FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Mr Ho]

I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?

They raised the price to 70 euro per 30 min now in Artemis? They already charged higher before and not provided good service unless you pay up even more, so the price increase is not justified, but it may gather more stunner level girls to Artemis with even higher price now?

[Alessandro527]

I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?

The answer is very simple.

Monopoly in Berlin.

[Pessimist]

Yes, 90 Euros entry fee is outrageous! What a nice "welcome back" present from the Artemis management for their loyal customers. / sarc.

I guess they don't really see a long term future, but instead they want to grab as much money as desperate customers are willing to pay, before the next shutdown / lockdown hits them.

I have not been a fan of Artemis for 5+ years, and I would not be rushing to attend this club at these prices (actually, until I have a reliable vaccine I can trust, I will not be attending any sex clubs -- please spare me your standard lectures on how benign is the virus in your view. Keep it for another day). But from the club's pov, 90 entry is not that much at all. Fact of the matter is, Artemis was already charging more than other German clubs and those who liked it enough did attend, those who did not care for it stayed away. And German clubs are cheaper than those in some neighboring countries, and that also was status quo and those who could tolerate the higher prices attended such clubs for the perceived higher quality of club / girls / both. So, a differential pricing due to # clubs in a given location, competitive dynamic, local cost of living were all taken into consideration. Now, in this reopening, none of us know what were the incremental expenses the club had to spend to make it open. Clearly, the club is operating under much reduced capacity, allowing only certain # men at a given time. Did they intentionally allow fewer girls as well to comply with the rules? So, there was lost revenue from men and from perhaps girls as well. Their expenses, instead of being commensurately reduced, might have in fact gone up if there were extra sanitary and other measures to be put into effect. Of course there was the several months' lost revenue and they probably kept paying most of the expenses to stay alive (mortgage, taxes, license, some salaries for staff, skeletal maintenance expense, etc).

Guys here on ISG are going to claim Artemis has to take a long term outlook and not charge extra. Why? If in future girls' quality or service went down at Artemis, will you patronize this club out of loyalty? If not, then why should Artemis forego revenue to acquire your loyalty which is fickle at best and highly changeable?

They do not even know how long they may stay open. For all they know, they may be forced to shut down in a week. Starting and stopping is more expensive than staying shut, as NRW / Hessen clubs have done. But in the logic of the guys here, the club should swallow all these expenses. Club management may instead be thinking "we went out of our way, fought hard with local municipality and others to reopen, we are jumping through the hoops to help our customers who have been starving for sex for 6 months, and we have extra expenses than normal and we should recoup them."

When some FKK girls were charging 150 an hour, no one said anything here. In fact, people said 150 was a bargain. Now, people are whining entry fee is hiked 10 bucks.

[Sirioja]

I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?

12% more on entry and more than 15% increasing girls rate and you should not get much for only 70. Maybe why when only Artemis in Berlin and Germany but not crowded and girls will cry about slow business. Fucking clients don t pay for long.

[HammerTime96]

I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.

Yes, 90 Euros entry fee is outrageous! What a nice "welcome back" present from the Artemis management for their loyal customers. / sarc.

I guess they don't really see a long term future, but instead they want to grab as much money as desperate customers are willing to pay, before the next shutdown / lockdown hits them.

[The Cane]

I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.

With regard to FKK pricing, I was already close to my tipping point. I mean, an hour with anal plus BBBJ / CIM was easily hitting 300 euros. Start going above that, and it starts to get too high for me. I think it would be just bad business judgment and greed for them to start upping prices. Now is not the time. You want to draw customers back, not push them away by hiking prices. Mongers like me have other places we can go to if we need to if Germany starts to get too high in price. Raise prices too high, and they will drive the final nails into their own coffins. They can get away with raising entrances fees I think, but I think raising the cost of sexual services will bring only problems in the end. Switzerland FKKs are expensive, but that's Switzerland where everything is expensive! Top Austrian clubs are higher, but I found overall optics and service to be lower, which makes Germany the bigger draw for mongers. Spain, although not built on the FKK model, offers great action but is also on the expensive end (the clubs anyway), and service levels can be uneven (you can't have confidence about what you will get for your money). Germany holds the "sweet spot" in Europe for me, and can stay there by holding the line on prices when things open up again. If I have to, I can always stick with Brazil, which is my favorite anyway.

