Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[Member #4581]

If you are comparing to US prices, then stay in the US or at least keep it to yourself and prevent naive newbies who are reading this from inflating the market. Promoting the notion that paying 200 E for a good session without extras is reasonable, well that is ludicrous. I've paid 200 E for an hour once, but I was intoxicated and inebriated. Even then, she spent a total of 3 hours with me including time outside the room.

As I said below to someone else, you really need to focus and read, before attacking my comment.

The 200 an hour is a worst case scenario, with the assumption that 50% of the sessions are completely worthless. And that is not the case because one has to be an idiot to be selecting bad girls and bad sessions at such alarmingly terrible rate. However, even in a bad session the guy is getting sex for nearly 30 min with a girl he found attractive.

So, my point was that the very very worst scenario in FKK was still at a better price / performance relative to the US.

You might or might not agree with that analysis. Who cares. But saying that I promoted 200 E is a reasonable price, or that I was inviting newbies from inflating the market -- it is preposterous claim and a needless personal attack. It would be helpful if you think a bit before you hurl personal insults at others.

[Takedown]

I just spent 6 weeks (June / July), 1-2 sessions everyday, and my error rate (bad sessions) was quite high, whether a complete mistake or simply just buyer's remorse, somewhere between 25-50%.

If you add all the costs I mention and now this also, the cost per pop goes really high! For me at least.

But I am completely nonplussed by mongers that rave about FKK from different parts of the Globe!

Suda / central America has Mexico and Colombia.

The us has about 10 million hookers (not to even mention the millions of barbie dolls in Canada), of varying degrees of beauty service and price.

Guys that fly from America to monger in FKK regularly, must not know where to find the millions of hookers in every city / state.

You're either a really bad monger or highly selective if your dissatisfaction rate is anywhere near 50%.

Since you spent over a month in Germany FKK, your travel / overhead cost become minimized. Your cost per pop should be significantly lower than somone on a 4 day weekend trip. For the cost per pop to be anywhere near the US rates, Assuming an average decent girl to cost say $300, you would have to screw up at least 3 or 4 selections for every one good session for the cost to even out.

Mexico? Never seen a WG in Mex that I would pay for.

10 million WG's in the US? It's probably about 10-20% that number.

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[Takedown]

.... two hundred per hour for good sessions is a pretty reasonable price in my view, when you consider equivalent prices for similar looking girls is much higher, in my view. If you could find and fuck such hot girls in the US for two hundred an hour, I invite you to tell us where.

If you are comparing to US prices, then stay in the US or at least keep it to yourself and prevent naive newbies who are reading this from inflating the market. Promoting the notion that paying 200 E for a good session without extras is reasonable, well that is ludicrous. I've paid 200 E for an hour once, but I was intoxicated and inebriated. Even then, she spent a total of 3 hours with me including time outside the room.

[AznHotBoy]

If you could find and fuck such hot girls in the US for two hundred an hour, I invite you to tell us where.

I think this guy is trolling. The hookers I would consider fucking are pretty much walking court cases. The uglier ones are less likely to blackmail you or cause any issues but I'm not so desperate to fuck such ugly ones. The cost for the ugly one isn't cheap either average cost is $200 an hour. You can find better for the same price in Canada.

Also FKKs have a different experience to them, it's a spa for men. Relaxation, looking at girls, and sex in one place. Something that doesn't exist in the states or Canada. This guy clearly wants to troll us.

[Sirioja]

Most people who complain about bad session want everything and want to pay as little as possilbe.

The younger and better looking the girl, the less likely the service will be good. They have options and are in demand.

You choose the girl, but she chooses what session she will give you. If you are rude, a cheap charlie, or not attractive, your session will go down.

Not always only money, but for sure you get from what you are, from your behavior and manners. You make your own time quality with the girl, most of girls are just happy to please you, without asking for extra nor tip. When I explained to my Wellcum Romanian Eve, I didn't want to cum before going to climb Zoncolan even I had 1 hour driving and about 1 hour to prepare, but need all nerves pressure for a bit more than 1 hour to get heart in red zone with body and head burning everywhere, hell for devil, my Eve was looking at me like a alien and she was so happy when I came back on evening and finished, then she smiled checking condom. I even discovered when you really make cum some of these girls, not fake moaning, but cyprine and they ask you for few minutes about clit in fire, then You can get power on these girls, even You will always have to pay, but not always same rate than usual rate.

