Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[Capt Dan]

An African American friend of mine has been visiting GT for 4 yrs without entry problems. I have traveled with him many times & never had a problem. We generally arrive around 1pm to avoid the crowds. We also travel in groups of 3-4 so the "groups refused entry" is also a myth. When we travel with the usual 4, only 1 person has the "Aryan" look. Also, none of us look Turkish either so go figure.

Being of primarily British/Irish heritage myself, I have not personally had difficulty gaining entry to GT, nor have I witnessed anyone of non-European heritage having difficulty gaining entry. However, saying that commentary about non-European males (primarily males of African heritage) not gaining entry to GT persist in this club's thread. You do not tend to get these accusations against other clubs in NRW or Frankfurt. I also note that it is more difficult to gain entry to GT than any of the other big clubs i.e you need to ring a buzzer/locked doors etc. One does get the feeling that screening is taking place moreso than anywhere else.

[Vito Corleone]

The rumoured problem with entry to GT, seems to concentrate on males of African descent.

An African American friend of mine has been visiting GT for 4 yrs without entry problems. I have traveled with him many times & never had a problem. We generally arrive around 1pm to avoid the crowds. We also travel in groups of 3-4 so the "groups refused entry" is also a myth. When we travel with the usual 4, only 1 person has the "Aryan" look. Also, none of us look Turkish either so go figure.

[Vito Corleone]

As my trip to Gt is only a few weeks away, can anyone tell me if they have seen Nadine or Jill lately ?

I have to satisfy my blonde Milf urges

I will be in GT on May 18, and hopefully back on May 20.

Best Regards

Smuler

Smuler,

Nadine was not around on Saturday. Not sure who Jill is.

[Capt Dan]

Sorry to hear you were refused entrance. No one here condones this, but there is unhappily little that can be done. You did the right thing by following your taxi driver's initiative to go on to another club, and by calmly reporting the incident here. Thanks. Fortunately, there are many, many clubs who have a very open policy, so I hope you haven't been put off.

The best advice to anyone contemplating going to GT is - as has been aired on several occasions - to have a plan B, i.e. have a note of the addresses of nearby clubs such as Planet Happy Garden or the one you visited, Villa Vertigo. Fortunately there are other good, well established clubs not far away at all.

Yes indeed, very well said and very sound advice. It does seem that GT appear to be operating a selective entrance policy and best to have a back-up plan in place in case you are refused admission.

[Excess]

at GT certainly would have demanded that anyone called Brat Wurst be allowed in, Brother Ortos.

--If only the poor fellow, who had travelled 4-fucking-hours to try to get into GT, had said "My name is Brat Wurst" (not Brat KNOT): Then maybe they would have let him in after all!
O

[Ortos]

The best advice to anyone contemplating going to GT is - as has been aired on several occasions - to have a plan B, i.e. have a note of the addresses of nearby clubs such as Planet Happy Garden or the one you visited, Villa Vertigo. Fortunately there are other good, well established clubs not far away at all.

Incidentally, I've been going to clubs for years, but I always have backups for every club stored in my navigator, just in case.

This is the kind of constructive response that is kind and empathetic to new forum members who experience these type of unfortunate situations. So thanks to Toscana for spelling it all out. I would only add two points to Tosc's very good advice:

--Living Room is yet another club in the general area that is very good and easy to reach, as it is just outside central Duesseldorf. (Funny that it shares the same ownership as GT; go figure.)

--If only the poor fellow, who had travelled 4-fucking-hours to try to get into GT, had said "My name is Brat Wurst" (not Brat KNOT): Then maybe they would have let him in after all!

O

[Toscana]

Travelled for 4 hours to get to Goldentime. A hard looking skinny woman opened the door said 'full'. I tried to ask her if I should try another time but she just said 'full' and shut the door. As I was waiting for the taxi to return they let in other people.

The only thing that rescued my mood was that the taxi driver recommended Villa Vertigo. It was excellent. Not sure I'll ever try to go back to GT.

