FKK Artemis - Berlin

[PussyLiccker]

What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.

Second, I've read somewhere IFA is a big even in Berlin. Is it not recommended to attend during this time? It is the only club in Berlin so I can imagine the place turning into a mad house. Does this even draw a big LU? Is there are duration in the club during this even that the place isn't overly crowded? After this event, does the LU sustain?

What is the estimation of the turnout of the girls on a good night? Which night during the week would have the best turn-out? Is there are particular day of the week that the ratio of girls to boys are the best?

[FlyByCable]

I think it's very cheap whatsoever, compared to what its cost here in Sweden. You want find any sex here at all for 60 euro. Not even the free sex cost less. LOL.

If I was a sex working girl I wouldn't handle to do that work the girls at Artemis or other "tourist" clubs does, no way, not for that kind of small money.

Just think about to meet all this drunk and drooling men looking like Homer Simpson thinking about donuts. Huuu!

But still, I almost never give tip to the girls. If I should give a tip the session really need to be a wonderful Hallelujah Moment. So to all of you Artemis girls reading here, give me a Hallelujah Moment and I will dig real DEEP in my wallet. LOL.

Once again. What do you guys think about the upcoming "pool party" event? Any thoughts at all? Anyone of you going there? I have never been to such an event and I don't know what to expect with a visit? Maybe more drunk men? I'm not sure if I shall re-book my hotel room from Friday to Wednesday? The whether is expected to be better at Friday.

[Member #4449]

All depends on what you call a good session.

HB.

Now that is the 1 million dollar question, and a very subjective one.

I can try to explain.

Good Session, can be done around the 30 min mark or longer, involves a little foreplay, good technical skilled sex. Where there are no shortcuts from your provider, puts down all her skills and efforts. You leave satisfied and you feel that you got your moneys worth. I have a suspicion that this is what more experienced mongers would label as an average session.

Very good session for me is GFE, 1 hour or more, a lot of foreplay, maybe just laying next to each other making out, teasing from both party's, very slow build up, DATY, passionate sex, the technical aspect is not important here, and ends with cuddling and a little talking. At no point is money or time mention in these sessions, it just flows, and ends when you feel it the right time to end it.

Spectacular, will not label these as sessions as time is irrelevant. The bar here is set by my regular escort, I visit 2 or 3 times a year for a weekend or short week. Wine, dine and the whole shebang.

In FKK land, 2 maybe 3 lady's has achieved this. It involves all the GFE elements from above, but add mutual orgasms, makes you achieve an orgasm that leaves your legs shaking and toes curling. It makes you forget time and place the rest of the world just phases out, you lower all your guards and barriers.

On the other hand, pun intended. The strongest orgasm I have achieved has been trough tantric and lingam massage, from a masseuse that has studied this for many years. It leaves your entire body tingling, your legs shaking and your hips raised in the air, it is nothing like sex, just pure sensation. This is something I have experienced only 4 or 5 times in my life. In Berlin, Kashima. De offers this experience.

[Hessen Bub]

I This year I had only 2 bad session and that was because my own stupidity, imagine experimenting with 4 or more clubs else where. I doubt I would have the same success rate.

All depends on what you call a good session.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

We can argue that 50-60 euro is not as much as it was 15 years ago and that influx of EE girls have pushed the prices down (and therefore that real income has gone down) but on the other hand there is very few normal jobs which will give you this much income for 30 minute job (or tbh in most cases in Artemis a 15-20 min job). I have heard girls complain of slow day when they only pulled in 430 euros. Ofc they got expenses too and I suspect that some of them are turning over they money to third parties (esp Romanian girls) but certainly a german girl is earning more money in a week than a high paying German does in a month. Just look at the cars some of the girls are having.

I can see it being attractive still for Germans. Those that are lacking education or supplementing income. 50 or 60 Euros in a half hour is still a quick rate if comparing it to what other work there are that can fetch that amount at their age without skills. I have seen Germans show up only on weekends and this would be due to other engagements during the week perhaps another work or schooling if they are young. I have met the Germans that had more difficulty with English and would guess those are the types that lack some education or motivation for it. Few others that had full-time job during the week, and I see them at the club for the weekend to make extra quick money, and some don't show every weekend. And lastly, it's in cash.

[Member #4449]

I spent just shy of 3 k Euro over 5 days at Artemis this year, 100 in tips, 30 Euro on 30 min sessions with excellent service, where I should have extended. 70 on above and beyond service and free time. I am amazed that I got free time this year, and free time last year as a tourist, and I think that should be rewarded since they know I would not be a regular. 1 hour sessions with good service or with extras I did not tip. I believe this is a good balance. As a whole I think over tipping is bad for tourists and locals in the long run. Tip where tipping is due, but not overdo it. The American model where 10% tip is bad service and 20% or more is good service, just hurts us all.

About the Artemis pricing. For tourists like me with limited time it is pure convenience, I know I would get more bang for my buck in other parts of Germany, but it would also be way more hassle with multiple flights, travels, hotels, rental car etc. Artemis for me means direct flight, cheep hotel, very easy access by public transport. And I am willing to pay extra for that, and that makes Artemis the tourist club it is, for the good and the bad.

Also having just one choice you can get more prepared, less names to remember. And you can repeat with the good ones. Doing 5 clubs in 5 days in Frankfurt, is a way bigger gamble. This year I had only 2 bad session and that was because my own stupidity, imagine experimenting with 4 or more clubs else where. I doubt I would have the same success rate. So yes I have no problems with the Artemis prices, but it would suck if I lived in Berlin.

[PussyLiccker]

For those of us accustomed to paying 100 Euro / hour in Hessen, paying 120 Euros / HR already feels like we're tipping them. Like this, Artemis girls already have a built-in tip included in their base price.