Making the mistake to go to Hamburg on this week end, discovering a new Romanian jewel, just starting little mum, on Saturday for our first time she was passionate, yesterday even she had to wait the end of Formula 1 I was watching, even she was sick, she was so hot. After our room, she was more and more sick, but didn't dare to ask for leaving because she is new, so she asked me if I could stay with her. I took hot milk with honey for her, put towel around her and she slept on me on couch, to wait her time to finish. Of course all girls were looking at us, stupid Renata asking her if I paid her for this when she just wanted not to feel her pain. On Saturday early afternoon, when she was with her friend Renata who asked me to go to room, she asked me why I didn't go with Renata who seems to think she is a star, so I went with classy Masha, then gorgeous Nadja. Pol, before discovering this new Romanian jewel, even just starting since less than 1 week, but far higher my 5 other Hamburg girls on week end, even higher than superstar sweet and lovely Nicole. Ro, but now she knows why I chose her, even I couldn't resist to taste stunning Bambi. De when my new Eve finished on last evening, but my biggest mistake is now 900 kms to drive to new Eve in Harmony Eden garden.

Manners also pay, not only money with some girls.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Most people who complain about bad session want everything and want to pay as little as possilbe.

The younger and better looking the girl, the less likely the service will be good. They have options and are in demand.

You choose the girl, but she chooses what session she will give you. If you are rude, a cheap charlie, or not attractive, your session will go down.

Most people who complain about bad session want everything and want to pay as little as possible.

And please give us an idea how you define "cheap charlie".

I find it difficult to appreciate your point even if you aren't joking? Using such vague terms make it difficult to discuss.

Unless you don't want anyone to disagree because, how does one disagree when someone says things so outrageously subjective?

Rude? Can you elaborate what you think constitutes being rude?

Not attractive? Care to elaborate on what you think qualifies?

[Akibono]

I will add something to what UH already said so well. Say, you accept that other guy's argument (A) even in the so called bad session, you still get some sort of blow job and fuck a hot girl in one or multiple positions for nearly 30 min, even assuming there is some cheating on time (b) say, half of your sessions are these so called bad sessions. Then effectively, you paid one hundred per half hour or two hundred per hour for a good session, assuming the bad session is worth zero euro.

OK first of all, 50% is a very high percent for being bad sessions, one has to be terrible girl picker to have such bad luck. But even if that was the case, on an effective basis, two hundred per hour for good sessions is a pretty reasonable price in my view, when you consider equivalent prices for similar looking girls is much higher, in my view. If you could find and fuck such hot girls in the US for two hundred an hour, I invite you to tell us where.

Most people who complain about bad session want everything and want to pay as little as possible.

The younger and better looking the girl, the less likely the service will be good. They have options and are in demand.

You choose the girl, but she chooses what session she will give you. If you are rude, a cheap charlie, or not attractive, your session will go down.

[Member #4581]

I will add something to what UH already said so well. Say, you accept that other guy's argument (A) even in the so called bad session, you still get some sort of blow job and fuck a hot girl in one or multiple positions for nearly 30 min, even assuming there is some cheating on time (b) say, half of your sessions are these so called bad sessions. Then effectively, you paid one hundred per half hour or two hundred per hour for a good session, assuming the bad session is worth zero euro.

OK first of all, 50% is a very high percent for being bad sessions, one has to be terrible girl picker to have such bad luck. But even if that was the case, on an effective basis, two hundred per hour for good sessions is a pretty reasonable price in my view, when you consider equivalent prices for similar looking girls is much higher, in my view. If you could find and fuck such hot girls in the US for two hundred an hour, I invite you to tell us where.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I also live in the States. I love FKKs. They work quite well for me. I usually receive outstanding service (but I am a frequent tourist visitor, so that improves the service I receive). If you look at just new girls I go with, I would say that around 33% of them are just ok and 66% of my sessions are pretty good. Since I repeat the ones I really like over and over again, my percentage of sessions with outstanding performance is quite high (maybe 90%) -- but I will make lots of sessions every day usually.

In the States, it's illegal, therefore big legal risks. I don't know of any "clubs" in the US other than strip clubs (not counting Nevada, which isn't worth mentioning) . Strip clubs are a joke, especially in the big city where I live.

I find the quality of working women in the States to be sub-par what I find in the States. Researching and finding talent in the States is a a lot of work and takes a bunch of time. In FKK, I can inspect the goods real time and WYSIWYG and make an instant decision right then and there.

In the States, for me personally, I've found American girls to have terrible attitudes. You've spent all this time to find them, make an appointment, and book them, so the girl knows that she's got you by the balls so-to-speak. You can't go to reception to complain if the girl is causing you egregious problems or whatever (not to mention much higher likelihood of girl safety issues from hooker's boyfriend or whatever if you're doing outcall). In an FKK, every single girl knows that they've got to perform to a high standard, because there are 50 other girls just outside that room who are waiting to take their place, whereas the American girl doesn't have this same kind of competitive pressure to perform. Almost all of my experiences with American working girls have been terrible. So, maybe I just don't know what I'm doing in the States and need a jedi master like yourself to show me the ropes of how it's done in the States?

