FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Akibono]

This was a terrific report, Norjan, thanks.

This penultimate paragraph of your report made me laugh. I thought I was a hygiene freak! You are on another level, man!

I'm also not in a hurry to be in contact with other men's fluids however conveyed, but worrying about coming into contact with a faint residue of cum from the shower thermostat after spending 90 minutes licking a prostitute's well-fucked pussy or DFK'ing her 30 minutes after she just took a huge load in her mouth? I suggest to you that the temperature control in the showers is not the gravest danger spot in the house when it comes to the threat of encountering male semen.

Anyway, it just seemed comic to me because I could identify with both the mania about semen-contact and the illogic of practising it minutes after willingly ingesting spoonfuls of the stuff straight off some brass's body.

Best,

C

It is quite ironic that the person who is afraid of germs ends of spraying his spunk all over the room. Then on top of that he insults both the german theke and the asia guest. Meanwhile he is the one pissing in the bushes. Priceless!

[Kimino]

thanks for the response. I understand your point about waving lists ostentatiously around the bar area. That would be somewhat gauche. But surely a discreetly monitored crib-sheet highlighting the recommendations of a few proven judges from this forum wouldn't do any harm? I have employed similar tactics in the past without feeling that I was dehumanising the ladies.

C

Ciao Charlie.

My point was not about dehumanising, although this kind of scientific approach does take some "poetry" away from the game, but was more on the quality and the criteria of putting together the list.

Not all reports are the same, not all reporters are the same. If you copy / paste having never met any of the girls involved, having visited the place once, and knowing probably very little of the writers you can't avoid big mistakes.

And the lists becomes of little use. You risk loosing some gems just because they are colored in red and vice versa.

I prefer taking my risks, as you know.

But again, it's personal and it's lovely. Ahah.

I'll think about it on Tuesday / wed, by the pool.

Yessssssssss!

All the best!

[Charlie 123]

Now it was time for a shower. Felt good to clean up but I waited until there where only one more guy in the showers and I used my elbows to handle the mixer tap. Don't want other guys cum on my hands. Norjan

This was a terrific report, Norjan, thanks.

This penultimate paragraph of your report made me laugh. I thought I was a hygiene freak! You are on another level, man!

I'm also not in a hurry to be in contact with other men's fluids however conveyed, but worrying about coming into contact with a faint residue of cum from the shower thermostat after spending 90 minutes licking a prostitute's well-fucked pussy or DFK'ing her 30 minutes after she just took a huge load in her mouth? I suggest to you that the temperature control in the showers is not the gravest danger spot in the house when it comes to the threat of encountering male semen.

Anyway, it just seemed comic to me because I could identify with both the mania about semen-contact and the illogic of practising it minutes after willingly ingesting spoonfuls of the stuff straight off some brass's body.

Best,

C

[Charlie 123]

I think the senior members do not like the way that person is treating women. Lists suggests that women are commodities to be bought and sold. In some ways this dehumanizes them and in other ways it is highly disrespectful. One of the first things you learn about lists is that it is very difficult to associate a name with a girl. Most look pretty similar if you just go by color of hair and tit size. So, that means you have to go around asking lots of girls their name and where they are from. Then you reject them until you "find" your target. Nothing makes you look like a Neaderthal than that. Have a little sophistication or meet up with a senior member who can subtlely point you out some good girls. Then learn to have a bit of charm and game. As the saying goes, you can give a man a fish or teach him how to fish.

The other thing about lists is that the best girls are often never mentioned here. Who likes his favorite to be monopolized by a bunch of newbies? On the other hand, girls with bad reputations are also not reported because some guys don't feel a need to retaliate. So, lists do not help in all circumstances. Finally, there is no sure thing. You just have to invest a few Euros. You will find some gems, but also a few duds. That is the nature of the game. If you can't afford a few misses, then you really should not be in this game.

thanks for the response. I understand your point about waving lists ostentatiously around the bar area. That would be somewhat gauche. But surely a discreetly monitored crib-sheet highlighting the recommendations of a few proven judges from this forum wouldn't do any harm? I have employed similar tactics in the past without feeling that I was dehumanising the ladies.

