Sauna Club Golden Time - Bruggen

[Jackyo]

Jackyo, you are only mentioning the negative part of the "transaction". We must take an altruistic view on this, and not cock-blocking the girl when there are other fellows wanting her company

Let's make this distinction. Like most contributors here, I like a relationship oriented girl. In your case you prefer to meet her in a relationship oriented (i.e. small) club. I don't mind meeting her in a transacion oriented club. I am simply a shallow guy the prefers to spend an hour looking at naked chicks strolling, rather than spending the hour chit-chatting. To each his own.

.. I'm generalizing and there are a lot of shades of gray: its not all black and white.

I try not to hog the women but sometimes thats just the way it works out. I look to her for signs that she thinks we are spending too much time but like I've said, sometimes I am the one who is anxious to make it to the room.

And yes, definitely to each his own. The views expressed are my own and I don't make any representations that they hold true for everyone.

What else distinguishes transactionists from relationists is her post-session behavior.

In a transaction type environment, you do your thing with her and afterwards she ignores you. You walk by her, she doesn't acknowledge you are there. You don't exist any more. She's taken what she wants from you and she's done with you.

In a relationship type environment, she knows better: she smiles, she waves, she sometimes pinches your butt when she walks by or snaps her towel at you. She comes by when she's free and she's more than willing to sit and chat. She knows you aren't ready to go jump into again right away after a session but a) she wants you to know she's there and available, b) if it isn't right now, you will come looking for her after you've recharged your juices (again, its that quiet confidence on her part), c) she has planted the seed for a future visit.

The best performers want you to want them over and over again and they know how to fuel that need. Not all women are capable of this. I think it requires a certain maturity (which is probably why I don't really click with very young women who are into the instant gratification thing).

I tend to carryover my preferences in the real world into the FKK world: I like smart, funny, articulate and communicative chicks with nice figures and a kinky side who enjoy sex. My preferences don't change because I'm at a club.

[Everhard]

In a relationship type environment, she knows better: she smiles, she waves, she sometimes pinches your butt when she walks by or snaps her towel at you. She comes by when she's free and she's more than willing to sit and chat. She knows you aren't ready to go jump into again right away after a session but a) she wants you to know she's there and available, b) if it isn't right now, you will come looking for her after you've recharged your juices (again, its that quiet confidence on her part), c) she has planted the seed for a future visit.

I love this type of behaviour too!

However, I must point out that I have experienced this in clubs like Palace and Oase, which are highly transaction oriented. These girls, as well as rip offs, can be found anywhere. Or maybe - considering my looks - I'm just irresistable lol

[Dutch44]

Hi Jackyo,

Just saw your post in this GT section...

In a relationship type environment, she knows better: she smiles, she waves, she sometimes pinches your butt when she walks by or snaps her towel at you. She comes by when she's free and she's more than willing to sit and chat. She knows you aren't ready to go jump into again right away after a session but a) she wants you to know she's there and available, b) if it isn't right now, you will come looking for her after you've recharged your juices (again, its that quiet confidence on her part), c) she has planted the seed for a future visit.

In a club like GT both types exist, like in most clubs. Of course it is hard to tell exactly, but my best guess is that in GT roughly about 1/3 of the girls are more of the relational type. (that would be 20+) I surely prefer those. Actually now that I think of it, the ones that are 'transactional' as you put it so nicely, I never visit more than once. Or in other words, the first time is the last time.

Those that come back to you later, wave and kiss when you enter or leave the club are definitely my preference. I know about 4 such ladies in GT that 'do this for me' and I therefore dig and therefore keep returning to.

I guess however that the ladies also have preferences and do not show this 'relational' behaviour with every client.

Dutch44

[Everhard]

Jackyo, you are only mentioning the negative part of the "transaction". We must take an altruistic view on this, and not cock-blocking the girl when there are other fellows wanting her company

Let's make this distinction. Like most contributors here, I like a relationship oriented girl. In your case you prefer to meet her in a relationship oriented (i.e. small) club. I don't mind meeting her in a transacion oriented club. I am simply a shallow guy the prefers to spend an hour looking at naked chicks strolling, rather than spending the hour chit-chatting. To each his own.

[Jackyo]

I agree however when I visit Germany as a tourist I prefer to stay almost a day in the club, like 8-10 hours. At smaller clubs this isn’t possible because there isn’t enough to do between sessions.

