FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Buck Rogers]

Isn`t she Kimmi? Your discription sound like her.

I don't think so. Her name maybe started with a M. I'm not great with names. She told me she does this only in "spare" time to have extra cash and she has a regular job.

I agree on Rocketboy about expections on Artemis but is it really that different in other big FKK? Apartments are as you say more for locals even though I visited some apartments a long time ago, or if you prefer the more private atmosphere or you are pressed for time.

I'd like to see some competition there for Artemis as well, but if there is still none there must be a reason.

In any case, far from being a real heaven, for people like me coming from outside the Country is the right place to have fun and relax for long hours and indeed you can have 4 good sessions in a day, even though I might expect some bad ones can occur (they are happening less to me now than before though).2 sessions are not enough for the long trip and the long hours (that if is I'm there only one day. 2 can be enough in a longer staying). If I were a local I wouldn't do 4 in a day. 2 is maybe the right number in that case, since you can come and go whenever you feel like it.

When I see the session can be on the right track I usually go for one hour though, so it is more relaxed for the girl and for me. And having some good favorite girls always help, being some almost "certain" good sessions.

About Artemis changing over the years, I started going there a long time ago but the only thing that I'm convinced changed is the more aggressive attitude of the girls for the room. Other things are maybe only impressions but: less blonde Polish girls, more silicon, more tatoos.

[Rocketboy0]

In order to avoid disappointment, may I suggest that Crosby, Stills & Nash from Rocketboy`s Heimort may hold the answer in most FKK and Mongering situations?"Love The One You're With".

Xs-first RB's Heimat may not be what you think. Secondu-I am not so sure the rules of free love apply to 60+ Euro love.

Thinking about this the past few days, there are some bits about the Artemis model that could use some daylight. I have been struck again (very recently) by the sense that, on a pure "performance & experience" basis, I have a better time in the private apartment bordellos. To simplify, hotter girls, hotter times. If (a big if) you have the time to investigate it. It is the way to go. It is to be sure not the fun hours and hours watching the scene at Artemis, the relaxation, the chatting with all, the wellness stuff, etc. And it is tougher for tourists and people under time pressure to crack to be sure.

The point is sometimes people have unreasonable expectations at Artemis. It is a fun, mass-tourist fuck factory. Nothing less, but nothing more. The experience there, both the girls and the mongers, have changed over the years and it is now much more of a "throughput" scene. Both mongers and girls have multiple financial incentives to just session as much as possible. To think that this does not affect the quality of sex is rather ludicrous. Particularly on the girl's side.to expect her to be passionate after easily 10 previous sessions late at night is silly. Being with so many men, getting inside their heads, their cultures their languages, their bizarre needs, etc, the girls have to become somewhat distanced. Of course it will vary by individual and by chemistry but mongers just need to understand the context. To expect multiple sessions to be stunning sexual experiences is just unreasonable (unless you are the Great Kimino, who has an unusual talent for these things due to his remarkably sunny nature, and not his albeit of course considerable prowess).

I would be the first to wish for some more competition and have often thought a more boutique version of a slicker FKK could work in Berlin (certainly with better music and less smoke), but also some other payment structure to attract different girls. Not some elite pricey thing like the old Bel Ami but something just smaller, chic-er, more erotic. Artemis when it first opened was a little more like this and had much more turnover and more varied girls which was a plus. Them days are long gone. And it is different being a local vs an occasional tourist, from more expensive, repressive countries, who when they first walk past the men's changing room, often feel understandably they have died and gone to heaven. In fact, they have only gone to Artemis, one of several options...

You can of course get lucky and Arts and just click but it general it is just quick thrills and chills vs some deeper connection. If a monger wants to go beyond this, surely being nice and attentive helps. And some who have "bad" experiences really only have themselves to blame as they have been dickheads, chosen poorly, or both. But the whole, the Art's model certainly as the night progresses later and later, stacks the odds a bit against having a wild passionate time. The scene itself also attracts girls mostly who obviously are in it for the money and the quick turnover, and let us be honest who also are dealing with some tough home situations that pressure them into raising lots of cash. The apartment scene is really different-more local girls & real women, slightly older, who are just part timers and more "into" it; most mongers are more chilled out. It is slightly more expensive (though 1 hr at Artemis and 1 hr in an apartment cost roughly the same-with more food in Arts and more sex in the apartment). To find a good apartment buddy takes more time and there are less choices. You have only the 5 min parade, the lack of food, and wellness stuff and buzz. It just depends upon what you want.

