the one to think of cheap consumer goods and cheap pussy when you think of China..... and keep on thinking and thinking and thinking about it - instead of actually going out there to do "it"

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

The wonderful thing about this forum is that I see many instances when guys would just agree to disagree; and I think this is one such instance.

Perhaps you are right Joe but I think and hope you are wrong.

All of your arguments can be refuted.

For example, one clear solution to the problem of party and government officials not having a salary sufficient to support a mistress and therefore having to take bribes is to raise their salary. US governors and senators dont need to take bribes to have mistresses, do they?

You and I both know that this is ain't gonna happen. As many bureaucrats and village heads and mayor and PLA generals and PSB chiefs other assorted minor officials that China has, there is no way that government salaries could ever rise to the point where it would be a deterrent from the fabulous amounts of money in curruption. For "Singapore" to happen in China - I think only our grandchildren can even hope to see happen.

Whether a country needs prostitution to generate revenues is not a tie breaker. Germany has lots of pros and would continue to economically thrive without them.

Ahhhhh....yessss!!!
But how much do you pay in Germany??!!

THAT.... is what I said. Prostitution will never be totally eradicated anywhere in the world - just managed better to make sure it does not become an embarrasment or source of other problems

Higher wages for factory workers is a reason that they may frequent pros more not less frequently.

More men than women in China means that to sustain the same amount of sexual activity per man, women have to fuck with multiple partners.

Hey!!! This is a GREAT method for putting forth your side of the argument; the Tail wagging the dog!!

Gotta remember this next time I get into a discusssion!!

Time will tell. However, time is on my side of this argument. Despite the truth in your contention that there have been puritanical drives in Chinese history before Communism (ie Taiping Rebellion), most of Chinese history is filled with polyamory and polygamy. Pearl S Buck's Pulitzer prize winning novel, The Good Earth, recounts the life of an honest but horny farmer named Wang who had several mistresses besides his wife. And Pearl S Buck was a Christian missionary, not a monger like myself.

I certainly hope that you are correct and that time IS going to be on your side. I for one hate that all of this is going to go away.

But things changes rapidly in China - which is the original reason why I thought that that Armchair pundit's C+P is not warranted and misleading. And I've seen how places like Hainan island, ShaTsui village in Shenzhen - even Zhuhai I fear RIGHT NOW - transforms from Monger Central to another form literally overnight.

And don't forget, prior to 1978, prostitution was PRACTICALLY eradicated in China..... under The communist government and might... the same government that still governs China. Hell, even in 1985 when I first started coming to China, it was still very much a cat and mouse game.

Like I said, we have to agree to disagree and I do hope that you are right, but..........

SEAJ

[South Gate]

Perhaps you are right Joe but I think and hope you are wrong.

All of your arguments can be refuted.

For example, one clear solution to the problem of party and government officials not having a salary sufficient to support a mistress and therefore having to take bribes is to raise their salary. US governors and senators dont need to take bribes to have mistresses, do they?

Whether a country needs prostitution to generate revenues is not a tie breaker. Germany has lots of pros and would continue to economically thrive without them.

Higher wages for factory workers is a reason that they may frequent pros more not less frequently.

More men than women in China means that to sustain the same amount of sexual activity per man, women have to fuck with multiple partners.

Time will tell. However, time is on my side of this argument. Despite the truth in your contention that there have been puritanical drives in Chinese history before Communism (ie Taiping Rebellion), most of Chinese history is filled with polyamory and polygamy. Pearl S Buck's Pulitzer prize winning novel, The Good Earth, recounts the life of an honest but horny farmer named Wang who had several mistresses besides his wife. And Pearl S Buck was a Christian missionary, not a monger like myself.

I totally totally do not agree with this statement.

There are several reasons why prostitution is going to be tolerated less and less in China:

A. The link between Prostitution and control of the communist party
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...sear_year=2009
excerpt from this article -"...Officials are being told to dump their mistresses, avoid hostess bars and shun extravagances as part of the Communist Party's efforts to clamp down on the corruption that is threatening its rule and sullying its reputation...."

and
".....Morality drives date back long before the Communist Party seized power in 1949, but the current one seems to stem more from a recognition that rampant corruption threatens to undermine the party's authority and permanently warp the nation's value system. ..."

B. China does not need prostitution as a revenue generator – the main engine for growth in China had been industry. Prostitution WAS allowed to flourish to not only satisfy the needs of the local populace, but also to give in (just a bit) to the demand equation from foreign investors who needs to be in China for long stretches of time running factories etc. I wrote WAS, as of late, there just has been too many scandals associated with prostitution and the vast coverage of such in the domestic as well as International press makes it untenable for the Communist party to tolerate this for much longer.