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not at all arguing with your personal experiences. I am simply sharing my own personal experiences and perceptions with you as you questioned the motivations of those of us who love the FKK scene. So, I am merely sharing my personal perceptions with you so that you might understand where "we" are coming from. Just because you and I have different perceptions of both scenes does not necessarily make one of wrong or the other right. We can both validly take away different experiences for many reasons..

Lazy hahaaa.

Flying to Germany requires some effort!

I can appreciate most of what you wrote, with a large exception with this point.

"In an FKK, every single girl knows that they've got to perform to a high standard".

Also I think the thing I like the most about the FKK is the base rate, take that away.

And I can't see why anyone would ever bother?

Once you cross above that.

And add in all the other expenses (if flying from USA), you're better off getting an expensive escort, of supermodel quality.

I must ask what major city are you near?

Some cities are very very good some are very very bad.

Incidentally,

My fav thing about FKK is the base rate.

My biggest dislike is the weltanschauung / zeitgeist in regards to condom usage.

The man doesn't seem to get any input, it feels like I'm in some feminist dystopian nightmare.

But in the us clubs, condoms are very very rare.

No disrespect, I've been mongering for many years and I have trouble taking your comment about liking oase the most, seriously?

Are you just being sardonic?

[UltraHappy]

I just spent 6 weeks (June / July), 1-2 sessions everyday, and my error rate (bad sessions) was quite high, whether a complete mistake or simply just buyer's remorse, somewhere between 25-50%.

In the retail industry in America they have a term for this hahaha it's called "shrinkage".

In American clubs I think I am easily able to keep that number down to 1-3%, but it is different here, I can walk out at any point and not have to pay the min 50 e like you do in FKK, that is leverage that favors the man, this leverage keeps the wg in line, when she knows you can walk out, I sometimes have to say I'm leaving, and things fall back into line quickly!

A wg in FKK can turn into a ***** in 30 seconds like ada did with me at sharks and still get 50 e because the session had already started.

If you add all the costs I mention and now this also, the cost per pop goes really high! For me at least.

But I am completely nonplussed by mongers that rave about FKK from different parts of the Globe!

The us has about 10 million hookers (not to even mention the millions of barbie dolls in Canada), of varying degrees of beauty service and price.

Guys that fly from America to monger in FKK regularly, must not know where to find the millions of hookers in every city / state.

It is mostly illegal in the us, so it's not the same as FKK and I get that it is not the best for tourists, but if you live here and are over the age of 15 you should know better!

I also live in the States. I love FKKs. They work quite well for me. I usually receive outstanding service (but I am a frequent tourist visitor, so that improves the service I receive). If you look at just new girls I go with, I would say that around 33% of them are just ok and 66% of my sessions are pretty good. Since I repeat the ones I really like over and over again, my percentage of sessions with outstanding performance is quite high (maybe 90%) -- but I will make lots of sessions every day usually.

In the States, it's illegal, therefore big legal risks. I don't know of any "clubs" in the US other than strip clubs (not counting Nevada, which isn't worth mentioning) . Strip clubs are a joke, especially in the big city where I live.

I find the quality of working women in the States to be sub-par what I find in the States. Researching and finding talent in the States is a a lot of work and takes a bunch of time. In FKK, I can inspect the goods real time and WYSIWYG and make an instant decision right then and there.

In the States, for me personally, I've found American girls to have terrible attitudes. You've spent all this time to find them, make an appointment, and book them, so the girl knows that she's got you by the balls so-to-speak. You can't go to reception to complain if the girl is causing you egregious problems or whatever (not to mention much higher likelihood of girl safety issues from hooker's boyfriend or whatever if you're doing outcall). In an FKK, every single girl knows that they've got to perform to a high standard, because there are 50 other girls just outside that room who are waiting to take their place, whereas the American girl doesn't have this same kind of competitive pressure to perform. Almost all of my experiences with American working girls have been terrible. So, maybe I just don't know what I'm doing in the States and need a jedi master like yourself to show me the ropes of how it's done in the States?

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not at all arguing with your personal experiences. I am simply sharing my own personal experiences and perceptions with you as you questioned the motivations of those of us who love the FKK scene. So, I am merely sharing my personal perceptions with you so that you might understand where "we" are coming from. Just because you and I have different perceptions of both scenes does not necessarily make one of wrong or the other right. We can both validly take away different experiences for many reasons.

I will take a stab at some of the reasons we may take away different perceptions. I am sure there are other reasons as well. On the USA front, I am lazy when it comes to searching out illegal providers. That would just take too much time and effort on my part. I have given up on this in the States. Perhaps you are not so lazy as me.

On the FKK front, I don't usually limit myself to 50 E sessions. So, the girls know that they stand to benefit, sometimes greatly, by rendering good service. In other words, they are incentivized to keep me happy in the room. This reduces my "shrinkage" as you called it.