So what to make of all this? On the monger side, if you have time, also try some of the better bordellos. Keep expectations in check in the Love Bahnhoff. Try to get there a earlier than 2100 and take time to size up the scene. Do not ever feel such pressure that you cannot walk away. It is really important to actually not be afraid of bailing, actually not just loving the one you're with. Precisely because this is a PfP situation, you actually need to be more selective. If you don't feel some sort of minimal spark after taking the critical time to talk a bit before making any decisions, or if there is some gut feeling of doubt, don't zimmer. For me 1-2 good sessions easily trump 3-4 mediocre ones, and on a number of occasions over the years, I have simply left ungepopped. If you are a regular, the 12 for 10 card really does help lower the pressure. Go on the power days / nights. Thurs-Sat for more choices. And look, bad sessions can just happen. Nothing to worry about it given the situation which really cannot be taken too seriously. Following some of these suggestions can minimise some of the so so experiences recently described in the forum here. But as always, YMMV.

[West K]

But I wouldn't say it out loud though. You never know. I think they already increased it in the past.

By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange) , blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.

Isn`t she Kimmi? Your discription sound like her.

[Kimino]

By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange), blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.

Sounds pretty interesting. LOL

[Buck Rogers]

Personally I would prefer having decent food a better bar and an entry fee at 90/100.

But I wouldn't say it out loud though. You never know. I think they already increased it in the past.

By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange), blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.

[Kimino]

Definitely, given that it's the only real club in Berlin, there is no competition. The place charges 80 for entry and 60 per session! From my experience of the girls there, it's not a place for top service (you have to really dig in and look for them) , it's very similar setup as Palace of FRA, but with larger facilities. The types of girls are very similar also (tatoos and professional hooker looks). I'm surprised it's not the same ownership.

I really don't understand why it's the only club there, the owner of GT or ACA should open up a decent club there. Try NRW, the price and the services are how it should be!

Actually Artemis already ruined it by pricing the session at 60e. If another club opens up there, how would you get girls to work for less than 60?

Agree!

If some one is very sensible at the prices, should go to NRW or other places, like you suggest.

Personally I would prefer having decent food a better bar and an entry fee at 90/100. A bit like at Andiamo, Austria. (at least that's how it was last time I visited).

Ciao

[Excess]

Good thing this is not a generalization.

Please boyze, can we give this stuff a permanent burial. It is.

1 / Completely subjective.

2 / A matter of chemistry between 2 people.

3 / Every nationality has its pros, its GFEs, its strictly business types. Any "trend" is just rubbish, or a function of a lack of mongering experience.

4 / We could say the same idiotic things about mongers.

In any case- all this, and which FKK is the most bestest etc. All belongs in the Lounge.

Now-back to the main business of this thread. Amalya (RU) , the quirky, petit yet supremely well proportioned blond is back after many months of absence, and this is a very welcome development.

In order to avoid disappointment, may I suggest that Crosby, Stills & Nash from Rocketboy`s Heimort may hold the answer in most FKK and Mongering situations?

"Love The One You're With.

If you're down and confused.

And you don't remember who you're talking to.

Concentration slips away.

Because your baby is so far away.

Well there's a rose in a fisted glove.

And the eagle flies with the dove.

And if you can't be with the one you love, honey.

Love the one you're with.

You got to love the one you're with."

E.

[PussyLiccker]

Artemis was better before 305 I think since it made its name and had no rival around in Berlin area, it doesn't care its customers as before. It will always have lots of customers to make enough profit soI think things are not going well there for us. Before almost all the girls were kissing, now it's not the case. Before girls were more beautiful. More sharks and ugly girls now. Food is bad as always. Just outdoor area is good I've never tried. And I never seen but this messes and soccer crowd make nearly impossible to have fun too.

Result: probably won't go there again; however if I go to Berlin area, it doesn't look there is enough opportunity.

Definitely, given that it's the only real club in Berlin, there is no competition. The place charges 80 for entry and 60 per session! From my experience of the girls there, it's not a place for top service (you have to really dig in and look for them) , it's very similar setup as Palace of FRA, but with larger facilities. The types of girls are very similar also (tatoos and professional hooker looks). I'm surprised it's not the same ownership.

I really don't understand why it's the only club there, the owner of GT or ACA should open up a decent club there. Try NRW, the price and the services are how it should be!

