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  1. #540

    Massage Cards

    Since my return to Beijing I have been getting those little massage cards more and more often. They advertise FS for 300rmb but the last one I got (two days ago) had it for only 258rmb. One card does not make a trend but there has been a lot of competition recently. In my experience most of these girls are not very pretty but about half the time I am happily surprised. If you are in WJ area and you post I will share the numbers when you PM me. You will need to speak Chinese. Have fun and be safe,

    SJames

  2. #539

    Safety

    agree with phil. china is generally safe in terms of getting ripped off, robbed or killed, at least compared to the us or some other countries. i also frequently use his method to find a hotel. once a hotel does on line bookings, the price goes way up and the quality is not necessarily better. it is often better just to go and ask locals. regarding girls, the danger is not so much from them or their pimps but from local le and from diseases the girls who may not get medical care. also, i have suspected that some of the girls that work at low end bbs and similar places are ****. it would be terrible if this were the case and you were caught by le in the act. so i stay away from the sleazier cheaper bbs places at least most of the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by phil1980
    i've actually employed the same method on numerous occasions. arriving in some chinese city by train and going with some people who hang around the railway station offering cheap hotel rooms. that way you get a cheap room (100-150 rmb a night is normal) and a free ride there without bothering to book a room in advance. so far nothing has happened. i don't really consider it so dangerous, because if these people started robbing and murdering tourists arriving by rail in major cities the police would probably crack down hard on them, i guess there must be cameras all around the major railway stations in china.

    i have also used the same method looking for girls without major problems, the only time something negative happened was in hainan way back in 2002, when i basically stumbled dead-drunk in the middle of the night out of a disco in haikou and asked one of the motorbike taxi drivers to bring me to some place with girls. he did get me a girl for little money, then since i was so drunk i told him "hey, i f*ck the girl first, then you can have a go as well, while i watch", so i went with the girl and the driver into my cheap hotel room and while i was doing the girl the a**hole driver secretly stole approximately 250 euros from my hotel room (back then atms wheren't so common, so i carried cash) and left without me even noticing the theft until the next morning.

  3. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Builder
    Beiing around a lot longer and knowing more if faced with the same situation would you do it again?

    I've actually employed the same method on numerous occasions. Arriving in some Chinese city by train and going with some people who hang around the railway station offering cheap hotel rooms. That way you get a cheap room (100-150 RMB a night is normal) and a free ride there without bothering to book a room in advance. So far nothing has happened. I don't really consider it so dangerous, because if these people started robbing and murdering tourists arriving by rail in major cities the police would probably crack down hard on them, I guess there must be cameras all around the major railway stations in China.

    I have also used the same method looking for girls without major problems, the only time something negative happened was in Hainan way back in 2002, when I basically stumbled dead-drunk in the middle of the night out of a disco in Haikou and asked one of the motorbike taxi drivers to bring me to some place with girls. He did get me a girl for little money, then since I was so drunk I told him "hey, I f*ck the girl first, then you can have a go as well, while I watch", so I went with the girl and the driver into my cheap hotel room and while I was doing the girl the a**hole driver secretly stole approximately 250 Euros from my hotel room (back then ATMs wheren't so common, so I carried cash) and left without me even noticing the theft until the next morning.

  4. #537

    Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil1980
    The whole thing reminds me of cheap hotels in China. Like last time I was in Shanghai this summer I arrived at the new Shanghai railway station looking for a cheap hotel. I looked at several supposedly budget places like 168 Motel close by, but they all asked for something like a 250-300 RMB minimum for a room. Then I just went with one of the women who lurk around the railway station offering cheap hotels, she lead me to some guy in a van, we drove for 20 minutes or so into a low-class neighbourhood and I got a perfectly decent room for 130 RMB. The next day I walked around that place and there were lots of low-end brothels around there as well. Just depends on whether you consider it too risky to step into a van with some Chinese people you don't know who just tried to sell you a cheap hotel room or cheap sex.

    My first sex in China back in 2000 I had the same way. I just got into a taxi in Beijing and asked the driver whether he knew where you could get girls, he took me to some buddy of his, I got into the buddies van and we drove to some Hutong which also doubled a a brothel. The whole thing worked out just fine, even though at the time I was also shitscared they were going to rob me, kill me and dump me into a ditch or something.
    Shanghai and Beijing are far safer than Southern Guangdong, for instance. Also I believe 'Phil' speaks good mandarin. In Moscow, a driver once took me to a desolate area instead of my hotel. Fortunately I could speak passable Russian. I grabbed him by the hair, put my knife in his ear and asked him to take me to my hotel.
    CG

  5. #536

    The Catacombs of Dubai?