Also you mentioned that most of your sessions were at GT. This is not my favorite club, although I've had some good sessions there in the past. Oase is by far my favorite. Sharks is my second favorite.

[AznHotBoy]

The us has about 10 million hookers (not to even mention the millions of barbie dolls in Canada), of varying degrees of beauty service and price.

Guys that fly from America to monger in FKK regularly, must not know where to find the millions of hookers in every city / state.

It is mostly illegal in the us, so it's not the same as FKK and I get that it is not the best for tourists, but if you live here and are over the age of 15 you should know better!

Yea there is a lot of hookers in the US. I live in NYC, easiest place to get a hooker. But it's not very secure. I'm not talking about personal safety, I'm talking about financial and reputation safety. I've known guys that's been blackmailed by their escorts to pay 10's to 100's of thousands just to keep them quiet. These hookers here are smart, they'll try to find out your background and where you work just to get some dirt on you. They know how the law works and how reputations are valued in the states. New York city might be the biggest city in the world, but sometimes it feels tiny, there is always someone watching your moves here.

Some of us don't care about paying some extra just to get a peace of mind. Even the worst WG in Europe will do no damage to us. So what if she walks away with 50 E after a bad session, I would pay that all day instead of catching a case then paying a quarter in legal fees. Kobe fucked a hooker and it almost costed him everything. It just ain't worth the risk. A trip to EU is just a couple GS at most, and I go to sleep without any worries at night.

If you're broke as fuck, got nothing to lose, and you live in the US then fuck who ever you want.

[BigBuddy69]

For the car rental: expedia. FR (autoeurope and autoescape are fine too).

For the hotel: hotels.com, or booking.com.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Add wasted money and orgasm for bad sessions. LOL (Remember international mongers have the limited times of orgasm during the limited days). You have got a point there. That is why club selection is important in order to limit the damage caused by bad sessions. Many mongers only look at the number of girls in the club when they select clubs to go and ignore the smaller clubs with less number of girls. I think if a monger cares about girl's service, he should consider those smaller clubs because (I would call it) "the effective number of girls" in the smaller clubs may not be less than the effective number of girls in bigger clubs.

The effective number of girls in a club for a monger means, if he hypothetically did every girl in a club, the number of girls whom the monger would retrospectively do for the first time (since he hypothetically knew the result of the session with each girl in that club). So, for example, if a smaller club has 20 girls and a monger would do 90% of them if he knew the result of session with each girl hypothetically, the effective number of girls in this smaller club is 18 (20 girls times 90%), if a bigger club has 60 girls and a monger would do only 30% of them if he knew the result of session with each girl hypothetically, the effective number of girls in this bigger club is also 18 (60 girls times 30%). As you can see from the example, even the bigger club has much more girls, for this monger the number of girls in this bigger club who give him satisfactory result of session is the same as the number of girls who give him satisfactory result of session in that smaller club (both are 18)..

I just spent 6 weeks (June / July), 1-2 sessions everyday, and my error rate (bad sessions) was quite high, whether a complete mistake or simply just buyer's remorse, somewhere between 25-50%.

In the retail industry in America they have a term for this hahaha it's called "shrinkage".

In American clubs I think I am easily able to keep that number down to 1-3%, but it is different here, I can walk out at any point and not have to pay the min 50 e like you do in FKK, that is leverage that favors the man, this leverage keeps the wg in line, when she knows you can walk out, I sometimes have to say I'm leaving, and things fall back into line quickly!

A wg in FKK can turn into a ***** in 30 seconds like ada did with me at sharks and still get 50 e because the session had already started.

I was stupid and aborted a mission with Paloma at Sharks, and she laughed and said OK, I still paid her 50 e, sara at sharks was worthy of a pistol whipping and yet I still was required to pay her.

I did many sessions most at GT then Sharks, and some at Oase, all of my wasted euros were stolen in Sharks!

If you add all the costs I mention and now this also, the cost per pop goes really high! For me at least.

I fully understand why a local would appreciate FKKs.

The cost is so much lower for them. If they don't see anything they like they eat and swim and use sauna.

Like I see so many doing!

But I am completely nonplussed by mongers that rave about FKK from different parts of the Globe!

Asia has Thailand and Pi.

Suda / central America has Mexico and Colombia.

The us has about 10 million hookers (not to even mention the millions of barbie dolls in Canada), of varying degrees of beauty service and price.

Guys that fly from America to monger in FKK regularly, must not know where to find the millions of hookers in every city / state.

It is mostly illegal in the us, so it's not the same as FKK and I get that it is not the best for tourists, but if you live here and are over the age of 15 you should know better!

[Bfsie]

you can easily rent a car in Germany for 15-20 a day if you book it in advance. Same thing for the hotels, you can find something comfortable for 30 per night.

I didn't know that and these are good deals and much better than I thought.