FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Nooky Ninja]

Yes, just that to store 6 million euro in cash at the club must be to do something wrong.

Not cash, value of all assets seized include property on and off site. Good example of how forum going off rails.

HB and Zimmerbaby right. Enough of all legal and criminal speculation. None of us experts, few read Hoch Deutsch, all just blah blah. Opinions based on rumours and even opinions of rumours and rumours of opinions. Lots more going on behind scenes. Better just watch and let it happen as lawyers fight it out on both sides.

Even local journalists just make spin in local papers react to politician's or prosecutor spin. Much bullshit.

So, less foolish forensics, more fucking. Let forum get back to girl reports and new developments. Ninja back for Saturday night, all normal fun full but not too, all relaxed. Around outdoor jacuzzi, 2 new bumsen sofa tents installed. Seem too small for full, round world sex positions but at least encourage outdoor enjoyment. Hope A stay open long enough for warm weather to come and test.

Maybe at least good places to sleep for those with 05.00 flghts.

[FlyByCable]

You don't know what is or was going on in the club. How do you know they did nothing wrong? This is a brothel and not disneyland. And tax issues are definitely not a personal matter. Not in Germany.

HB.

Yes, just that to store 6 million euro in cash at the club must be to do something wrong.

[Hessen Bub]

Too much speculations and overthinking here at the moment. You guys don't know a shit. For the benefit of the forum, and the support of Artemis, ceasefire please!

+1. We will see what happens, club is open.

HB.

[Prurient6]

You don't know what is or was going on in the club. How do you know they did nothing wrong? This is a brothel and not disneyland. And tax issues are definitely not a personal matter. Not in Germany.

HB.

Damn right it isn't. The crappiest FKK is 100 times more interesting than Disneyland.

True that about taxes in Tschermany. When it comes to tax evasion, they're not pussyfooting around, so to speak. That topic is quite bierernst..

[ZimmerBaby]

Maybe the government want to use the club as a refugee camp? Is this the hidden agenda? The outdoor area has got Arabic features which could ease the integration to German society, or maybe HA have installed 4 K spy cams in all the zimmers and will now demand ransom from customers worldwide?

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[Hessen Bub]

However, the club was not doing nothing wrong about all accusations beside tax, as for tax nobody knows as it is personal matter.

You don't know what is or was going on in the club. How do you know they did nothing wrong? This is a brothel and not disneyland. And tax issues are definitely not a personal matter. Not in Germany.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

But it doesn't mean that it is all over. Round one might be over however. So far no news of a knockout by one side or the other has come out as far as I know...

There should be petition documents for appeal at the reception, I will sign it because Artemis is legit club as far as I experienced for 6 years.

Never seen or heard what police are accusing of.

[Pistons]

But it doesn't mean that it is all over. Round one might be over however. So far no news of a knockout by one side or the other has come out as far as I know...

[Mr Ho]

The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.

For instance, if they found document linking HA with the club or drugs on spot, it will be close the next day, but it is not, therefore this is good sign that police did not find something that is solidly concrete to shut it down right away. Also it mean something in another way too, it definitely mean something for men who travel to the club because they want it open. Some people travel far to come to the club, so it mean a lot to them.

However, the club was not doing nothing wrong about all accusations beside tax, as for tax nobody knows as it is personal matter.

[Hessen Bub]

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

Hmmm this is possible, but whole thing about FKK concept was to erase out criminal gang or mafia owning such a business, so I imagined licensing is issued promptly by German fed. What you wrote is like Yakuza here, they do not own the brothel type places, but yakuza own legit business around brothels like towel supplying company, towel / sheet laundry company, condom supplier etc and brothel have to buy it from yakuza company for very expensive price, so it is all legal for yakuza, maybe HA should learn that LOL.

Also they own these legit companies via fund of fund of fund (few behind to make it hard to trace, sometimes even using offshore holding structure).

Well at least, Artemis being open kind of shows police so far did not find critical solid evidence during the bust, so that is good thing because I like current management.

However, I hope this bust somehow refresh line up of Artemis.

[VaeVictis]

Oblivious to the razzia everyone is talking about me and my friend walked in Artemis yesterday (Friday) with every girl and punter chatting about it. Some of the girls seemed worried of what will happen (they feel their business has been hurt) while others seemed OK with it ("today was very good day for me," said one of the girls). Some punters claimed that some of the girls were taken by the police due to their papers not being OK. Most of the girls, more experienced ones, kept shut about the matter entirely and focused their energy on BJs which is fine by me actually. We met up with two Swedes and stayed from early in the morning to midnight.

The LU seemed reduced to me and bit less predictable but I got bored by Artemis LU for some time now so it may not be due to the razzia. Number of punters seemed low in the morning (compared to the usual) but bit better in the evening with several familiar faces among the visitors (I would expect the regulars to avoid the place if they feared another razzia). As I was leaving I hear.

Did not spy any new talent so I decided to go for the safe bets this evening. I sessioned with Ezra (Tur), Sani (Ro) and Elena (Ro). All three have big breasts with Ezra and Elena being naturals and Sani having well done implants.

Ezra is firecracker willing to go along with almost everything. Just don't play with her nipples, she is really sensitive there. This is the only girl I have seen getting off lesbian show. Elena on the other hand is calculated working girl which has excellent memory of any punter that repeats session with her. I am always surprised on the number of details she remember one year after they happened (you have to remember that she goes through couple of hundred men between sessions with a particular punter).

Sani in particular shined really in the room with good enthusiasm. I suspect she is funny and nice to talk to but with my school German communication is bit difficult. But talk is not why I visit Artemis so that is OK.

[Member #4399]

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

What is really puzzling to me is that almost all messages here simply want to 'find' something illegal in Artemis.

So far nobody has come up with anything substantial.

When I wrote about the absence of naming drugs, you jump in to suggest drugs might be in play.

It is really puzzling.

[PussyLiccker]

Well these brother had money, so I doubt HA gave money to influence their decision in business. As for some girls having pimps are possible, but that has nothing to do with clubs and police cannot prove they knew or they did not know that.

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

[ZimmerBaby]

Brilliantly written report amidst the gloom following the events this week. Loved it. I won't trouble you for her number by PM. Not sure I'd fancy what you went through but a really good read and thanks for lightening the mood.

Thank you for kind words sir! Happy to please (within certain limits).