Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[Member #4581]

BBBJ = murder?!

Seriously. Do you want to go there? Even if you backpedal a little bit?

Btw, moderator has made it pretty clear that discouraging other members from talking about bbbj or other se activities is against forum rules and such comments will be moderated out.

[Ctytek]

On the forum level, you don't want unrestrictedly to post a lot of illegal behaviors like BBBJ on the forum so that it doesn't become politically unsustainable. If there are too many illegal stuff like BBBJ reported on the forum (and too many BBBJs in public areas of FKK clubs for this matter), it will become politically unsustainable and consequently German government will take action on that. So the FKK punters will have much more difficulty to get BBBJ after German authority put much more pressure on clubs or raid the clubs or do some other things to try to eliminate illegal behaviors in clubs.

Seriously, can we stop with this already. The endless pontification about "legality of BBBJ" and posting or not posting about them on this forum is a waste of time. I am fairly certain that enforcement of this so-called law is very low on the priority list of German authorities. There are many unenforceable laws that get passed by politicians for purely political reasons. This is one of them. It does not mean that all of a sudden German law enforcement is going to spend their time scouring American punter forums for insider info on which girls decide to put uncovered dick in their mouth. It's just silly.

Just go live your life and stop worrying about things that aren't worth worrying about. And if people want to share their experience of BBBJ in German FKK. No one cares.

[ExpatLover]

I am glad that you didn't mention the girl's names, but mentioning your BBBJ experience on this forum is not risk-free and it just hasn't reached current severity level over which German authority will take action. What I mean the severity level is that, for a hypothetical example, let's say a punter murdered a WG in a room of a FKK club and admitted on this forum that he did it and from his home (where most posters here write about their BBBJ experiences) wrote the detail info about murder scene to prove he did it on this forum. You will see that German authority will get him with help of other countries' authorities. I agree that BBBJ may not reach current severity level, but we never know.

Here's the thing:

On the individual level, risk of reporting BBBJ experience is small, but reward is also very small, so risk to reward ratio is still quite high. I think that the posters can simply use vague term or words (instead of using the word BBBJ directly) to indicate BBBJ experiences. If the readers wanted to know them for sure, they can PM the posters..

Yes never put the name of the girl is the best solution, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the implementation of the new law just because the owners of the clubs are very happy if the girls do it so they will keep or attract new customers, what happen in the room is between the girl and the monger and very difficult to control by any means, for example in World the door are locked from inside.

[Bfsie]

Over two visits basically I did three girls at GT and the CBJ to BBJ ratio was 100% BBBJ without having to ask. ... Over the last three visit that is 4 girls and 100% uncovered hit rate.

I am glad that you didn't mention the girl's names, but mentioning your BBBJ experience on this forum is not risk-free and it just hasn't reached current severity level over which German authority will take action. What I mean the severity level is that, for a hypothetical example, let's say a punter murdered a WG in a room of a FKK club and admitted on this forum that he did it and from his home (where most posters here write about their BBBJ experiences) wrote the detail info about murder scene to prove he did it on this forum. You will see that German authority will get him with help of other countries' authorities. I agree that BBBJ may not reach current severity level, but we never know.

Here's the thing:

On the individual level, risk of reporting BBBJ experience is small, but reward is also very small, so risk to reward ratio is still quite high. I think that the posters can simply use vague term or words (instead of using the word BBBJ directly) to indicate BBBJ experiences. If the readers wanted to know them for sure, they can PM the posters.

On the forum level, you don't want unrestrictedly to post a lot of illegal behaviors like BBBJ on the forum so that it doesn't become politically unsustainable. If there are too many illegal stuff like BBBJ reported on the forum (and too many BBBJs in public areas of FKK clubs for this matter), it will become politically unsustainable and consequently German government will take action on that. So the FKK punters will have much more difficulty to get BBBJ after German authority put much more pressure on clubs or raid the clubs or do some other things to try to eliminate illegal behaviors in clubs. Some ISG members from the US might know that although there are some illegal brothels' advertisements on legal and public media in the US from time to time, most of those brothels are short-lived because their publications on legal and public media are not politically sustainable. The US local authorities will close them down quickly because the governments don't want the public to see their inability to combat crimes and maintain public order.

[PussyLiccker]

If she is very tall then I would have noticed her during my past visits. I doubt she was in the club when I visited.

Don't all girls have model walk with 15-20 cm heels?

Surprised you have not noticed her, she is quite tall. She was around on every day I've visited, so doesn't seem to limit her visits. I've seen her sit on the Ro side of the stools. Gloria, Ro is also tall, and also Xenia (Emily), De as well.