[Sirioja]

I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.

Seem you won't get so much for less than 100/120/30 mn. I can agree to pay 200 for 1 hour but the girl has to be a elegant beauty and lovely in bed. Not sure, many natural beauties for my standard, but more silicon and tattooed.

[HDN2015]

I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70€ 30 min, compare to 60 € 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?

[Turgid]

I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.

[PayForIt]

Greetings,

I'm a regular visitor to Berlin for business and sometimes for fun too. I had an opportunity to visit Artemis this weekend and thought I would confirm some facts about how the club is operating under the current pandemic conditions.

I had read about Artemis re-opening in the local German forums and its really great to see some useful reports and information on international sex guide in the Germany FKK clubs forum particularly about Artemis re-opening. I was inspired to no longer be a guest on international sex guide and to add some useful information to the conversation. To be honest so much of what is written in this forum seems to be just idle chit chat and guys shooting the breeze. The same guys posting again and again about absolutely nothing. Reports about far flung places not even in Germany. Sometimes not even in Europe. It can be difficult to separate useful information from so much waffle. So great to read a few useful reports about Artemis and its re-opening. So great not to have to rely on German language forums.

There have been many questions with regard to the new anti-virus rules now applicable in Artemis. I can confirm that on entry to Artemis hallowed halls you will have your temperature checked and if that measurement is normal you will be asked to provide your name, address and telephone number. It is advisable to provide correct details because I was asked to provide identification, so you must remember to bring your ID card, passport or driver's licence with you. Otherwise you could be sent packing.

Your identification details are written on paper and you keep this form until you exit the club. You must keep this form safe because on exiting the club you will be asked for the names of the ladies with whom you have visited and your exit time will also be noted down. The cost of entry is now euro 90. Upon paying you receive an arm-band from the club, along with your robe and locker key.

It should also be noted that you must wear a mask as you arrive and as you move around the club. It is permissible to remove the mask if you are sitting down. This rule also applies to the ladies. I saw no person not wearing a mask.

There is disinfectant available throughout the club and not just at the entrance or in the changing rooms.

All stools have been removed around the bar so it is no longer possible to loiter there. If you wish to sit you must sit on a sofa and you must be seated in order to take off your mask to chat either with fellow mongers or the ladies present.

It is difficult to estimate, but on Friday evening I reckon there were approximately 40 guests and maybe 60 ladies. The club atmosphere is more sedate than it was before the pandemic. There are less customers wandering around or loitering. Most customers either head quickly to the room with a lady or head outside to the garden. There is no necessity to wear a mask in the garden. The swimming-pool is open as is the large sauna but the whirlpool and hammam are closed.

Masks were not worn in the rooms, at least not with the ladies I was with. Maybe different ladies have more stringent requirements but I doubt this to be the case.

I can say that I had a most enjoyable visit to Artemis. The experience was more sedate than what was the norm in less stressful times. Would I visit again. Certainly yes. But then again, because of age and health, I am not in a high-risk category when it comes to the virus. I guess the good news is that FKK clubs (in Germany) are beginning to re-open. Let's hope that they remain open so that the fun can continue.

GJ.

Really good and useful report. Thanks.

[StrikeFour]

Thank you for that report. How was it in the room? Any girls insisting on any mask use? What about kissing?

Very nice to see a real, live report!

In the room it was like before Corona and kissing was no problem at all.

