FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Mr Ho]

I think this is the case in many richer countries, that are less socially connected and emphasize working longer hours (Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, America). Their social network diminishes as their friends (if they had any) marry off. Hardcore mongers who spend their entire weekends in clubs or fly-in mongers who visit multiple times per year for weeks at a time, have probably cut off themselves from family and friends to a certain degree. Most live alone. If they didn't, there would be too much to explain. I think certain cultures are more socially connected (like Italians) where you constantly have to "check in" more and disappearing for weeks at a time or every weekend would be more difficult.

That actually is the best thing about Germany, it is the last place people imagine to be the capital of prostitution!

[Mr Ho]

People are often alone at home and many single guys do not have friends, especially when all other old friends have family and so on, so forum can help them to share with somebody else every day and they don't feel too much alone at home.

On the other hand, unfortunately Internet also isolate many people only living behind computers all over the World. FKK help very much to meet people, it is so much fun to talk and laugh with people in FKK every week, men and women.

It is each their own I think, but when it comes to mongering I cannot discuss this with any of my friends and I am someone who went to two boarding schools, so I would say our circle is more tight than those who went to normal school, we lived together under same roof, but even with them I do not discuss about my mongering hobby beside two of them, so I do think forum is good place for me because even in FKK, I do not really socialize with fellow mongers from me unless I am spoken to.

Having said that, I do like to add that when I am spoken to in FKK and I began communicate with them, I always had good time having real talk about life in general because with them I could talk about mongering and how it is part of my life, which in a way could be perceived as real me, I could say mongering forum is some therapeutic place for me because it is only place I can talk about mongering which is one of the most important part of my life as I do enjoy fucking new young beauties one after another every year, one of the biggest joy of my life I cannot share and laugh with anybody, but on internet.

And finally, this forum is the only forum where not maybe all, but most are real mongers, I tend to stay honest here and not all posters are honest, but I would say most are honest posters here that I like. It is good place to open up our secret side (which is for me and I like to think for you too for your reputation in society) and beside the too intense censoring to the level of North Korea, it is good forum! It is my morning and before I go to bed routine to write here!

[ExpatLover]

Lies are also coming from the girls, like you I don't want to make friends in a FKK, I always answer that I can speak English or German, only French and I know that in the FKK you only have few young people with migration background who can speak French and they will not speak with a 65+ old white Christian guy. The few times I discussed with men, I always felt that they are not from my world, or there were vulgar, or they really had to be very careful with their spending's, most of them always tried to push me to give info about girls what I refuse.

[BrahmaPoutre]

I don't really try especially to make friends in FKK, I was just saying that I enjoy meeting people and have fun with them, life is short, so it is good to enjoy when we can!

Personally, in the past I met people in FKK who came and slept in my apartment, many people know my real name because I give my real email address, they know my job, even one guy met my mother or I even met their wives at home! It even happened that we took photos all the guys together in FKK wearing bademantel! Obviously I do that only with people I know for a long time in FKK. I agree that sometimes we meet also strange people in FKK and it's better to keep distance with some of them but it is the same in "real" life.

I always find funny when guys tries to hide everything but I respect it, so I never ask about private life, personally I don't mind, if they want to share it's up to them, they certainly have good reasons if they don't want, for sure, but even if it is fake, some of them are really interesting people and it is sometimes really pleasant to spend some times with them, talking and having a drink or watching sport in FKK or whatsoever.

[ExpatLover]

I think this is the case in many richer countries, that are less socially connected and emphasize working longer hours (Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, America). Their social network diminishes as their friends (if they had any) marry off. Hardcore mongers who spend their entire weekends in clubs or fly-in mongers who visit multiple times per year for weeks at a time, have probably cut off themselves from family and friends to a certain degree. Most live alone. If they didn't, there would be too much to explain. I think certain cultures are more socially connected (like Italians) where you constantly have to "check in" more and disappearing for weeks at a time or every weekend would be more difficult.

Fully online with you, this also happen to me, you need time to monger and confidentiality very difficult at the same time to share all this with relatives, friends. When in 2017, I reduced my mongering, immediately I had more friends, more family contacts just because I was less occupied and had no more things to hide. Many times girls told me that a lo of German guys come to FKK just for 2 hours, empty their balls and return home to their wife or GF, terrible. Some guys even don't shower, don't use sauna, eat or drink nothing, come, fuck and go.