Well, I don’t know maybe I’m more of a FKK-guy (I prefer the women naked) and perhaps also looking for a bit more transaction-oriented girls as Jackyo described.

This I don't understand at all.

At the large clubs, you pace the layout, the girls pace the layout, you pick who you want to see, wait until she is free, pounce and then spend two seconds in a "Zimmer?" "Ja." conversation. This is a recipe for disaster.

This is a problem for the following reasons: a) I can't judge chemistry after two seconds, b) she has all the hallmarks of a transaction chick and not a relationship one, c) it is clear she wants to have the billing clock ticking as soon as possible, wants to waste no time extracting bills from your wallet.

As Isseu in previously noted, its her OOBA or Out of Bedroom Attitude which determines whether you have found a processor or a true GFE. There is no Out of Bedroom anything. There is no in-yer-face public sex, z. B. Nothing.

To paraphrase JFK what Iseeu is saying is: "Ask not by what your provider will do for you in the bedroom but rather ask what she does during downtime (i.e. when the meter isn't running)".

The objective of the transaction-oriented provider is to extract as much money as she can from you for that one session. She does not have an objective of you coming back to her at all (she knows you are not likely to return anyway, particularly if you don't speak German and can't convince her you live there or return to Deutschland frequently). She has no need to provide the best service possible. She just needs to maximize your bill and she does so by going into an upsell mode: "What about two girls? What about I do CIM? Etc..."

This is the very definition of a processor. Sometimes her attitude is more appropriate to a Laufhaus rather than an FKK club.

Most insidious of all is the "running up the clock" scam. It happened to me the last time I was at GT and I should have recognized it but didn't. Beware. Its out there.

At the smaller more relaxed clubs with more of a local clientele rather than a tourist clientele, the girls are easier to talk to, there is no hustle. I pick who I want to get to know, we talk, we laugh and then when its time, we do the nasty deed. Its an unwritten rule that she has to invest downtime with me before I commit.

If she is really good, I'm the one who is asking if she wants to go to the Zimmer because I'm the one anxious to consummate the transaction, not her. The best women are quietly confident they will never have to bring up the Zimmer topic. Its coming up eventually and they don't feel in a rush to introduce the topic. There is no pressure to turn as many tricks as quickly as possible.

There are no random tourists coming by either, hence the focus on creating relationships with the clients to ensure they book multiple sessions in the future.

The best way for the women to create these relationships?

Its quite simple: provide the best service possible and invest in downtime with the clients. This is what ensures the customers return again and again.

My other complaints about the larger clubs?

a) They don't have stable teams of women. Its a random walk and randomness is a problem when you don't visit these clubs very frequently.
b) They aren't ueberschaubar. I can't get the proverbial lay of the land at a glance.

For the record, I prefer true FKK clubs with naked women over Saunaclubs myself.

[Zimmer]

It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure she was this girl

Everhard watched a new girl arriving and get the tour by a manager. She walked and moved with an attitude totally lacking from the other girls. I believe it’s called sex appeal.

I talked to her but at the time I was too spent to enjoy her private company, and now you're telling me that not even she would have been a good session.

Yes, it could be her. After speaking to you in PM it seems like we missed each over with just a day or so. Indeed not the first time our ways have crossed.

In a pinch these large clubs will do but given a choice I prefer quieter, more subdued, more relaxed smaller clubs where it is leichter ins Gepraech zu kommen, in other words, easier to have a conversation.

I agree however when I visit Germany as a tourist I prefer to stay almost a day in the club, like 8-10 hours. At smaller clubs this isn’t possible because there isn’t enough to do between sessions. That's why I mostly end up in one of the Frankfurt three. If I only have limited time, yes, please give me a smaller club with naked women and I'll be just fine. But I would also like to say that, in my opinion, every large club is not the same. The Frankfurt clubs doesn't have much in common with GT in my opinion.

PHG isn't much different than this club in terms of ambiance. I would say that its even more difficult to manuever their bar area to pick someone out and have a conversation before committing. I'd prefer that she be sitting on a couch with a bare spot beside her for you to sidle up to her.

I was afraid this could be the case but this time I'll be visiting together with another ISG member so the conditions will probably be totally different from my GT visit. This means if none of the girls is interested in me I'll at least have someone to talk to while enjoying the facilities.