C. With wealth and higher standards of living, comes also the “I am better than that” attitude.” Factory workers used to make less than RMB500/month just two, three or so years ago – now,(when the exchange rate has come down from RMB8.26:US$1 to 6.75:1) - factory owners are having a hard time getting anybody to work for them for less than RMB1,300 or even 1,500/month. This plus the fact that there is now just too many xiaojies on the street has made prostitution comparatively unattractive.

D. Demographics – like it or not, there IS a sex imbalance and there is just too damn many Chinese guys.

Yes, prostitution in China, as it is elsewhere, is never going to be totally eradicated – but the days of such cheap and rampant availability of sexual services is numbered.

IMHO

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

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The "illegality" of p4p sex in China, like so many "illegalities" is a relic from the Communist era. According to communism, p4p sex or even sex outside of monogamous marriage was an aberration from feudal society. Those communist days are gone and the law will change with time. China is returning to its natural historical position as a country where polyamorous relationships flourished. Unless some religion like Christianity or Islam takes hold here (and I doubt that this will happen in a really big way), relatively uninhibited sex including multiple partners, prostitution, second wives, etc will continue to be very available.

I totally totally do not agree with this statement.

There are several reasons why prostitution is going to be tolerated less and less in China:

A. The link between Prostitution and control of the communist party
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...sear_year=2009
excerpt from this article -"...Officials are being told to dump their mistresses, avoid hostess bars and shun extravagances as part of the Communist Party's efforts to clamp down on the corruption that is threatening its rule and sullying its reputation...."

and
".....Morality drives date back long before the Communist Party seized power in 1949, but the current one seems to stem more from a recognition that rampant corruption threatens to undermine the party's authority and permanently warp the nation's value system. ..."

B. China does not need prostitution as a revenue generator – the main engine for growth in China had been industry. Prostitution WAS allowed to flourish to not only satisfy the needs of the local populace, but also to give in (just a bit) to the demand equation from foreign investors who needs to be in China for long stretches of time running factories etc. I wrote WAS, as of late, there just has been too many scandals associated with prostitution and the vast coverage of such in the domestic as well as International press makes it untenable for the Communist party to tolerate this for much longer.

C. With wealth and higher standards of living, comes also the “I am better than that” attitude.” Factory workers used to make less than RMB500/month just two, three or so years ago – now,(when the exchange rate has come down from RMB8.26:US$1 to 6.75:1) - factory owners are having a hard time getting anybody to work for them for less than RMB1,300 or even 1,500/month. This plus the fact that there is now just too many xiaojies on the street has made prostitution comparatively unattractive.

D. Demographics – like it or not, there IS a sex imbalance and there is just too damn many Chinese guys.

Yes, prostitution in China, as it is elsewhere, is never going to be totally eradicated – but the days of such cheap and rampant availability of sexual services is numbered.

IMHO

SEAJ

[Bnlee2]

[CodeWord909][/url] situations perhaps. 10 minute romp in a dark room (or in a dangerous environment) perhaps. Do you really want to spend air tix to China in search of "cheap pussy" only to get a dissatisfying time?

Are you a local mainlander? If you are, then what you said is true.

There is another type of cheap pussy that are not fat nor ugly. I have been a lot of hot horny trophy housewives, signif. Others. Those are the one with husbands/bf that works 24/7/365. They go on the hunt and bags these trophy housewives/gf and leaves them at home while they are out looking for more trophy game.

These horny housewives and beautiful and loaded with $$$. I have a few that bangs me on the side (yes. Screw my brains out) in a top five star hotel and the beauty is that they are low maintenance, you do not need to take them shopping. They just want to fulfill their sexual desire on the "sly". For my birthday, they buy me better presents than my own family. The only thing is that I make sure that their hubby/bf is not a senior party member or a triad member. Hee. Hee.

Now that is cheap and good pussy. The other type you mentioned. Yes there are plenty of those too. But there are many of my type too.

[BruceTea]

When we think of China we often think of super cheap consumer goods and cheap pussy. Where is the absolute cheapest pussy in China to be found? Anyone fucked a farmer's daughter for the price of a happy meal?

"super cheap consumer goods" = knock-offs (guggi, adidos, samsonitc). ok for locals, but hilariously embarrassing for Westerners or those living in countries where people know how to read/spell English. You get what you paid for: a crappy, poorly constructed product. Last I checked, a knock off Apple iPhone costs 70 USdollars. Do you really want to spend 70 US bucks on a fake that may last 2 months?

"cheap pussy" = 30-40 year old, fat, ugly gals perhaps. [CodeWord909] situations perhaps. 10 minute romp in a dark room (or in a dangerous environment) perhaps. Do you really want to spend air tix to China in search of "cheap pussy" only to get a dissatisfying time?