Plus, doesn't Berlin have a cheaper cost of living than Hessen anyways?

Or you can also think of it as paying 25 Euros tip in Hessen for 1 HR if comparing to Samya. Or 20 Euros comparing to Aca. NRW club prices has risen recently due to Oceans, but before GT/LR pricing was 50 for first half, and 25 after. All different types of extended rates. Or we can think of CIM tipping 25 extra in Hessn, or 50 for Anal. Just difference in prices. Good competition over there too.

[Hessen Bub]

For those of us accustomed to paying 100 Euro / hour in Hessen, paying 120 Euros / HR already feels like we're tipping them. Like this, Artemis girls already have a built-in tip included in their base price.

Plus, doesn't Berlin have a cheaper cost of living than Hessen anyways?

Yes. And yes again. Plus one of the highest entry fees due to the monopolistic situation in Berlin.

HB.

[UltraHappy]

For those of us accustomed to paying 100 Euro / hour in Hessen, paying 120 Euros / HR already feels like we're tipping them. Like this, Artemis girls already have a built-in tip included in their base price.

Plus, doesn't Berlin have a cheaper cost of living than Hessen anyways?

[FiddyCent]

Thanks FiddyCent for your comments. Yes, I read your report with great interest. I learned a lot and put it to good practice.

No problem Trizen. It makes me happy every time I read about a success story. I used to visit Artemis at least once a year, but I thought most of the good girls have either moved on or retired. In its heyday, you would have met a girl like Nina. She was probably one of the most talked about gals at the club. You would also get the tattooed porn star types like Nika and Lulu. There were also very pretty girls like Polish Hannah. I am just reminiscing about the club and the girls that you had sessions with. Lucky for you that you met a girl like Maya. I am curious to know what her porn name was. I hope you could share your secret with us. You could also PM me, if you have a subscription.

Happy mongering!

FiddyCent.

[VaeVictis]

I know americans have a different mentality to this but FKKs are not in the USA and around the rest of the world tipping is reserved for really exceptional service.

The reason Americans have different tipping mentality is because in certain services industry jobs (like waitress) tipping is big part of the income. Reason being that base salary is very low.

Otherwise I strongly agree with your sentiment.

My view:

We can argue that 50-60 euro is not as much as it was 15 years ago and that influx of EE girls have pushed the prices down (and therefore that real income has gone down) but on the other hand there is very few normal jobs which will give you this much income for 30 minute job (or tbh in most cases in Artemis a 15-20 min job). I have heard girls complain of slow day when they only pulled in 430 euros. Ofc they got expenses too and I suspect that some of them are turning over they money to third parties (esp Romanian girls) but certainly a german girl is earning more money in a week than a high paying German does in a month. Just look at the cars some of the girls are having.

You will not impress them with 40 euro tip for a rushed job, you will simply mark yourself as gullible target. And ofc if she receives tip for substandard service what will be her reason to improve herself? So basically you just rewarded someone for mediocre service, ensuring you get same level of service next time and in same time ruining experience (by lowering the bar of what is acceptable service) for the next guy.

I strongly advise people to view this hobby as business transaction first and foremost. Always respect the girl but never be in doubt that if you got heart attack while being in process of paying them most of them would probably steal your wallet first before calling for help (and some of them wouldn't even do that).

My rule for tipping:

Did she give you service and a experience that you cannot experience with 90% of every other girl in Artemis or for that matter any other FKK? She deserves tipping.

None of the 22 sessions I had in Artemis qualified for this. The only girl I tipped was my first experience in a FKK. I tipped her because I did not know any better and did not want to be asshole towards the girl (her "service"* was shitty compared to every other girl. And I had some crappy ones).

*Talking about Nicole from CZ.

[Trizen]

A beautiful brunette approached me named Alita. She is from Greece. Total shark.

Well, I am glad you executed the game plan quite well for a rookie. I can tell you read my report because that is exactly what I would do if I were in your shoes.

FiddyCent.

Thanks FiddyCent for your comments. Yes, I read your report with great interest. I learned a lot and put it to good practice.

[FlyByCable]

I had planned a visit to the Artemis at Friday (7th) the coming week but now I see they have an event "Pool Party" at Wednesday (5th).

Hmm, I have never been to such an event at Artemis. Do you think it's worth a visit? What day do you think there will be most girls?

[PayForIt]

Insanity is not a crime, or are you a WG from Artemis?

SepticMoose you are probably wondering why they guys on the forum are giving you some grief and you asked why the guys are so measly. It is not that the guys (or me!) are mean.

It is as easy as this: if you tip every girl because you think €60 is not enough, you will lower levels of service for all mongers. Tipping in an FKK is no different than tipping in other service environments: if you get exceptional service you should tip and tip well. If you receive normal service you should not tip. I know americans have a different mentality to this but FKKs are not in the USA and around the rest of the world tipping is reserved for really exceptional service. If girls know they will get a tip whatever the service their service will be mechanical. I don't blame them actually. I can fully understand why a girl having to give 10 blow jobs in a day would not be so inclined to give the last two the same effort as the first two. That is human nature, fatigue etc. But if girls realise that when they do go the extra mile for a punter they get a good tip they try harder.

Now some punters are mean: giving an Ultrahappy kiss as a tip is something the girl probably would have paid NOT to receive!

Only joking UH but you walked into it!

So SepticMoose. No grief from me. But please think about other mongers when adopting policies in FKK. It is important for us all that the girls do offer top service. As it is the girls in Artemis get a way with a lot because there is no rival club in Berlin.

[ClitTeaser]

Insanity is not a crime, or are you a WG from Artemis?

+1.

True 60 Euro is not much but pros in Berlin are not rare either.