[McAdonis]

People are often alone at home and many single guys do not have friends, especially when all other old friends have family and so on, so forum can help them to share with somebody else every day and they don't feel too much alone at home.

On the other hand, unfortunately Internet also isolate many people only living behind computers all over the World.

I think this is the case in many richer countries, that are less socially connected and emphasize working longer hours (Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, America). Their social network diminishes as their friends (if they had any) marry off. Hardcore mongers who spend their entire weekends in clubs or fly-in mongers who visit multiple times per year for weeks at a time, have probably cut off themselves from family and friends to a certain degree. Most live alone. If they didn't, there would be too much to explain. I think certain cultures are more socially connected (like Italians) where you constantly have to "check in" more and disappearing for weeks at a time or every weekend would be more difficult.

[Sirioja]

People are often alone at home and many single guys do not have friends, especially when all other old friends have family and so on, so forum can help them to share with somebody else every day and they don't feel too much alone at home.

On the other hand, unfortunately Internet also isolate many people only living behind computers all over the World. FKK help very much to meet people, it is so much fun to talk and laugh with people in FKK every week, men and women.

I don't think brothels are good places to make friends, I prefer to avoid to speak with guys, too much lies, all claimed businessman, bullshits and jealousy, when I have really hard job to succeed to find a attractive girl, sometimes turning around for 12 hours, at least I walk, but failing. Only very few guys, only 1 German in Hessen, I'm happy to meet. I train hard here to try to improve my English, relaxing for mind to speak another language, same like if I went to London, same like speaking Russian, as often I can, mostly with my Russian escorts, because claimed Russians in FKK are not able to speak with my school level, they don't understand the faintest word, except past Jane at GT, not the vulgar one at LR, or Tatiana Oase who moved to GT, or Ina Oase or Lena PSR, or Marina at Sharks, always pleasure to speak with them, a bit of holidays in mind.

[ExpatLover]

People are often alone at home and many single guys do not have friends, especially when all other old friends have family and so on, so forum can help them to share with somebody else every day and they don't feel too much alone at home.

On the other hand, unfortunately Internet also isolate many people only living behind computers all over the World. FKK help very much to meet people, it is so much fun to talk and laugh with people in FKK every week, men and women.

I also like to practise my English and this forum is a excellent tool for that. I don t believe that the people you can meet in a FKK can create sincere relations. For me, it is a place for lies, most of the people are cheating to protect themselves, the girls use a pseudonym, the guys are telling stories about making the girls come so many times. Many times mongers socialise with me specially those from the US, but always keep my distances. I like the Americans but I am always surprised how most of them need to be reassure by the other experiences, many times I told them that when you come from so far it is really not a big deal to try a girl for 50 euro but they always want to get feedback from the others. They feel unsafe without that.

[BrahmaPoutre]

There is nothing wrong with posting everyday or often, I like posting on daily basis as it is nice routine to check out this forum in the morning and before I sleep in the evening usually! After all, we monger can only discuss mongering on forum and not in our private lives, well it is not recommended to do so LOL!

People are often alone at home and many single guys do not have friends, especially when all other old friends have family and so on, so forum can help them to share with somebody else every day and they don't feel too much alone at home.

On the other hand, unfortunately Internet also isolate many people only living behind computers all over the World. FKK help very much to meet people, it is so much fun to talk and laugh with people in FKK every week, men and women.

[Mr Ho]

EL: I already tried to explain why I am posting often, I like to practise daily my English writing, I am 60+ and 15 years back couldn't speak or write 1 world in English. Yes I am out of that addiction and when I want to have great sex, I am still in very good relation with 2 ex girls from the clubs (retired several years back), and several times a year we are meeting for a long weekend with all inclusive), nice time for me but also for them. That business will last a long time, some activities need washing machines even they don't money with the FKK.

There is nothing wrong with posting everyday or often, I like posting on daily basis as it is nice routine to check out this forum in the morning and before I sleep in the evening usually! After all, we monger can only discuss mongering on forum and not in our private lives, well it is not recommended to do so LOL!

