Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[Maxime]

Nope. As I said: Prostitutes will NOT get fined for doing BBFS or BBBJ. That's what the passage "Verstoesse gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fuer Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fuer Kunden " says.

HB.

HB seems to be correct on this matter.

That makes things even worse, as only clients (male or female) but not the working girls are potentially exposed to fines when doing BBBJ, etc. It makes the blackmail position of the client even worse (and better for the WG). Let's see how long it lasts when the first girl will try to give BBBJ and then wil pretend you forced her to do this, and she will threat you, but is willing to let it go for a few hundred / thousands Euro (much less than the max fine for the client in this case). Of course this will not happen with most of the girls, especially not with the one you know, but enough golddiggers around who will give it a try. So small chance, but big impact if so.

[UltraHappy]

I didn't apologize to you.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

If you read the "Explanation" under Section 32 on the very web site that you linked to, the explanation is quite clear (not to mention the extensive news coverage thereof).

I'm surprised that you don't know about this as this has been the most hotly talked about topic here for the past 6 months.

In any case, it is important not to spread misinformation about this aspect of the law as to do otherwise undermines our interests.

But, in any case, Bravo to you sir for sticking to your guns even in the face of all of this evidence to the contrary. Impressive. Impressive indeed.

[Bfsie]

Nope. As I said: Prostitutes will NOT get fined for doing BBFS or BBBJ. That's what the passage "Verstoesse gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fuer Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fuer Kunden " says.

I accept your apology.

I didn't and don't apologize to you. As I said:

I hope you are correct. But I still believe Q&A on this website because this site is very reputable site and has been around for a long time. Every german punter knows this site as a reliable source of information.

It is getting boring about this subject. I don't want to talk about this subject anymore. Let's move on for now.

[UltraHappy]

Dear Bfsie,

I accept your apology.

Sincerely,

Ultrahappy.

[Member #4581]

Really? What if the guy falls asleep, the girl wraps her mouth around his dick, then she takes a photo? Can she have the guy sent to jail?

Off the top of my head I can think of six girls who would suck my dick for free if this true.

You know six girls who would suck dick for free, just so that they can send you to jail?

Wow, you know some really nice girls, LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

Thanks for the translation.

From what I understand from your text, the prostitutes still violate the law while clients are responsible for not wearing the comdom, so the prostitutes are still punishable for 1000 euro for BBBJ.

Nope. As I said: Prostitutes will NOT get fined for doing BBFS or BBBJ. That's what the passage "Verstoesse gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fuer Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fuer Kunden " says.

HB.

[Bfsie]

The 2nd part specifies "no fine for the prostitute if she breaks the condom rule" but the 1st par indeed leaves the door open for other penalties apart from fines. Jail is definitely out of the question, otherwise it would be mentioned. The penalties must be something "less than a fine".

LOL. I hope you are correct. But I still believe Q&A on this website because this site is very reputable site and has been around for a long time. Every German punter knows this site as a reliable source of information.

[XXL]

With all due respect, I think that the first part should overrule the last part because the first part is the prostitute's main duties and legal responsibility.

The 2nd part specifies "no fine for the prostitute if she breaks the condom rule" but the 1st par indeed leaves the door open for other penalties apart from fines. Jail is definitely out of the question, otherwise it would be mentioned. The penalties must be something "less than a fine".

Given the "Scandinavian" nature of this law, I surmise the only reason they have any penalties at all for prostitutes is to be able to put them under some pressure to incriminate clients/so-called pimps/business owners etc.

[Bfsie]

The last part sort of contradicts (overrules) the first part.

With all due respect, I think that the first part should overrule the last part because the first part is the prostitute's main duties and legal responsibility.

[XXL]

But what are the legal provisions of the prostitutes though? Can you post the entire text here?

It's too big. Interestingly, the website has a button for johns, a button for brothel owners, and a button for prostitutes. Each FAQ is several pages long.

[Bfsie]

Note really, see my final version below, especially the last part. The last part sort of contradicts (overrules) the first part.

But what are the legal provisions of the prostitutes though? Can you post the entire text here? or Can you give me the sections so I can read them?

[XXL]

Thanks for the translation.

From what I understand from your text, the prostitutes still violate the law while clients are responsible for not wearing the comdom, so the prostitutes are still punishable for 1000 euro for BBBJ.

Not exactly, see my final version below, especially the last part. The last part sort of contradicts (overrules) the first part.

[Bfsie]

"Welche Strafen drohen fare Prostituierte bei Versto gegen das ProstSchG?

Verstoesse gegen die gesetzlichen Regelungen koennen fuer Prostituierte unter anderem mit einem

Bussgeld jeweils bis 1. 000. - .

Geahndet werden. ".

Translation (mine, not the machine translation of the website):

"What penalties can prostitutes expect if they violate the PrstSchG?

If they violate the legal provisions, prostitutes can expect among other things:

a fine up to 1000 ".

Regarding whether this applies to condoms, the following is interesting:

"Verstoesse gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fuer Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fuer Kunden und Kundinnen. ".

Translation:

"Male and female clients, not prostitutes, are punishable if they violate the condom rule".

Thanks for the translation.

From what I understand from your text, the prostitutes still violate the law while clients are responsible for not wearing the condom, so the prostitutes are still punishable for 1000 euro for BBBJ.

[XXL]

That clearly is a false information. The law itself says there are no violations for the prostitutes re BB practices.

HB.

"Welche Strafen drohen fuer Prostituierte bei Verstoessen gegen das ProstSchG?
Verstoesse gegen die gesetzlichen Regelungen koennen fuer Prostituierte unter anderem mit einem Bussgeld jeweils bis 1. 000 Euros Geahndet werden.".

Translation (mine, not the goofy machine translation of the website):

"What penalties can prostitutes expect if they violate the PrstSchG?
If they violate the legal provisions, prostitutes can expect among other things: a fine up to 1000 Euro ".

Note the "among other things" ("unter anderem"). They could still get a slap on the wrist.

Regarding whether this applies to condoms, the following is interesting (my emphasis):

"Verstoesse gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fuer Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bussgeldbewehrt, jedoch fuer Kunden und Kundinnen".

Translation:

"Male and female clients, not prostitutes, can incur a fine if they violate the condom rule".

It seems they went to some length to uphold the pretence that this is not a gender-biased law.

[Bfsie]

That clearly is a false information. The law itself says there are no violations for the prostitutes re BB practices.

HB.

Can you include the text (in which section) of the law with regards to no violation for the prostitutes re BB practices? Because I myself want to know it.