FKK Artemis - Berlin

[ExpatLover]

Al-salaam Sayyid Happy. Nice article. With all these raids in Germany, any other industry would have shrivelled up and died by now. Could it be that FKKs actually serve a real human need?

But I don't have much sympathy for Artemis. They were managing the girls so badly, long before the raids started. My favorite theory is that there was an important politician or big police chief who used to go there regularly for pleasure. Then the girls started to treat him disrespectfully as they did everybody else. One day he felt so humiliated that he ordered that a thousand cops descend on Artemis. I know that's the way I used to feel. (Fortunately for the world I don't possess that kind of power. My emotions would generally cool down after an hour or two anyway.).

Instead of trying to kill Artemis by force, they should let the competition thrive. It is insane that only one FKK is allowed to rule the roost in Berlin, which is twice as big as any other German city. And also insane that Artemis managed to do so badly even with its monopoly status.

I don't believe that they are getting any protection it is just impossible in many European countries, probably half of the clubs will close in Germany in the coming 5 years. No politician will take the risk to be seen visiting a FKK.

[Polyamorist]

Highly recommended reading for those curious about the consequences and follow-up from the June, 2017 Artemis raid:

https://www.donacarmen.de/die-artemi...d-ihre-folgen/#more-704.

Use Google translate if you do not speak German. Fascinating article with many good points.

Article written by the attorney that is bringing the constitutional challenge against the "new" July, 2017 Prostitution Law.

Al-salaam Sayyid Happy. Nice article. With all these raids in Germany, any other industry would have shrivelled up and died by now. Could it be that FKKs actually serve a real human need?

But I don't have much sympathy for Artemis. They were managing the girls so badly, long before the raids started. My favorite theory is that there was an important politician or big police chief who used to go there regularly for pleasure. Then the girls started to treat him disrespectfully as they did everybody else. One day he felt so humiliated that he ordered that a thousand cops descend on Artemis. I know that's the way I used to feel. (Fortunately for the world I don't possess that kind of power. My emotions would generally cool down after an hour or two anyway.).

Instead of trying to kill Artemis by force, they should let the competition thrive. It is insane that only one FKK is allowed to rule the roost in Berlin, which is twice as big as any other German city. And also insane that Artemis managed to do so badly even with its monopoly status.

[ExpatLover]

Highly recommended reading for those curious about the consequences and follow-up from the June, 2017 Artemis raid:

https://www.donacarmen.de/die-artemi...d-ihre-folgen/#more-704.

Use Google translate if you do not speak German. Fascinating article with many good points.

Article written by the attorney that is bringing the constitutional challenge against the "new" July, 2017 Prostitution Law.

Many mongers just believe the reality doesn't exist because they don't like this reality.

[ExpatLover]

Highly recommended reading for those curious about the consequences and follow-up from the June, 2017 Artemis raid:

https://www.donacarmen.de/die-artemi...d-ihre-folgen/#more-704.

Use Google translate if you do not speak German. Fascinating article with many good points.

Article written by the attorney that is bringing the constitutional challenge against the "new" July, 2017 Prostitution Law.

Just confirming what I am writing many times, this club is owned by the HA, behind the scene the things are far less sexy, like in all the clubs, only the very naive guys are still thinking that the girls are in the clubs because they like sex. The things are getting worse and worse, probably 80 percent of the girls are pimped, or married or have a stable BF.

[Pistons]

Unless of course they go too far with these rules. In Artemis's case they might have with one rule: no meeting with customers outside the club. But then again, the girl who told me of this rule could have been lying to me also. But those types of rules, probably made to avoid market loss should be attacked by the police. Just not with 900 policemen, LOL. A warning should suffice if that was it.

Now the girl who went to the cops probably had a story nobody can discuss here at least. And the media shouldn't even mention situations where information is classified due to the mass suggestion of assumptions it afflicts.

[Pistons]

It gets too silly half way through. Couldn't finish reading it. Of course they are mainly right here, but the silliness is the framing by the activist groups and the labeling of words such as slavery. By this definition any job is slavery. And in a way it is. But then you cannot exclusively attack prostitution.

Coining it on rules set by management is probably the main problem I have with their approach. As if these rules are negative towards abuse, instead of positive towards integrity. Any job requires integrity, but the activist groups doesn't like integrity.

[Danny227]

Highly recommended reading for those curious about the consequences and follow-up from the June, 2017 Artemis raid:

https://www.donacarmen.de/die-artemi...d-ihre-folgen/#more-704.

Use Google translate if you do not speak German. Fascinating article with many good points.

Article written by the attorney that is bringing the constitutional challenge against the "new" July, 2017 Prostitution Law.

Super interesting. Thanks.

[Member #4636]

Like I said, Artemis is not the place for the natural 18 years olds, but has many many beauties. Girls are a matter of taste. Artemis has an entire floor down stairs of non smoking, what in the world are you talking about? Please don't confuse with incorrect information. I don't really think much of what you see and don't as it seems like you have never been to Artemis when you say no non smoking area. Girls at Artemis are top notch, just no 18 years old that are new to the business. Artemis has two real issues: outdoor is not green (nice to have some grass), girls are more expensive. Is overall sharks for example more diverse, yes. But depends what one is searching.

