Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[HammerTime96]

Yeah, the entrance fee is cash business, rarely with credit card and it is not even register with cash register!

I find it odd as at the entrance of ocean, they got the sign of hells angels saying they are not allowed LOL! All FKK is dodgy in one way or another, but they busted artemis, but they found nothing on them after months of investigation for tax fraud, human traficking etc.

Well, look at how YingYang, LR and GT have more or less been driven out of business due to continuous police raids. YY was closed because they found a small amount of drugs, yet in Holland you can buy all kinds of drugs at almost every street corner without any problem.

It's crystal clear that the authorities are targeting the P6 business and using all sorts of excuses (like a small amount of drugs in one of the biggest drug dealing country in the world, small building code violations in LR and GT, and since March 2020 the "Covid1984" scandemic) to shut them down or make their lives as difficult as possible.

Let's see how many police raids will take place over the summer, so check 'compliance with Covid19 procedures.'

As I wrote already, when the police raided GT a few years ago when I was in a room with a girl, they entered without knocking. Under today's scenario, it would have been impossible hide from the police and to quickly put on a mask or change position from missionary to doggy.

When they catch you now in 2021 without a mask, and-or flaunting "social distancing rules" (laying on top of a WG) you're in big trouble as in Germany they have stiff fines and-or even possible jail time.

[ExpatLover]

Yeah, the entrance fee is cash business, rarely with credit card and it is not even register with cash register!

I find it odd as at the entrance of ocean, they got the sign of hells angels saying they are not allowed LOL! All FKK is dodgy in one way or another, but they busted artemis, but they found nothing on them after months of investigation for tax fraud, human traficking etc.

The boss of Paradise was several times interviewed by the TV, explaining the clean business of his clubs, at the end finished in jail for prostitution, of course they refused HA because there is a motorcycle gangs war in Germany, the German police and justice is not here to tell the truth but the right.

[McAdonis]

While I like clubs like Samya, there is a clear difference in culture and service levels compared to places like GT and Babylon. I mentioned elsewhere that if GT / LR stays close, there could be a benefit of the girls concentrating in fewer clubs, making the line ups better. But if Turkish owners take over, creating more of the same style clubs, it would only keep the line ups diluted while offering more of the same type of environment without the guaranteed decent service that GT and LR offered.

If GT will indeed be under new ownership, then the hope is that GT can retain the old management and receptionists. GT was able to quality control and screen the WGs, because there were so many WGs who were on the waiting list for a coveted spot. Part of that reason is that the WGs wanted access to GT's "desirable" customer base. If that desirable customer base scatters to 6's, Babylon, H7, then GT management loses considerable leverage.

I can see it as an opportunity for the NRW clubs to improve their line ups. There were so many clubs with one or two top tier girls. To get a full day, you would have to go to multiple clubs a day. If the talent is concentrated in fewer clubs, it can make for easier logistics.

The concentration would be temporary, wouldn't it? The other clubs would absorb refugee WGs from GT and LR. And then when GT and LR re-open under new ownership, a portion would migrate back to their home club.

Less competition has increased prices. I do not believe 6's currently offers happy hour. Babylon supposedly raised the entry ticket by 10 EUR and increased the 30 minute session to 60 EUR. H7 has many ex-LR WGs, but despite that, there are reports from the Dutch boards, that some WGs are charging 30 EUR for some "extras" that were once included in the 50 EUR session. The hope is customers vote with their feet and these price increases do not become permanent.

[Mr Ho]

It is all gossip here. And semi-trustworthy sources. The oceans investors sure can find additional money and run two clubs.

Alternatively: the premise of Oceans in the midst of Duesseldorf is likely 3-4 x more worth than GT in nowhere NL-border land.

Location wise yeah, but in reality ocean has much less clients than gt or even lr maybe. Ocean could have had better management!

[Mr Ho]

Hint: money laundering.

I know many naive souls here believe that the P4 Sex business in Germany is owned by legitimate business people because prostitution is legal in Germany, just the way most of these same naive souls believe that "vaccinating makes free" and that you can die any moment of SAR-CoV-2.

Those upselling WGs (+ Corona pumping politicians & media, and club-owning Hells Angels) are having a field day with you suckers! LOL!

Yeah, the entrance fee is cash business, rarely with credit card and it is not even register with cash register!

I find it odd as at the entrance of ocean, they got the sign of hells angels saying they are not allowed LOL! All FKK is dodgy in one way or another, but they busted artemis, but they found nothing on them after months of investigation for tax fraud, human traficking etc.

[Sirioja]

Just heard in another forum a rumour that says that Ocean-Owners might have invested. Let's hope they don't establish Oceans-level service. The kind of rip-off and shisha-smoke never is my thing.