[Outcast]

Changing the topic here, with a quick info about the measurement of temperature at the entrance. The max allowed value is 37.4. I barely got in. Someone here already mentioned he was refused entrance. It's a possibility, so consider it before travelling a long way to visit the club.

I wish I didn't get in though, because in the morning the line up was not interesting for me, and the next shift of girls was supposed to arrive at 20:00. So I left without going to the room. If you plan to visit, avoid the morning.

[ExpatLover]

EL: I already tried to explain why I am posting often, I like to practise daily my English writing, I am 60+ and 15 years back couldn't speak or write 1 world in English. Yes I am out of that addiction and when I want to have great sex, I am still in very good relation with 2 ex girls from the clubs (retired several years back), and several times a year we are meeting for a long weekend with all inclusive), nice time for me but also for them. That business will last a long time, some activities need washing machines even they don't money with the FKK.

[PayForIt]

Thank you for your very even keel response once again Mr. PFI. As always, you are a model of decorum.

Quick Q to you and other mongers who have written their excellent reports in their visits since some clubs reopened. Have you had a chance to talk to your fav girls how they fared during the interim 5/6 months, what have they been up to, how are their finances, and what their long term plans are? Also, to the extent some girls came back and others have not, is it driven by a bigger need for immediate cash, or the information that clubs have opened has not reached all the girls yet, or did the club managements somehow decide which girls are invited back and who are not (because there are restrictions on how many people can be inside a club at the same time)?

I am intrigued by your remark that clubs may close. I don't deny that is an unfortunate possibility. If they do, I am wondering what will these girls do, what their plans are? Obviously, it depends on in what manner these clubs close again if they do and for how long -- but did you get the sense that girls were desperate and have had it, or they took it in their stride in the last 6 months, how is their mental state?

Obviously, some are escorting in DE and other places, so I imagine some of them are getting by better than others I presume.

In terms of what they did, some said they just went home and lifted off previous savings. Others said they remained and escorted in DE with no problems other than a lack of customers. I didn't get the impression of desperation. They are loving the new pricing system, the 20 for BBBJ being enforced by all. I think some girls will have genuinely just decided this was the push they needed to give up. As you know, many desire it but cannot resist the temptation of the cash. But lockdowns and restricted travel caused some (indeed my very favourite girl in Spain) to decide to turn their back on this industry and start to make a "proper" life. Even if that means returning to normal jobs.

I think the mental state is just one of pure worry. The only thing I sensed desperation about was keeping the clubs (and hence income stream) open. Many fear it will be the end of FKKs completely if there are full lockdowns or more closures.

I made the comment that clubs may well close (at least for a good period if not forever) because of a mix of factors: (1) enforced closures (e. G. Still all the Hessen clubs) and attendant loss of huge sums of money (2) willingness of punters to attend is clearly diminished (3) even if that is wrong. Numbers allowed in are now restricted (4) girls worrying about working / the virus etc. (5) sales of beers and alcohol being restricted or stopped. (6) whilst some punters are truly missing the experience, I've had messages from a couple of guys who say they knew they were sex addicts but forced deprivation has caused them to be able to stop and they won't start again. Good luck to them. But that doesn't help FKKs! (7) global travel restrictions and quarantine requirements.

All in all, a grim position for owners of these clubs. I'm sure they will still be fat on previous profits, but no business saved for these rainy days and the current increasing numbers, plus lack of a vaccine (none was ever found for SARS. Now 17 years ago) could mean lockdowns / openings with poor numbers / back to lockdowns and so on. All of that together I think means that owners of the businesses will think long and hard about continuing, or selling up land and facilities. Whilst in Harmony I went to Babylon. There were 4 girls in the entire club and not a single customer. It's huge with expensive fit out and screens. That lack of income (when it is not even closed) cannot continue without that business closing. I can see that being repeated elsewhere. When times finally get back to normal (but that could well be several years) entrepreneurs will come forward who want to still make money from the sex industry. But before that, I can see many FKK closures, and those politicians seeking total shut down will use that as a platform / impetus for attempting total shut downs.