Actually Artemis already ruined it by pricing the session at 60e. If another club opens up there, how would you get girls to work for less than 60?

[Buck Rogers]

2-Been on Monday (14. 10)

Artemis was better before 305 I think since it made its name and had no rival around in Berlin area, it doesn't care its customers as before. It will always have lots of customers to make enough profit soI think things are not going well there for us. Before almost all the girls were kissing, now it's not the case. Before girls were more beautiful. More sharks and ugly girls now. Food is bad as always. Just outdoor area is good I've never tried. And I never seen but this messes and soccer crowd make nearly impossible to have fun too.

Result: probably won't go there again; however if I go to Berlin area, it doesn't look there is enough opportunity.

I have been in Artemis quite a few times over the years. I actually was there on Monday as well and I had lots of fun instead, both with known (to me) girls and new (to me) ones.

It is all relative I guess, there are indeed a lot of girls there I won't ever pay to have sex with (looks-wise) but there is so much choice left, also in a slow day like Monday. Kissing for me is not important in paid sex though so I don't evaluate Artemis on this.

About the management policy, revenue is king so if they have high profits and lots of people, they stick to it. They indeed created the outdoor area for that and they even added rooms outside. From a personal point of view I noticed on some other things they don't particularly care and likely they are more customer-oriented places but I go there for the girls I can find and they provide me with a big choice of girls and a great atmosphere with naked girls everywhere (it is like the supermarket of sex).

Cheers.

Buck

[Alta Reclan]

firstly, sorry about my english. i will try to do my best. first to describe me; i'm in mid of 20s, pretty know the fkk scene.

it's not my first visit at artemis and i don't remember all the names of girls whom i had 4 sessions. artemis was quiet in two days i visited. different type of girls, number at peak 35-45 at weak 15-20. never more than this. i didn't like the food and smoking sometimes kill me and since there is low chance to meet girls out of lounge, it's very hard for me. i found the line-up weaker than my last visit which was about a year ago. there are less model type girls and.mostly- ugly sharks are becoming more visible. i don't think i will repeat. i think there are better in the west. go west.

1-been last wednesday, had sex with a moldovian girl who claims that she has been at artemis since two weeks. nice face, a little bit deformed tits for her age (something between 22-25) but in general very sexy body. dark skinned and auburn hairs.

in general ok but nothing special. low-skilled blowjob. in general: 3/5.

2-been on monday (14. 10), took at first a shark who tried to fuck me three times. i made a mistake and took it. she says she is from germany. a brun with tattoos on her body. 25 or 26 years old. i forget her name. could be heather or sth. she is always with lulu in the bar lounge sitting in front of the door. in the room she told me not to touch her tattoo in the right of her body.she claims she had it recently- which made impossible to have fun. whenever i touched, she warned me. what a bullshit. paid and go.

1/5 attention!

3- second of monday, a namibian black chick. very funny, talkative girl. beautiful body, nice face and 23 years old. besides oily body everything was ok. no kiss at all.

4/5. worth a try.

4- this famous ivy. [CodeWord901] type-look beautiful girl. she told me she has been for 3 years in artemis. she was little bit talkative. ok but not very special. no dfk. but definitely fuckable.

3. 5/5

artemis was better before 305 i think since it made its name and had no rival around in berlin area, it doesn't care its customers as before. it will always have lots of customers to make enough profit soi think things are not going well there for us. before almost all the girls were kissing, now it's not the case. before girls were more beautiful. more sharks and ugly girls now. food is bad as always. just outdoor area is good i've never tried. and i never seen but this messes and soccer crowd make nearly impossible to have fun too.

result: probably won't go there again; however if i go to berlin area, it doesn't look there is enough opportunity.

[Member #4626]

SK-Nice to meet up and your multi-culti harvesting history proves my point about nationalities. But this additional great little story, both for the importance of kissing, and how you managed it (what a project over 4 days), shows you are indeed the ho-whisperer.

Personally I don't care about nationality, I see a person as an individual not part of a group.

I wish I was a ho-whisperer then I didn't had to pay them, but on second thought they won't be ho if I didn't pay them.

About kissing, Samira (DE) changed her statement on day 4 from "I don't kiss. We are here to fuck not love" to "I mean I do kiss but I don't like it". But I didn't took her to the room as it will be awkward / not a good chemistry after 4 days of refusing her.