Sorry to hear you were refused entrance. No one here condones this, but there is unhappily little that can be done. You did the right thing by following your taxi driver's initiative to go on to another club, and by calmly reporting the incident here. Thanks. Fortunately, there are many, many clubs who have a very open policy, so I hope you haven't been put off.

The best advice to anyone contemplating going to GT is - as has been aired on several occasions - to have a plan B, i.e. have a note of the addresses of nearby clubs such as Planet Happy Garden or the one you visited, Villa Vertigo. Fortunately there are other good, well established clubs not far away at all.

Incidentally, I've been going to clubs for years, but I always have backups for every club stored in my navigator, just in case.

[Capt Dan]

What exactly does "German/Dutch" racial profile mean? Is it a euphemism for white/Caucasian? Or is it a reference to a certain Aryan look (blond hair, blue eyes) that Uncle Adolf was fond of?

The answer to you question is probably “yes” to both racial stereotypes i.e. German/Dutch racial profiles means either White/Caucasian or (more controversially ) Aryan.
Saying that, from my experience German and Dutch people (particularly Dutch) do not always conform to this stereotype.

I'm just asking as a white (but maybe Italian-looking: brown hair, brown eyes, etc.) American if i need to worry with a trip coming up.

The rumoured problem with entry to GT, seems to concentrate on males of African descent.
I am pretty sure that African females would not have any difficulty gaining entry to the club provided they meet the criteria applied to all women of all ethnicities.

Males of Southern European or Asian ethnicity do not appear to suffer the same difficulties as do males with genetic lineage which is predominantly from the continent of Africa.
I have not heard any stories/rumours about Southern European or Asian males having difficulty gaining entry.
Saying that, I believe that Romanian/Turkish males may have had some difficulties gaining entry in the past.
This might have something to do with the fact that a number of the girls working in the club are from Romania (as are their pimps! ).

If you wish to gain entry to GT, my advice would be to arrive at the joint at a non-busy time, perhaps early afternoon.
If you have an auto, be polite to the security guy who directs you to a parking spot.
Somebody suggested earlier that tipping the guy might help, but not sure myself if this is necessary.
A big smile and a friendly “Hi there” (in your best American accent) to any/all GT staff, will do no harm.

In my opinion, all this stuff about guys gaining entry or not gaining entry to GT on racial grounds is not proven!
In no way would I condone a selective entry policy based on the color of a person's skin.
However, I would give stories of this nature more credibility, if an ISG member of some standing was denied entry.
I give people with one or two posts in this forum far less credibility, as one can not be sure if they have an agenda against the club or not.
However, allowing for the above, I am sorry to hear of Brad Knot's difficulties, but this might have been an isolated incident and not necessarily racially motivated.

I do know that if you arrive at the club dressed like a hill-billy, a chav or a brother from the hood, you will have difficulty gaining entry no matter what the color of your skin.
I am sure this was not the case with Brad Knot.
Smart casual dress (i.e. shirt/rugby shirt/jeans/clean sneakers/trainers etc.) and a polite manner definitely helps.
CD

[Smuler]

As my trip to Gt is only a few weeks away, can anyone tell me if they have seen Nadine or Jill lately ?

I have to satisfy my blonde Milf urges

I will be in GT on May 18, and hopefully back on May 20.

Best Regards

Smuler

[Big30]

What exactly does "German/Dutch" racial profile mean? Is it a euphemism for white/Caucasian? Or is it a reference to a certain Aryan look (blond hair, blue eyes) that Uncle Adolf was fond of?

I'm just asking as a white (but maybe Italian-looking: brown hair, brown eyes, etc.) American if i need to worry with a trip coming up.

The 2 man that were refused in LR were from Turkey. Note that in LR most of the times I see many man from Turkey. But these man had a lot of tattoos and gold. I can imagine very well that that was the reason for them being refused and it is less related with racial considerations but that is no more than a guess.