I will be truly very sad if the FKK scene in DE disappears, but the oldest profession in the world will not. I had never heard of an FKK until I stumbled across its name in the main forum in 2013 and headed to Artemis first. I shall never forget that first night. Notwithstanding having mongered for many many years before all over the world, it was a one off. I hope it's still going to be there at the end of this but I suspect the numbers of clubs which survive will be far less than those which operated before covid.

[Pessimist]

An entirely fair response Sir. I rather fear your famine will continue for some time. But I very much doubt you will diet alone. Current numbers suggest to me that it is a matter of time before they all close again. That, together with travel restrictions mean that the number of customers, and workers in FKKs is likely to diminish quickly. Sad, and I am disappointed, but of course far less of a worry or upsetting as the ill health and deaths of many which is far more serious and of greater concern.

I am afraid my intended upcoming next trip to Germany has been cancelled and I am off to sunnier climes to continue feeding the appetite. But I doubt even that can remain the case for much longer, in which case I may have to join you and others in only "chatting with likeminded people" - which was a perfect answer to my query about why those not intending to sate the appetite continue to frequent these forums..

Thank you for your very even keel response once again Mr. PFI. As always, you are a model of decorum.

Quick Q to you and other mongers who have written their excellent reports in their visits since some clubs reopened. Have you had a chance to talk to your fav girls how they fared during the interim 5/6 months, what have they been up to, how are their finances, and what their long term plans are? Also, to the extent some girls came back and others have not, is it driven by a bigger need for immediate cash, or the information that clubs have opened has not reached all the girls yet, or did the club managements somehow decide which girls are invited back and who are not (because there are restrictions on how many people can be inside a club at the same time)?

I am intrigued by your remark that clubs may close. I don't deny that is an unfortunate possibility. If they do, I am wondering what will these girls do, what their plans are? Obviously, it depends on in what manner these clubs close again if they do and for how long -- but did you get the sense that girls were desperate and have had it, or they took it in their stride in the last 6 months, how is their mental state?

Obviously, some are escorting in DE and other places, so I imagine some of them are getting by better than others I presume.

[PayForIt]

Because we miss it? LOL. Living vicariously, reading excellent reports such as yours! Of course, keep in mind all the clubs were completely shut for 4,5 months but that does not mean the forum should have come to a halt in those days. As I said in reply to Turgid, health concern is only one aspect of it for me; many other things need to fall into place before I can visit these clubs. In the meanwhile, chatting with likeminded people keeps whetting my appetite. Not that I need that much whetting; as it is I feel like I am famished LOL.

An entirely fair response Sir. I rather fear your famine will continue for some time. But I very much doubt you will diet alone. Current numbers suggest to me that it is a matter of time before they all close again. That, together with travel restrictions mean that the number of customers, and workers in FKKs is likely to diminish quickly. Sad, and I am disappointed, but of course far less of a worry or upsetting as the ill health and deaths of many which is far more serious and of greater concern.

I am afraid my intended upcoming next trip to Germany has been cancelled and I am off to sunnier climes to continue feeding the appetite. But I doubt even that can remain the case for much longer, in which case I may have to join you and others in only "chatting with likeminded people" - which was a perfect answer to my query about why those not intending to sate the appetite continue to frequent these forums.

I think (in responding to SaratogaX) it's not about being too kind. I fully understand people's views. Like Expat Lover and Nooky Ninja. And I respect them. What I don't like is when I get the impression that people are telling me what choices to make. When the law bans something I don't breach the rules. I don't count that as a choice. Its enforcement and I will obey. But if the rules say a club can remain open (legally) then if opt to attend (taking risks) a place where others have also (legally) elected to take those risks for themselves and every other person present (and nobody is forced to be there. Not punters or workers) then I should be able to freely make that choice even if others would not make the same choice.

Occasionally some of the opinions of those electing NOT to attend sound rather like sermons or lectures from teachers to pupils. I trust that is not what was intended.

Let's just hope that this dreadful scourge passes as quickly as it came, a successful vaccine is produced quickly such that we can all get back to doing what we love most in 2021. For certain, this has caused us all to refocus, consider what is important and what is not, and not take our lives for granted.