Yes there is a non smoking area downstairs but what do you prefer? To be downstairs watching the studs lying by the swimming pool but having some fresh air, or upstairs in the lounge where the fun is supposed to be with the girls but with all the smoke around you? And ohhh yes there is a non smoking area in the toilets as well!

To sum up my issue is not mainly the non smoking area but the service the club provides. It is one of the most expensive with low quality service, robot girls and shity food. I agree with you that at the end of the day it depends on what you are searching but I think the girls is in the top search for all of us. Palace in example has better girls but it lacks of an outdoor area. But I will take the girls first. I don't want to start a fight if Artemis is good or bad but for me it is history.

[UltraHappy]

Highly recommended reading for those curious about the consequences and follow-up from the June, 2017 Artemis raid:

https://www.donacarmen.de/die-artemi...d-ihre-folgen/#more-704.

Use Google translate if you do not speak German. Fascinating article with many good points.

Article written by the attorney that is bringing the constitutional challenge against the "new" July, 2017 Prostitution Law.

[NeedInfo]

I visited Artemis 2 years back. Is the general price per hour still 60 Euros for a 30 min fuck & suck or do you need to haggle with girls now?

[Danny227]

I don't know what you mean by saying better management but a selection of nice girls in their club should be a top priority for the management and I don't see that in Artemis. Not to mention the under average food or the lack of a non smoking area.

Like I said, Artemis is not the place for the natural 18 years olds, but has many many beauties. Girls are a matter of taste. Artemis has an entire floor down stairs of non smoking, what in the world are you talking about? Please don't confuse with incorrect information. I don't really think much of what you see and don't as it seems like you have never been to Artemis when you say no non smoking area. Girls at Artemis are top notch, just no 18 years old that are new to the business. Artemis has two real issues: outdoor is not green (nice to have some grass), girls are more expensive. Is overall sharks for example more diverse, yes. But depends what one is searching.

[TeddyBears]

Currently with the upselling in Oase, Shark and other clubs, there is no big difference anymore in value for money with Artemis. When you go to clubs like Oase or Sharks where everybody knows you, you get better service vs a club they don't know you. True for most clubs. Currently, Artemis has a lot to offer, but again, it depends what you fancy. If you want the natural, new to the business, you will not find many in Artemis. The club is managed much better than Sharks and Oase. Tip top facilities and cleanliness, despite many silly tourists.

I think you are spot on in your comments. Over the years spent in Artemis I have developed a 'deeper' relation with 12-15 girls that I try to see if possible, and as you write with these ladies I get better service then the average customer would get. On my visit last Tuesday I was unlucky because none of these girls were working, and this has never happened to me before.

I think we all understand the girls try to charge more if they can, after all it's about money not love for them. But and its a BIG but I wonder if it's not contra productive simply because if it's get to expensive then many of their customers will spend their money elsewhere. I for one will never spend €50 extra for bareback BJ, but I would accept to spend more time in the room to receive better service. I will be back in Berlin late November if price level stays the same by then, then I will probably not go back to Berlin and Artemis in a few years.

[Member #4636]

. The club is managed much better than Sharks and Oase. Tip top facilities and cleanliness, despite many silly tourists.

I don't know what you mean by saying better management but a selection of nice girls in their club should be a top priority for the management and I don't see that in Artemis. Not to mention the under average food or the lack of a non smoking area.

[TheCanadian]

I will soon be heading to Artemis again. Does anyone know if Akira and Suna both Thai is still around? Or are there other Asian or Latin girls on the menu nowadays?

Sorry for the late response. I can't recall names like Akira or Suna. However during my visit I saw one to two Thais, as well as a few other Asians and Latinas. I'd say the overall lineup had about 70 to 80% European WGs and the rest might be equally distributed to Asians and Latinas. A few Asians may not have the typical look, e. G. Elisa who looks more oriental.

Friday and Saturday could be the preferred days for spotting some (relatively) more Asians and Latinas. On other days one might see a comprised variety.

[Danny227]

Have never visit Sharks but Oase was even worse than this Artemis visit when I was there late 2015. Palace had a decent selection of good looking girls at that time but extremely pushy, almost impossible to be polite when you have turned down the same twenty girls for the sixth time in three hours time. So Frankfurt is not on my to do list in the near future.

Currently with the upselling in Oase, Shark and other clubs, there is no big difference anymore in value for money with Artemis. When you go to clubs like Oase or Sharks where everybody knows you, you get better service vs a club they don't know you. True for most clubs. Currently, Artemis has a lot to offer, but again, it depends what you fancy. If you want the natural, new to the business, you will not find many in Artemis. The club is managed much better than Sharks and Oase. Tip top facilities and cleanliness, despite many silly tourists.