    Quote Originally Posted by South Gate
    I dont know catacombs exist in KM. I have searched Chinese blogs on da pao in Kunming and found only neighborhoods with BBS or massage places that offer FS for 100 to 150 but nothing like those catacombs for less than 50. In any case, even the cheap bbs are not very safe. Once, I went into a hidden room behind a mirror (really) with a girl and while we were in there, the police came to check on the place outside. We had to stay there for almost an hour before the police left and we could leave our hiding place. Not too much fun.

    I would imagine it would be nice to check into a hotel in a small town and take an inexpensive xiaojie to my room.
    It seems like the Chinese have taken the catacombs concept international.
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=7619

  6. #535
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil1980
    The whole thing reminds me of cheap hotels in China. Like last time I was in Shanghai this summer I arrived at the new Shanghai railway station looking for a cheap hotel. I looked at several supposedly budget places like 168 Motel close by, but they all asked for something like a 250-300 RMB minimum for a room. Then I just went with one of the women who lurk around the railway station offering cheap hotels, she lead me to some guy in a van, we drove for 20 minutes or so into a low-class neighbourhood and I got a perfectly decent room for 130 RMB. The next day I walked around that place and there were lots of low-end brothels around there as well. Just depends on whether you consider it too risky to step into a van with some Chinese people you don't know who just tried to sell you a cheap hotel room or cheap sex.

    My first sex in China back in 2000 I had the same way. I just got into a taxi in Beijing and asked the driver whether he knew where you could get girls, he took me to some buddy of his, I got into the buddies van and we drove to some Hutong which also doubled a a brothel. The whole thing worked out just fine, even though at the time I was also shitscared they were going to rob me, kill me and dump me into a ditch or something.
    Beiing around a lot longer and knowing more if faced with the same situation would you do it again?

  7. #534
    Quote Originally Posted by BruceTea
    There's been reports of fights, beatings, robberies, etc. at the Catacombs in CP. Perhaps even kidnappings, since there has been reports in CP of touts or girls or promises of girls luring guys to a enclosed space and then he's trapped. Over at another site, one guy mentioned that a girl tried to persuade him to go into the Catacombs. who knows if she's legit or a scam, but better safe than sorry. Don't go with her.

    The whole thing reminds me of cheap hotels in China. Like last time I was in Shanghai this summer I arrived at the new Shanghai railway station looking for a cheap hotel. I looked at several supposedly budget places like 168 Motel close by, but they all asked for something like a 250-300 RMB minimum for a room. Then I just went with one of the women who lurk around the railway station offering cheap hotels, she lead me to some guy in a van, we drove for 20 minutes or so into a low-class neighbourhood and I got a perfectly decent room for 130 RMB. The next day I walked around that place and there were lots of low-end brothels around there as well. Just depends on whether you consider it too risky to step into a van with some Chinese people you don't know who just tried to sell you a cheap hotel room or cheap sex.

    My first sex in China back in 2000 I had the same way. I just got into a taxi in Beijing and asked the driver whether he knew where you could get girls, he took me to some buddy of his, I got into the buddies van and we drove to some Hutong which also doubled a a brothel. The whole thing worked out just fine, even though at the time I was also shitscared they were going to rob me, kill me and dump me into a ditch or something.

  8. #533
    Quote Originally Posted by South Gate
    Problem with this is that it not safe, not clean and short. Also the girls are not trained and not experrienced and do not like oral. It is bette to pay a bit more but not too much.

    There's been reports of fights, beatings, robberies, etc. at the Catacombs in CP. Perhaps even kidnappings, since there has been reports in CP of touts or girls or promises of girls luring guys to a enclosed space and then he's trapped. Over at another site, one guy mentioned that a girl tried to persuade him to go into the Catacombs. who knows if she's legit or a scam, but better safe than sorry. Don't go with her.


    Just like being offered cheap iPhones "stolen from the factory"... just say NO and don't regret passing up a too good to be true deal in China (especially CP). Lots of scams and the consumer getting a great cheap deal for the real thing in China is pretty rare.