It will be very interesting to see if I'll like this club or not but if I don't like it I'll probably try to avoid the Golden Triangle clubs in the future. I should also note that the day after the visit to PHG another club visit is planned to a smaller FKK club, so if PHG is just a disaster for me and my taste, the trip to Germany will not be wasted because of this. No matter what happens I'll return home one experience richer.

I noticed in your report that you visited it on a Saturday. (right?) I think that is not really the best day to visit GT. Typically it is very very busy and many regular customer go there. So the girls have their regular customers. Same on a Friday.

Dear Dutch44,

Thank you for your suggestions. No, actually it was on a Wednesday. I don’t think I mentioned what weekday it was in my report. But to be perfectly fair I should mention that it was a hot and fantastic sunny day, not a single cloud.

If you go to this club alone and for the first time, I would advise to try a Sunday or Monday. During those 'quiet' days there are much less customers, and still some 30-40 women. It will be hard not to find a bunch of girls that are looking to spend time with you. My guess is that your experience on a Sunday or Monday will be very different. Best time to visit on a sunday is to get there around the afternoon (say 15h00), relax in the garden and do your first session. Then continue after (free) dinner. On Monday best time to get in is around dinner time (or after if you want to eat elsewhere)

I’m sure you are correct in saying not so many people visit GT during Sundays and Mondays. This seems to be the case in just about any club.

Well, I don’t know maybe I’m more of a FKK-guy (I prefer the women naked) and perhaps also looking for a bit more transaction-oriented girls as Jackyo described. Maybe I will give GT another try sometime later this year… But I simply don’t think this is the kind of club I prefer, given the choice of all Germany has to offer.

[Dutch44]

Dear Flodhast,

Just saw your report and saw it was your first visit to GoldenTime. I have been to this club many times, including recently, so I can say a little bit about it.

This report is extremely late so it's probably not very useful but I think my experience from this club is worth mentioning anyway because this club has not much in common with the FKK clubs I usually visit. I should also mention that this was my first visit to Golden Time....

I noticed in your report that you visited it on a Saturday. (right?) I think that is not really the best day to visit GT. Typically it is very very busy and many regular customer go there. So the girls have their regular customers. Same on a Friday.

To me this club felt more of a social club than a sex club and I didn't really feel at home in this club. Also I think I was the only guy who was alone in the club. A big difference comparing most other clubs I've been to where it's perfectly normal to visit the club by yourself. To fully enjoy GT you should, in my opinion, visit together with a friend or two.

If you go to this club alone and for the first time, I would advise to try a Sunday or Monday. During those 'quiet' days there are much less customers, and still some 30-40 women. It will be hard not to find a bunch of girls that are looking to spend time with you. My guess is that your experience on a Sunday or Monday will be very different. Best time to visit on a sunday is to get there around the afternoon (say 15h00), relax in the garden and do your first session. Then continue after (free) dinner. On Monday best time to get in is around dinner time (or after if you want to eat elsewhere)

I've not been back to Golden Time since this visit but if everything goes well I'll have the opportunity to try another NRW club soon, the famous PHG. I will wait with making my final NRW-sauna club judgement until after that visit. Who knows, maybe I'll be converted to a real "polar bear" this time.

Been there too. I prefer GT, more girls, nicer girls, nicer garden. But it is up to you to try both. Price structure in HG is the same.

enjoy,

Dutch44

[Jackyo]

I'm not the judgemental type, not at all...
...but from a man's point of view, if one wants a relationship as tight as what clearly is on offer at GT, why not settle for a regular mistress with apartment? Probably cheaper, and also fewer cocks poking around in her. I know, I know. If you already fell for a club girls, it's too late. Beggars can't be choosers, right?

IMO a sex club should be transaction oriented, otherwise it's a social club with benefits. Eyes wide shut comes to mind.

.. to being able to afford a mistress, unfortunately.

I've said this aloud in front of friends, by the way, and they are very quick to remind me that somehow attached to the word "mistress" is the notion that you are having her on the side while having a more formal relationship (read this as legal relationship). They are very quick to inform me that I wouldn't qualify.

I make the distinction between transactional and relationship type sessions because there are some women at these clubs who don't think long term and think of your interaction with them as only being for that one session.

I've been places where you would think they were flipping burgers instead of turning tricks. The extent of customization is in the sense of: "You want that with a BBBJ, DFK on the side and fries? Do you want to supersize that?"