[Citizen Kane]

I asked one of the girls and she said maximum 250 people (including the girls). She told me many girls go there earlier now so they will get in. Don't know if the number is correct but it didn't get too packed with guys like before Corona. But it was more guys than girls in the smoke lounge after midnight, but that's normal at Artemis on a Friday.

No changes when in the room, like usual.

Many thanks.

Sounds like Artemis is the FKK canary down the Corona mine. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

[Kippen]

Thank you so much StrikeFour, Gironimo Jones and Bertie Wooster for the update. Really nice to hear that its open for real again and not only appointment as some people said. 90 EUR entry is a little to much but I will go anyway. Even 80 EUR was to high IMO. But without a competitor nearby I guess there is no problem for the management to higher the price.

[Gironimo Jones]

Greetings,

I'm a regular visitor to Berlin for business and sometimes for fun too. I had an opportunity to visit Artemis this weekend and thought I would confirm some facts about how the club is operating under the current pandemic conditions.

I had read about Artemis re-opening in the local German forums and its really great to see some useful reports and information on international sex guide in the Germany FKK clubs forum particularly about Artemis re-opening. I was inspired to no longer be a guest on international sex guide and to add some useful information to the conversation. To be honest so much of what is written in this forum seems to be just idle chit chat and guys shooting the breeze. The same guys posting again and again about absolutely nothing. Reports about far flung places not even in Germany. Sometimes not even in Europe. It can be difficult to separate useful information from so much waffle. So great to read a few useful reports about Artemis and its re-opening. So great not to have to rely on German language forums.

There have been many questions with regard to the new anti-virus rules now applicable in Artemis. I can confirm that on entry to Artemis hallowed halls you will have your temperature checked and if that measurement is normal you will be asked to provide your name, address and telephone number. It is advisable to provide correct details because I was asked to provide identification, so you must remember to bring your ID card, passport or driver's licence with you. Otherwise you could be sent packing.

Your identification details are written on paper and you keep this form until you exit the club. You must keep this form safe because on exiting the club you will be asked for the names of the ladies with whom you have visited and your exit time will also be noted down. The cost of entry is now euro 90. Upon paying you receive an arm-band from the club, along with your robe and locker key.

It should also be noted that you must wear a mask as you arrive and as you move around the club. It is permissible to remove the mask if you are sitting down. This rule also applies to the ladies. I saw no person not wearing a mask.

There is disinfectant available throughout the club and not just at the entrance or in the changing rooms.

All stools have been removed around the bar so it is no longer possible to loiter there. If you wish to sit you must sit on a sofa and you must be seated in order to take off your mask to chat either with fellow mongers or the ladies present.

It is difficult to estimate, but on Friday evening I reckon there were approximately 40 guests and maybe 60 ladies. The club atmosphere is more sedate than it was before the pandemic. There are less customers wandering around or loitering. Most customers either head quickly to the room with a lady or head outside to the garden. There is no necessity to wear a mask in the garden. The swimming-pool is open as is the large sauna but the whirlpool and hammam are closed.

Masks were not worn in the rooms, at least not with the ladies I was with. Maybe different ladies have more stringent requirements but I doubt this to be the case.

I can say that I had a most enjoyable visit to Artemis. The experience was more sedate than what was the norm in less stressful times. Would I visit again. Certainly yes. But then again, because of age and health, I am not in a high-risk category when it comes to the virus. I guess the good news is that FKK clubs (in Germany) are beginning to re-open. Let's hope that they remain open so that the fun can continue.

GJ.

[StrikeFour]

Thanks for the report.

Any idea on how many 'full house' equates to? Ballpark amount of guys?

Any Corona induced changes to procedure once in the room?

Cheers.

I asked one of the girls and she said maximum 250 people (including the girls). She told me many girls go there earlier now so they will get in. Don't know if the number is correct but it didn't get too packed with guys like before Corona. But it was more guys than girls in the smoke lounge after midnight, but that's normal at Artemis on a Friday.

No changes when in the room, like usual.