Are you a local mainlander? if you are, then what you said is true.

[One Eyed Man]

The "illegality" of p4p sex in China, like so many "illegalities" is a relic from the Communist era. According to communism, p4p sex or even sex outside of monogamous marriage was an aberration from feudal society. Those communist days are gone and the law will change with time. China is returning to its natural historical position as a country where polyamorous relationships flourished. Unless some religion like Christianity or Islam takes hold here (and I doubt that this will happen in a really big way), relatively uninhibited sex including multiple partners, prostitution, second wives, etc will continue to be very available.

I think your comment was very insightful and helps to explain a lot of the government's behavior that seems illogical, because the country is conflicted on this issue.

[South Gate]

Joe, I am not in Chong Qing but rather in Kunming where you will be attacked by mamasans when you walk out of the train station and where the hotel across the square from the main air terminal has 350 yuan xiao jie ready and willing to take you to heaven.

Whether Chocha's post about cheap and available p4p sex is copied from something two years ago or five years ago matters less than the big picture over the past 20 years and the projection for the next 10. Despite periodic crackdowns (like for the BJ Olympics) and despite changes in availability of unemployeed females, the prognosis is good.

Consider this example:

Three days ago, my gf and I were walking in the street in Kunming. She gets the following text message on her cell phone (translated here)

"Opportunity available for females between the ages of 18 and 30 at the Horizon Hotel Sauna. You must be beautiful and you must have an open mind. Income in the range of 20000 to 40000 per month. Please call this number xxxxxxxxx"

We laughed and thought this must be a scam. On a lark, she called the number and spoke to the hiring manager at the Horizon, a large five star hotel. She was told that they were hiring massage girls who were willing to give special service massages to clients and that the massage girl would earn 500 yuan per massage. She was told that she would have to undergo an interview and a body inspection and if accepted would have to undergo special training.

How many tens of thousands of cell phones received this message? Can you imagine such a text message being sent so openly in California where an ad like this might appear in a tabloid but nowhere else.

The "illegality" of p4p sex in China, like so many "illegalities" is a relic from the Communist era. According to communism, p4p sex or even sex outside of monogamous marriage was an aberration from feudal society. Those communist days are gone and the law will change with time. China is returning to its natural historical position as a country where polyamorous relationships flourished. Unless some religion like Christianity or Islam takes hold here (and I doubt that this will happen in a really big way), relatively uninhibited sex including multiple partners, prostitution, second wives, etc will continue to be very available.

South Gate - you live in Chongqing right? Have you not noticed the changes to our hobby up there?

What may have been correct 2 years ago when the article was written - no longer applies; certainly a lot of things do not apply in Southern China as there'd been so many changes happening practically daily i.e. Crack downs, shortage of jobs and then followed by shortage of labour, RMB appreciating, Rural reform and incentives etc etc.

You have a point about it being "comprehensive" but it is riddled with cliches about the scene here - and it definitely is dated info.

SEAJ

[Chocha Monger]

When we think of China we often think of super cheap consumer goods and cheap pussy. Where is the absolute cheapest pussy in China to be found? Anyone fucked a farmer's daughter for the price of a happy meal?

[SE Asia Joe]

Chocha's post is filled with interesting information relevant to the "Cheap Sex in CHina" thread. I, for one, do not consider it drivel and could care less if it contains material he copied from other sources. It is a comprehensive review of this subject which supports the contention that sex in China is becoming more open and, in fact, cheaper than in the past despite the still booming economy which might tend to increase prices. In fact, p4p sex, of one sort or another is becoming part of the economy just like concubine sex was part of the economy hundreds of years ago.
Despite

South Gate - you live in Chongqing right? Have you not noticed the changes to our hobby up there?

What may have been correct 2 years ago when the article was written - no longer applies; certainly a lot of things do not apply in Southern China as there'd been so many changes happening practically daily i.e. Crack downs, shortage of jobs and then followed by shortage of labour, RMB appreciating, Rural reform and incentives etc etc.

You have a point about it being "comprehensive" but it is riddled with cliches about the scene here - and it definitely is dated info.

SEAJ

[South Gate]

Chocha's post is filled with interesting information relevant to the "Cheap Sex in CHina" thread. I, for one, do not consider it drivel and could care less if it contains material he copied from other sources. It is a comprehensive review of this subject which supports the contention that sex in China is becoming more open and, in fact, cheaper than in the past despite the still booming economy which might tend to increase prices. In fact, p4p sex, of one sort or another is becoming part of the economy just like concubine sex was part of the economy hundreds of years ago.
Despite

I meant to ask what the reason for this cut & paste drivel was ...