I can picture this one chick at Atlantis who could turn tricks in 9 minutes flat from the time she dragged the poor unsuspecting soul into the room and then returned with him into the main contact room with his head bowed down in defeat at having to give it up so quickly within seconds of making physical contact with her. I watched this happen several times in a row and decided: no way I'm booking this chick.

She comes back from one of her sessions, stands within inches of me, buck naked except for heels, blonde, petite, cute as a button and cocks her head: "Na und?"

I politely declined.

The smarter women who think in terms of relationships want you to return to them for multiple extended sessions and they will invest in downtime with you because they know the effort will pay off in the end.

I agree. Its not in the same sense of a true relationship but for FKK club purposes any chick who can entice you to more than two sessions during the same visit or over several visits has got this relationship thing down to a science.

[Everhard]

there are two kinds of clubs: transaction-oriented and relationship-oriented.

I'm not the judgemental type, not at all...
...but from a man's point of view, if one wants a relationship as tight as what clearly is on offer at GT, why not settle for a regular mistress with apartment? Probably cheaper, and also fewer cocks poking around in her. I know, I know. If you already fell for a club girls, it's too late. Beggars can't be choosers, right?

IMO a sex club should be transaction oriented, otherwise it's a social club with benefits. Eyes wide shut comes to mind.

[Jackyo]

I went outside to have a look at the garden and I was totally amazed of the size. I reflected about the number of the men for a while and I thought that there is no way the girls is enough for all these men. But, as have been reported here before, a lot of the men seem to be visiting this club just for socializing with their friends and to drink beer. I also found that many of the most beautiful girls did spend all of their time hanging around with regular customers in the garden. I would have liked a session with many of them but they simply weren’t available. I didn't see them going to rooms, they just hang out outside together with their male friends.

To me this club felt more of a social club than a sex club and I didn't really feel at home in this club. Also I think I was the only guy who was alone in the club. A big difference comparing most other clubs I've been to where it's perfectly normal to visit the club by yourself. To fully enjoy GT you should, in my opinion, visit together with a friend or two. Of course it's not fair to judge this club just from one visit but this is definitely the feeling I took with me home from this club and I've been scrolling down this thread and found similar experiences from a few other members.

After the session I had some food. I don't remember what they served but I do remember it was quite good, but I didn't like the long queue system for being served the food. It felt like being a school kid again. With the number of men this club attracts they should in my opinion build a restaurant area. It also seemed like the regular customers in the garden, who still occupied all the best girls, didn't have the food that was served. Instead they ordered some special meal that was delivered to them later. I was happy at the time I noticed this because I thought at least some of the girls they occupied would be "free" now, but I was wrong. The guys showed to be true gentlemen and shared their food with the girls. Very nice of them indeed but it would also have been nice if they could have shared at least one of their girls with me...

As we all know most FKKs have a strict dress code, i.e. naked. But most of them also have a Dessous Tag once a week and during this day the girls wear lingerie. I guess this is because some customers prefer the girls to be dressed. I wish the sauna clubs in NRW (like Golden Time) could have a variant of this called "nudity day" once a week. This would be very good because some of us, like me, prefer the girls to be naked. In fact I would probably take the first plane to NRW if I was to be told about this change.

I've not been back to Golden Time since this visit but if everything goes well I'll have the opportunity to try another NRW club soon, the famous PHG. I will wait with making my final NRW-sauna club judgement until after that visit. Who knows, maybe I'll be converted to a real "polar bear" this time.

You bring up good observations on your visit and capture the vibe entirely.

I've done PHG and am not a fan of PHG for the same reasons: some of the girls would rather hang out with their established clients rather than do business with random tourists coming by their club once in a while (i.e. me). Groups of guys monopolize the girls non-room time but it pays off for the girls in the form of extended sessions so they don't mind the down time.

You can be sure that large sums of money are being exchanged for extended sessions at this club.

At the extremes, there are two kinds of clubs: transaction-oriented and relationship-oriented. Some of the larger more tourist-oriented clubs are clearly more transactional.

This club has a little of both with the relationship segment being represented by the first set of women and clients you describe above.

At same time there are girls who don't get chosen for such attention and they end up pacing up and down the corridors and hanging out near the Kino. They are the ones who have to hustle to break-even. They are the ones who have very long faces when they can't snag clients. They represent the transactional segment of this club.

And yes, they should find a civilized way to settle the issue of lining up for food. They don't prepare enough of it, which is the basic problem. At the appointed time for it, everyone in the know who wants some drops everything and makes a bee line for it.