[Vito Corleone]

If she is very tall then I would have noticed her during my past visits. I doubt she was in the club when I visited.

Don't all girls have model walk with 15-20 cm heels?

Rose is about 6'4 with her heels on.

[Vito Corleone]

Apparently Trinity has left GT and is relocating her services to Switzerland.

Perhaps Trinity is a smart girl who doesn't want to get fucked over by the German tax office and is making a preemptive move?

Keep on shooting the messenger, keep on complaining to moderators about my posts, nothing to be seen here.

She made a pit stop at YY.

[Mr Ho]

Apparently Trinity has left GT and is relocating her services to Switzerland.

Perhaps Trinity is a smart girl who doesn't want to get fucked over by the German tax office and is making a preemptive move?

Keep on shooting the messenger, keep on complaining to moderators about my posts, nothing to be seen here.

It was surprise for me to meet Estonian girl in German FKK and trinity was good provider and nice girl, I wish her best of success for her remaining FKK career.

[Horny Harry]

Apparently Trinity has left GT and is relocating her services to Switzerland.

Perhaps Trinity is a smart girl who doesn't want to get fucked over by the German tax office and is making a preemptive move?

Keep on shooting the messenger, keep on complaining to moderators about my posts, nothing to be seen here.

[Mr Ho]

So what do you mean you don't as for the BBBJ? I thought the consensus here was to ask prior to make sure the service level required is offered?

Well I usually decide take a girl or not based on look only and see what she offers, if it too messed up deal, I go for 30 min 50 euro bang and I am out of the room.

Cut and dry that is it. I do not mind mild negotiation but I hate hard upsell and negotiations that are rare in GT Bruggen, but common in Palace Frankfurt.

[Pistons]

Well I am on...

Probably the girls and clubs are not that bored or boring. But we all tend to get bored of seeing the same environment day after day. As in every job. And I think you hit the mark further down more indirectly, but since you now seem to spend less time in room doing 30 min instead of 1 HR rooms, you will get less time to get to know the girls while in private. And in some clubs the girls are not very open while in the lounge and not in the room, so you need to get them in the room before they can take their masks of. And with many girls you need to do some repeats before you really get to know them (well duh).

[Lalabo]

Lalabo, if you like tall girls, surprised you haven't been with Rose, De. She's quite tall and looks good. Has a model walk. LOL.

If she is very tall then I would have noticed her during my past visits. I doubt she was in the club when I visited.

Don't all girls have model walk with 15-20 cm heels?

[DrPoon]

Encouraging report few weeks before I am heading there. I hope LU will be good filled with few German girls.

So what do you mean you don't as for the BBBJ? I thought the consensus here was to ask prior to make sure the service level required is offered?

[Horny Harry]

Warning for those of you that hate long waiting times for room keys, hate getting clothing bags, hate a mediocre line-up, and for people who don't get horny from watching other men in white bathrobes: tomorrow is Halloween Party at GT.

AVOID unless you're a Dutch or Belgian tourist and like to pay E60 for a gay 'all you can eat and drink' event.

[Mr Ho]

Well I am on of a bit of a tour, Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. Last time I went Mongering was July, the day after the "new Law" ruined everything. Went to Dolce Vita twice, Mainhatten once, World Once, Living Room once and Goldentime Twice. There were some very mixed experiences and I am starting to learn more about myself. I am twelve years into FKK visiting now and I am still getting insights, including the fact that I have to face up to getting older and Prostitutes are boring. Or are they? Clubs are. Or are they?

So, I am unsure about talking names here because I do want to give useful info on the BBJ / BBBJ ratio and my thughts on the whole thing, its effect as far as I can see on the industry, based on a perspective that goes back to the times when beautiful Russian girls would dominate these places and you got beauty AND service and always BBBJ. To 2008 when girls were doing AO without even you having to ask, because they were so desperate, to modern times when I think the industry is going through change and girls are trying to re-adjust to a changing world, as are the clubs themselves. The influx of unfussy chinese customers, the loss of control ovr girls and the tightening economy are all pushing things in differing or warring directions. Quality is where you can find it, not where it used to be.

Over two visits basically I did three girls at GT and the CBJ to BBJ ratio was 100% BBBJ without having to ask. The reason is, 1) you don't ask. And 2) chose girls that want to earn extra with the come in mouth option. One could have a covered BJ then shoot for the mouth with some accuracy, but such scenarios are silly at best. These girls are practical. Over the last three visit that is 4 girls and 100% uncovered hit rate. That is NOT the case at other clubs..

Encouraging report few weeks before I am heading there. I hope LU will be good filled with few German girls.