C

[Charlie 123]

Charlie, I can't forget the lap dance incident.

Was / Is there music in the rooms? I have'nt thought about that cause my focus have been elsewhere once in a room.

What does she look like, your performer?

Norjan, with new flift tickets to Berlin in my mailbox

Hi,

It really was just one of those spur-of-the moment things, and as such it was sexy and fun. The girl's name is Gabizca from Hungary, early 20's, quite short, cute roundish face with a tiny stud just above her upper lip, large and slightly pendulous breasts, speaks good English. It should be easy enough to track her down. She was there this week.

Yes, there is piped music in the rooms. Not as loud as in the bar area, but sufficient to act as an adequate backing track for any gyrations that you might elicit from your companion.

Alternatively, I am there most weeks during the midweek period; if you would like me to point her out to you then just pm me with your attendance details and we'll arrange to meet.

Best,

Charlie

[Nebula2001]

Q: Any suggestions / tips about stuff to bring?

There isn't really anything crucial. Deodorant+Parfum sounds like a nice idea that I should give a try to. But, if you just be sensible and take a thorough shower after every session of sex / sauna / exercise, you should be fine. You could of course use mint, if you're smoking. And chocolate can be quite useful both to get sugar into your system (as they don't offer sweets in the dining room) and to offer a girl to score some extra points.

Q: When is lingerie nights? (it doesn't say on their page, but am I correct about every Wednesday?).

Every Wednesday.

Q: Payment. Have I understood it correct if one agrees upon a price before or during a session with a girl and when done both walk together to your "money-locker" (which is a different one than where you have your clothes) and payment is done here?

The prices are standard and you don't really need negotiate about them, though you could ask the girl beforehand just make sure how things work.

I personally keep all my stuff including my wallet in the less secure clothing lockers, so that I count my money (and maybe add a tip if I feel like it) without the girl waiting / watching behind me. Also, I tend to forget things and I'm sure I would forget to get my wallet and phone from the second locker while leaving.

Q: Are there any place where one can withdraw and maybe even taking a nap?

There isn't a truly private place to take a nap, but the downstairs floor has many places suitable for a power nap.

Q: To those who have been there a couple of times, besides being clean and fresh, are there any special hygiene precosions one should take? Because Norjan is making me nervous.

Norjan certainly seems to take things a little to the extreme, though there isn't anything wrong with being extra careful.

I would just suggest, as I said before, taking a thorough shower between every sort of activity. Some men seem to be not very comfortable with being naked around other men and therefore may tend to avoid full showering as much as they can. If you are like that, try to get over it. How do I know this? I used to be like that a few years ago. Having started to be completely comfortable with it, I can say it makes a very big difference in both enjoying the club (feeling completely refreshed and clean certainly boosts your enthusiasm) and getting a better experience with the girls.

Q: The fitness room. I like to keep in shape and if I'm going to be there for a whole day I'm thinking of spending some time here. Are there any girls using this room? Can one ask a girl of choice to join for a little workout and end up in a session here? That would fulfill a fantasy or two.

I heard many girls mentioning they do exercise in the fitness room, but don't count on seeing any girl doing much of an exercise during opening hours, especially later in the day. I have never asked a girl to do exercise with me, but my guess is that she wouldn't want to get tired and lose her make-up and hair styling during work. Though, just having sex in the fitness room may be possible. Most girls don't have any problem with doing it in public and the only possible problem I can think of may arise if sex is prohibited in the fitness room, like it is in the downstairs lounge area.

Q: What's the price for a VIP suite? How does one arrange a session with 2-3 girls in here?

No idea on that.

Also, make sure to have a look at the Artemis Guide by Angus at.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=690

[Turn Around]

Hi, thank you for all the good information on this forum.

I have quite a few questions about Artemis:

I see some of you guys are mentioning taking with you "your stuff"/"bringing your bag" to Artemis.

The girls got all the sex stuff of course (condoms, lube.).

So I'm wondering, what should one bring to Artemis / an FKK club?

I'm thinking of perfume, mints for your breath maybe etc. Would be nice to freshen up in between session you know.