[Rocketboy0]

she told me from my day 1 visit that she will not kiss. Not even LFK. All 4 days we talked to each other and she remained friendly and sweet and I was asking her if she kiss, we will go to the room. On day 4 I just give up on kissing and took her to the room. I started with DATY, but although she was responsive she didn't seem near orgasm, then she give me a very skillful BBBJ. Then we fucked for like 30 minuets, but I couldn't come and we both were sweating. She asked me what was the problem and I told her that if I don't kiss I can't come. She begun a very good DFK and we fucked for 5 more minutes before I exploded. Although she is only 19 years old, she seems very experienced in the hook.

SK-Nice to meet up and your multi-culti harvesting history proves my point about nationalities. But this additional great little story, both for the importance of kissing, and how you managed it (what a project over 4 days), shows you are indeed the ho-whisperer.

[Member #4626]

I was in Artemis last week from Wednesday through Saturday.

Day 1:

Arrived directly from airport around opening time. Relaxed for couple of hours before my first session.

Nina (Czech) : described many times in this forum, so no need. Knew her from past visits. Had a very GFE 1 hour session with her.

Ruby (ROM) : tall, long fake blond hair, silicon breast, good body and beautiful face. Knew her from past visits. Half hour of GFE.

Adelina (ROM) : beautiful face, little chubby body (is on the website). Knew her from past visits. 1 hour with CIM.

Heather (?) : slim tight body, shoulder length blond hair, pale skin. Had a very sexy lingery. New to me. Good service except only lip kiss.

Day 2:

Arrived around 3:30PM after an erotic massage in Euphorie Massagen and stayed until 3AM. Had a good talk with Kimino and Rocketboy0. Nice meeting you guys.

Nina (Czech) : repeat.

Ruby (ROM) : repeat.

Carla (ROM) : brunet, good body, pointy nose, black shoulder length hair. Knew her from past visits. 1 hour + anal.

Day 3:

Arrived around 3PM and stayed until 2AM.

Amina (Iran) : long black hair, tall, good natural body. New to me. At start of session she pushed a little bit for anal but otherwise good 1 hour session with CIM & DFK.

Martina (Bulgaria?) : Petite, black hair, natural body. Knew her from past visits. Half hour fun with DFK.

Tamara (ROM) : blond shoulder length hair, crooked teeth (but I think she looks cute with it). Knew her from past visits. 1 hour with DFK.

Day 4:

Nina (Czech) : repeat.

Tamara (ROM) : repeat. Colored her hair red!

Morina / Romina? (ROM) : Long black hair, big eyes, dark skin, slim body. New to me. I really liked her body and face and also her attitude, but she told me from my day 1 visit that she will not kiss. Not even LFK. All 4 days we talked to each other and she remained friendly and sweet and I was asking her if she kiss, we will go to the room. On day 4 I just give up on kissing and took her to the room. I started with DATY, but although she was responsive she didn't seem near orgasm, then she give me a very skillful BBBJ. Then we fucked for like 30 minuets, but I couldn't come and we both were sweating. She asked me what was the problem and I told her that if I don't kiss I can't come. She begun a very good DFK and we fucked for 5 more minutes before I exploded. Although she is only 19 years old, she seems very experienced in the hook.

[Rocketboy0]

I cannot generalize but I always had better session with German girls than EE girls.

Good thing this is not a generalization.

Please boyze, can we give this stuff a permanent burial. It is.

1 / Completely subjective.

2 / A matter of chemistry between 2 people.

3 / Every nationality has its pros, its GFEs, its strictly business types. Any "trend" is just rubbish, or a function of a lack of mongering experience.

4 / We could say the same idiotic things about mongers.

In any case- all this, and which FKK is the most bestest etc. All belongs in the Lounge.

Now-back to the main business of this thread. Amalya (RU) , the quirky, petit yet supremely well proportioned blond is back after many months of absence, and this is a very welcome development.

[West K]

In my opinion 20-30 % german girls.

I always have better experience with German girls in Artemis. With them No is No, but they always provide good session. German girls.

There are tattooed up german girls like Nadia, Joy and those group of germans who often sit around bars when you walk into main room (I don't know their names, but they are nice, but quite pushy sales type).

And

There are no or very little tattooed german girls like Ivi, few blonde ones I met during this visit etc.

I cannot generalize but I always had better session with German girls than EE girls. Rather systematic service, but good session. This is only my experience though. However, everyones report on Oase made me interest as I prefer just started in fkk recently girls than experienced in "THE" business girls who I often meet in Artemis lately.