B30

[Eric Cartman]

when I entered LR I saw that 2 guests were refused, they did indeed not match with the mainstream German/Dutch racial profile as defined by O.
B30

What exactly does "German/Dutch" racial profile mean? Is it a euphemism for white/Caucasian? Or is it a reference to a certain Aryan look (blond hair, blue eyes) that Uncle Adolf was fond of?

I'm just asking as a white (but maybe Italian-looking: brown hair, brown eyes, etc.) American if i need to worry with a trip coming up.

[Ortos]

You are perfecfly intitled not to agree with my original post, and pass comment on it, but the above comments and your mention of 7 months ago are 100% OUT OF ORDER.
Do not reply to this asking if I was out of order 7 months ago, that has been delt with.

Please let's reserve this space for postings that deal directly with GT-related matters. If you want to have a rant or temper tantrum, fair enought, but please do it somewhere other than here. It's definitely entertaining, however.

[Vitrea]

Ooops, I suppose we should have said: "We all share your pain --except IrishPM, because he obviously feels nobody's pain but his own..." What would he do if GT were to bar entry to guys who lean towards single digit locker numbers, I wonder??

But really, folks, the above is the kind of response, devoid of any trace of empathy that we can all do without. I would have expected no less from a man who would lash out at innocent bystanders in an attempt to harm somebody else he doesn't like. Pathetic.

However, I don't think it is out of line to discuss Brat Knot's experience in some detail to better understand the situation regarding GT's apparent selective Eintritt policy. We've only been able to monitor less than a handfull of clear cases, and for each claim that they bar entry on racial grounds, there is always a report by someone saying: "Oh no, I was there yesterday and I saw black guys/arab-looking guys/etc in the club as guests..."

To my mind, enough has NOT yet been said about this...I also believe if you don't have anything positive to contribute to a discussion, maybe you just stay out...?

O

I have been to GT a quite a few times but never witnessed anyone being refused entry. Just because it did not or does not happen to me, does not mean this is a non-issue.


I agree with Ortos. If this not a good topic for discussion, I don't know what is. Driving to GT for 4 hours and not be able to get in!? Got to suck big time. I would be livid too, especially if the guys behind me get in.

I wonder if we can call them ahead of time and see how busy they are, let them know you are going to be there in a couple of hours and ask if they are "too busy" and sending any people back. It is highly unlikely that they would say on the phone, "yes we are sending some people back. Please don't come". It might help to take the name of the person who answered the phone and drop that name if they try to refuse entry at the door.


I have another suggestion (which I have suggested before): If you fit the ethnic profile, tip the guy that helps you park your car, 5 euros . Even if he does not help you find a spot, tip him to "watch" your smart car. He generally radios the "profile" if they are very busy and close to being full. Being on his good list can't hurt.

[Hessen Bub]

I have never been turned away at any club (OK, I do look German, my fault). And I have never seen anybody being denied entry at GT or LR. But at PHG (some years ago) two Dutch guys (caucasian european look) were denied entry without any reason. I was standing behind them, the woman opened the door (keeping the "cage" shut) and told them that they were not going to get in. Discussion led to nothing. They left, she opened the door and let me in.

It's the clubs right to denie anybody entrance as it is their house, same as any restaurant, disco or hotel. It just should not be done because of any racial categorisation. There's so many German, Dutch and other European idiots I would like to be denied entry.

HB

[Capt Dan]

Thanks for your response Ortos. It was a Wednesday evening at around 1750. No I'm not of German/Dutch racial profile. I'm English speaking black and around 6 feet tall. I was dressed in smart casual clothing. One thing I noticed was that most of the people coming and going were dressed in business style clothing.

Buddy, my best guess is that you could have been wearing a thousand dollar pin stripe suit, ain't no way they were gonna let you into GT.

It is strongly rumoured that this club is selective on racial grounds, particularly when the club is busy, and particularly with people who's genetic heritage is primarily from the African continent.

However this rumour is unproven, and there is no guarantee that anyone will gain entry to GT if the club is busy.

CD