Q: Any suggestions / tips about stuff to bring?

Q: When is lingerie nights? (it doesn't say on their page, but am I correct about every Wednesday?).

Q: Payment. Have I understood it correct if one agrees upon a price before or during a session with a girl and when done both walk together to your "money-locker" (which is a different one than where you have your clothes) and payment is done here?

Q: Are there any place where one can withdraw and maybe even taking a nap?

Q: To those who have been there a couple of times, besides being clean and fresh, are there any special hygiene precosions one should take? Because Norjan is making me nervous.

Q: The fitness room. I like to keep in shape and if I'm going to be there for a whole day I'm thinking of spending some time here. Are there any girls using this room? Can one ask a girl of choice to join for a little workout and end up in a session here? That would fulfill a fantasy or two.

Q: What's the price for a VIP suite? How does one arrange a session with 2-3 girls in here?

Thank you!

[Akibono]

I'm getting confused about this furore about that guy's list.

I pretty much agree with the suggestions above.

However most of the opposing views come from people on this forum that I respect and normally find myself in agreement with about most issues of P4P ethics.

What am I missing here?

Charlie

I think the senior members do not like the way that person is treating women. Lists suggests that women are commodities to be bought and sold. In some ways this dehumanizes them and in other ways it is highly disrespectful. One of the first things you learn about lists is that it is very difficult to associate a name with a girl. Most look pretty similar if you just go by color of hair and tit size. So, that means you have to go around asking lots of girls their name and where they are from. Then you reject them until you "find" your target. Nothing makes you look like a Neaderthal than that. Have a little sophistication or meet up with a senior member who can subtlely point you out some good girls. Then learn to have a bit of charm and game. As the saying goes, you can give a man a fish or teach him how to fish.

The other thing about lists is that the best girls are often never mentioned here. Who likes his favorite to be monopolized by a bunch of newbies? On the other hand, girls with bad reputations are also not reported because some guys don't feel a need to retaliate. So, lists do not help in all circumstances. Finally, there is no sure thing. You just have to invest a few Euros. You will find some gems, but also a few duds. That is the nature of the game. If you can't afford a few misses, then you really should not be in this game.

[Norjan]

Charlie, I can't forget the lap dance incident.

Was / Is there music in the rooms? I have'nt thought about that cause my focus have been elsewhere once in a room.

What does she look like, your performer?

Norjan, with new flift tickets to Berlin in my mailbox

[Norjan]

January's MIA (Monger I Admire) is finally posted. Have a look.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=705

AM

Not sure if I should say thank you but I do so anyway.

Norjan, with new flight tickets to Berlin in his mailbox

[Charlie 123]

I don't understand. What exactly makes a thread like this alright but a list which is basically just this thread but all the BS posts thrown out so bad?

Sure if you go to a club often enough and know just about everybody you'll quickly learn who the sharks are, but for those who visit so few times lists like these are a wallet saver.

I'm getting confused about this furore about that guy's list.

I pretty much agree with the suggestions above.

However most of the opposing views come from people on this forum that I respect and normally find myself in agreement with about most issues of P4P ethics.

What am I missing here?

Charlie

[Gustoomas]

I do not think this is correct. If you register right now you can't open attachment without paying the subsciption fee. Or am I wrong?

HB

I have the same feeling.

[Stifler]

Forget that I asked for her name, don't post it if you know.

[Stifler]

Ok, since I haven't before been to any place like this nor have I before paid for sex its quite hard to make any kind of comparisons. English isn't my first language so the text will probably be flawed.

Anyways, I arrived at Artemis by S-Bahn at about 15:30. Somewhat nervous as I arrived at the reception desk but that went away quite fast after showering and change into robe.

Artemis wasn't the reason for me coming to Berlin but rather just a day where I wanted to come away from reality since a recent heartbreak (in lack of better word). I wasn't sure that I would do anything but smoke a ton of cigarettes and hang.

The quite recent love mishap has made me a bit hesitant of beginning to date again and pretty much makes you make certain strange and self destructive things, in my case I deeply inside me knew I would leave there with a bitter taste. But my curiosity and complete block about how I might feel about myself later made me go anyway.