  9. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by South Gate
    I have heard this term "catacombs" but have no what this is or where to find these places. Can you elaborate?
    Dilapidated huts or rooms in a slum frequented by low income laborers.

  10. #531
    Quote Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand
    IMHO, the cheapest is still "Catacombs" style action in hutongs. Standard FS price is 30-50 RMB depending on location and some of the older gals may give it up for 20 RMB.

    Most HJ places in S. China have raised prices to 40 RMB.

    Next level up are the BBS catering to local punters for 50 RMB. These are usually located inside small villages where the girls are just sitting inside a room, rather than any BBS front.

    You can still find older SW in some places for 60 RMB FS.

    I reckon the average price for standard BBS action near a major city is 130 RMB. It gets cheaper the further out you go from the city, and in smaller cities, with FS at 70-100 RMB for locals. It is difficult to find it for less than that.

    As a foreigner, you always risk being charged a "laowai surcharge" on the above prices.

    Just my POV.

    OAH
    Of course much limited in experience but I can confirm that even as a laowei with a little Chinese I had FS action for 130 RMB in the bigger cities, sometimes even very nice, if you treat the girls right

    FA

  11. #530

    catacombs

    I dont know catacombs exist in KM. I have searched Chinese blogs on da pao in Kunming and found only neighborhoods with BBS or massage places that offer FS for 100 to 150 but nothing like those catacombs for less than 50. In any case, even the cheap bbs are not very safe. Once, I went into a hidden room behind a mirror (really) with a girl and while we were in there, the police came to check on the place outside. We had to stay there for almost an hour before the police left and we could leave our hiding place. Not too much fun.

    I would imagine it would be nice to check into a hotel in a small town and take an inexpensive xiaojie to my room.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand
    South Gate,

    Located in CP, Dongguan. The term was coined by a senior member of this forum. They are small alleys with girls standing in front of small hovels offering very cheap sex for 15-20 minutes. Run a thread search in Dongguan and you will find a wealth of information. Most cities in South China have these areas catering to locals; especially migrant workers. Not for the faint hearted. I have not seen this action in other parts of China but I have not gone looking either. Does it exist in Kunming?

    OAH

  12. #529

    Catacombs

    Quote Originally Posted by South Gate
    I have heard this term "catacombs" but have no what this is or where to find these places. Can you elaborate?
    South Gate,

    Located in CP, Dongguan. The term was coined by a senior member of this forum. They are small alleys with girls standing in front of small hovels offering very cheap sex for 15-20 minutes. Run a thread search in Dongguan and you will find a wealth of information. Most cities in South China have these areas catering to locals; especially migrant workers. Not for the faint hearted. I have not seen this action in other parts of China but I have not gone looking either. Does it exist in Kunming?

    OAH

  13. #528

    catacombs?

    I have heard this term "catacombs" but have no what this is or where to find these places. Can you elaborate?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand
    IMHO, the cheapest is still "Catacombs" style action in hutongs. Standard FS price is 30-50 RMB depending on location and some of the older gals may give it up for 20 RMB.



    OAH

  14. #527

    Cheap

    IMHO, the cheapest is still "Catacombs" style action in hutongs. Standard FS price is 30-50 RMB depending on location and some of the older gals may give it up for 20 RMB.

    Most HJ places in S. China have raised prices to 40 RMB.

    Next level up are the BBS catering to local punters for 50 RMB. These are usually located inside small villages where the girls are just sitting inside a room, rather than any BBS front.

    You can still find older SW in some places for 60 RMB FS.

    I reckon the average price for standard BBS action near a major city is 130 RMB. It gets cheaper the further out you go from the city, and in smaller cities, with FS at 70-100 RMB for locals. It is difficult to find it for less than that.

    As a foreigner, you always risk being charged a "laowai surcharge" on the above prices.

    Just my POV.

    OAH

  15. #526

    cheap pussy

    Cheapest I know in my neighborhood is in the mid size cities south of Kunming. BBS full service for 50 to 100. In Kunming near the train station there is a report of 150 but possibly lower and in the poorer xiao Qu barber shops, 150 is standard.
    Problem with this is that it not safe, not clean and short. Also the girls are not trained and not experrienced and do not like oral. It is bette to pay a bit more but not too much. I

    You can get a nice experience for 300 to 600 but over 600 makes no difference in terms of quality of the experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocha Monger
    Where is the absolute cheapest pussy in China to be found?

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