When Elton John on stage twin wanted to make Oceans number 1 in Germany, didn't he understand failure?

[Carpaccio18]

Just heard in another forum a rumour that says that Ocean-Owners might have invested. Let's hope they don't establish Oceans-level service. The kind of rip-off and shisha-smoke never is my thing.

Too right. I've been there once to sample, never going back.

I didn't like anything about that place, the layout, the attitude, the sharking, the upsell. Gilrs werent event naked and the whole thing just had a cold atmosphere too it.

[Carpaccio18]

Go spend time with your wife and let the rest of us enjoy this hobby.

Ditto. What he said.

[Kuni042]

It is all gossip here. And semi-trustworthy sources. The oceans investors sure can find additional money and run two clubs.

Alternatively: the premise of Oceans in the midst of Duesseldorf is likely 3-4 x more worth than GT in nowhere NL-border land.

OK, but ocean owner invested? I thought Ocean is not doing good. I always do three clubs sometimes in one day like GT to begin with, get bargain ticket to LR, go to LR, then end up in ocean at around 8 pm to catch night shift at ocean.

Ocean is quite empty club comparison to GT, so I wonder how Ocean owner has enough money to tip into buy GT. I love the design of ocean, but the club has so many broken things that has not been fixed forever like their cash safe box, their locker and so on!

GT changing owner thing is widely spread, but I wonder where the rumor began? Reliable source or just a gossip is I wonder.

[HammerTime96]

Ocean is quite empty club comparison to GT, so I wonder how Ocean owner has enough money to tip into buy GT. I love the design of ocean, but the club has so many broken things that has not been fixed forever like their cash safe box, their locker and so on!

Hint: money laundering.

I know many naive souls here believe that the P4 Sex business in Germany is owned by legitimate business people because prostitution is legal in Germany, just the way most of these same naive souls believe that "vaccinating makes free" and that you can die any moment of SAR-CoV-2.

Those upselling WGs (+ Corona pumping politicians & media, and club-owning Hells Angels) are having a field day with you suckers! LOL!

[ExpatLover]

OK, but ocean owner invested? I thought Ocean is not doing good. I always do three clubs sometimes in one day like GT to begin with, get bargain ticket to LR, go to LR, then end up in ocean at around 8 pm to catch night shift at ocean.

Ocean is quite empty club comparison to GT, so I wonder how Ocean owner has enough money to tip into buy GT. I love the design of ocean, but the club has so many broken things that has not been fixed forever like their cash safe box, their locker and so on!

GT changing owner thing is widely spread, but I wonder where the rumor began? Reliable source or just a gossip is I wonder.

For sure the money is not coming from normal business and they need to have some legal activities even they are losing money.

[Mr Ho]

It is EU-internal. It should be no problem. They could easily set up a GmBH in Germany too. Inject the capital and run it as a german operation.

OK, but ocean owner invested? I thought Ocean is not doing good. I always do three clubs sometimes in one day like GT to begin with, get bargain ticket to LR, go to LR, then end up in ocean at around 8 pm to catch night shift at ocean.

Ocean is quite empty club comparison to GT, so I wonder how Ocean owner has enough money to tip into buy GT. I love the design of ocean, but the club has so many broken things that has not been fixed forever like their cash safe box, their locker and so on!

GT changing owner thing is widely spread, but I wonder where the rumor began? Reliable source or just a gossip is I wonder.

[Pistons]

Just heard in another forum a rumour that says that Ocean-Owners might have invested. Let's hope they don't establish Oceans-level service. The kind of rip-off and shisha-smoke never is my thing.

Hopefully they will get hotter girls. Service wise I've had some stellar rooms at Oceans, but maybe because I look good.

[ExpatLover]

Unlike Artemis where two brother invested 5 million euro, most of other FKK like GT or LR is more cheaper initial investment venue, but I believe both of them can be sold for x million euro easily as it is lucrative business that require licenses by fed.

Now, I doubt foreigner can buy such business, so I would say YY related people may not be the buyer.

I don't agree about the valuation of those big FKK, when I look about the owners profile of most the FKK, it is really not giving me the feeling it is a normal business. Therefor the valuation must quite different than for a normal business. I still believe that most of the clubs don t need to be profitable, there are mostly used as a washing machine, also there were a lot of raids in the last years, the boss of Paradise got serious problems with the authorities. Probably in the coming years the things will get more and more difficult and never forget that Merkel will leave in September probably the successor will not have the same level of accommodation.

[Kuni042]

Just heard in another forum a rumour that says that Ocean-Owners might have invested. Let's hope they don't establish Oceans-level service. The kind of rip-off and shisha-smoke never is my thing.

It is EU-internal. It should be no problem. They could easily set up a GmBH in Germany too. Inject the capital and run it as a german operation.