There wasn't that many men when I arrived, but a few ladies. Most of the good looking. Wandering around like it was totally normal for them (it probably is) , which made a whole atmosphere of normality. I first went in to the bar to get a beer where I immediately was approached by a black woman (only one I later saw managing to get some guy buying her champagne) whom I politely told perhaps later (which would be my mantra this night). She looked a bit angry but eventually walked off.

Soon after I was approached by a Romanian girl (the one I asked for what her name was) and she started talking and I was a bit surprised by her seeming like an intelligent / attractive normal girl, I thought most conversations would be like "want a blow job and fuck" which pretty much removes any kind of emotional bonding between two people. However, I hadn't really settled in nor really come to terms of me being there, so I told her perhaps later when settled in.

What followed was quite a few hours of me smoking 2. 5 pack of cigarettes plus a few beers and endless amount of water (because of smoking) sitting by the bar mostly, and the only room I went to was the bathroom to get rid of all this water (and I also noticed that it was only like one out of ten who washed their hans after being on the toilet, what up with that?). During this time there was a lot of girls that went up and started talking (mostly romanians who were really nice and attractive) but I tried to cut it short since I wasn't really getting on in this environment, it was too much of a meat market for me plus I reacted badly at how some people there were (some of the other seemed like quite good guys, so I'm not making any judgement on them). It was an really unpleasant feeling though to see them walk off with one you knew was an asshole. I just hope they had the decency / intelligence (which I don't really think since they were idiots) to at least treat the girls good. This is one thing I'm now after my visit still really bothered with.

Anyways, a lot later from me coming there the place was quite packed and I was really thinking of calling it a quit but I thought that if I saw that second girl I would perhaps give it a try (also knowing that I would feel bad about it later). Well I did't had to wait that long since she approached me from the back not long afterwards. I said sure, just had to smoke up my cigarette first. Off we went, but the rooms were full so we talked a bit more, again, a really nice girl. At this time I started becoming anxious and nervous (my normal self is quite calm and not as neurotic as this text might imply, I was a emotional wreck at this time) but not in a way that could be seen that much outwardly, I believe.

Here she told me that she was 22 and some other things, I don't want to go into specifics, and it hit me that since I'm just about her age (mid twenties) and coming from a quite a good and safe upbringing there was something there (hard to explain) that made me feel not so good. She would be the kind of girl that I would date both personality wise and looks.

I look ok myself. But I think that as a young guy (not having done anything like this before) you're in a dating mode where you just ask girls out that you find attractive / interesting. This is not a place for that and I guess you have to learn how to shut some mental reactions off. Anyways, a big room got available and I felt nervous and had the guilt trip of my life, but couldn't just go away since that would probably make her think about what went wrong. She didn't upsell (or what its called) and nothing bad at all except for my performance, which I tried to make quick so she didn't loose any more time. I pretty much rushed out afterwards. In "real life" of course I would have enjoyed it more.

I paid her and went to take a shower. Going back into the bar she stood by the opening and didn't look at me / looking down as I walked by (not 100% that if it was meant or that she just didn't notice, hard not to since well she stood there trying to get new customers) and this was pretty much the last and biggest drop that made me feel shittier than I think ever before. And still one week after do feel.

Stayed a couple of hours more and then left at 03:20 something.

Hi,

Does anyone know what the name of this girl might be? She is Romanian, brown eyes, brown hair, somewhat curly hair, natural slim body and 22 years old.

I could write a report about my day there later, but I'm afraid it would be a bit depressing and uneventful.

Anyways, would really appreciate if someone could help me with this one.

Thanks

don't think I will go back but if anyone knows her name it wouldn't hurt to have it.

I'm not in any way making judgement on you guys who treat these ladies well, but to those of you who don't I honestly think you're the lowest of the lowest in this world.

[Hessen Bub]

No, anyone can open the list. You need to register, and be a member of the site however.

I do not think this is correct. If you register right now you can't open attachment without paying the subsciption fee. Or am I wrong?

HB