And yes, this club along with the other two clubs in the Golden Triangle are Saunaclubs and not FKK clubs and would do a lot better if they could provide some eye candy once in a while. There are some near nude women there though and I remember one who sat on one of the couches nearest the locker are who displayed her charms as best as she could. Its nowhere near the amount of nudity one gets to see at a normal FKK club though.

PHG isn't much different than this club in terms of ambiance. I would say that its even more difficult to manuever their bar area to pick someone out and have a conversation before committing. I'd prefer that she be sitting on a couch with a bare spot beside her for you to sidle up to her.

In a pinch these large clubs will do but given a choice I prefer quieter, more subdued, more relaxed smaller clubs where it is leichter ins Gepraech zu kommen, in other words, easier to have a conversation.

[Everhard]

To me this club felt more of a social club than a sex club and I didn't really feel at home in this club. Also I think I was the only guy who was alone in the club.

Flodhast, your impressions, especially that GT beeing a social club, exactly mirrors my view. Probably that's why I haven't bothered to re-visit GT.

She was a young Russian girl with glasses, age ~22, long brown hair, medium built, C-cups, not fat, not very thin. Sorry don't remember her name but she looked like a true student with her glasses and I decided to talk to her. She told me she had only worked in the club for two days and before that she'd work in a small club in Cologne.

It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure she was this girl

watched a new girl arriving and get the tour by a manager. She walked and moved with an attitude totally lacking from the other girls. I believe it’s called sex appeal.

I talked to her but at the time I was too spent to enjoy her private company, and now you're telling me that not even she would have been a good session. What a pity you left at 8pm. My experience was that by that time - finally - the girls started to notice the non-regular visitors.

I wish the sauna clubs in NRW (like Golden Time) could have a variant of this called "nudity day" once a week.

A Nudity Day, that's brilliant! Sign me up for the petition!

[Zimmer]

This report is extremely late so it's probably not very useful but I think my experience from this club is worth mentioning anyway because this club has not much in common with the FKK clubs I usually visit. I should also mention that this was my first visit to Golden Time.

I arrived at about 16.00 (4pm). The club was easy to find but the parking lot seemed full. I drove down the street and I could clearly see traces of the clientele that frequent this club. Along this little road there was Merc's and Porsche's everywhere, almost down into the ditch. I couldn't find any space to park so I drove back and as soon as I was outside the club again a bouncer guy waved at me to drive inside the parking lot and he pointed me to a free space, very nice service. I was later informed that it's also possible to park at the department store next door.

The club was really crowded with guys in white robes just about everywhere. I had a shower and soon a girl entered the shower too, very nice. At this club the girls wear lingerie or bikini but it seems like some of the girls sometimes use the same showers as the men.

I went outside to have a look at the garden and I was totally amazed of the size. I reflected about the number of the men for a while and I thought that there is no way the girls is enough for all these men. But, as have been reported here before, a lot of the men seem to be visiting this club just for socializing with their friends and to drink beer. I also found that many of the most beautiful girls did spend all of their time hanging around with regular customers in the garden. I would have liked a session with many of them but they simply weren’t available. I didn't see them going to rooms, they just hang out outside together with their male friends.

To me this club felt more of a social club than a sex club and I didn't really feel at home in this club. Also I think I was the only guy who was alone in the club. A big difference comparing most other clubs I've been to where it's perfectly normal to visit the club by yourself. To fully enjoy GT you should, in my opinion, visit together with a friend or two. Of course it's not fair to judge this club just from one visit but this is definitely the feeling I took with me home from this club and I've been scrolling down this thread and found similar experiences from a few other members.

The pricing is very good with only 25€ extra for 60 min and free beer included in the entrance.

I only had one session in the club. She was a young Russian girl with glasses, age ~22, long brown hair, medium built, C-cups, not fat, not very thin. Sorry don't remember her name but she looked like a true student with her glasses and I decided to talk to her. She told me she had only worked in the club for two days and before that she'd work in a small club in Cologne. After some small talk she took me to one of the cabins outside.

In the room she started to do CBJ. I was not prepared for this as I'd read on this forum that BBBJ is inclusive. I asked her if she could do BBBJ instead but she said "No, I only do it with condom because I've a piercing." Wtf? Well I didn't feel I had the energy to complain and I also normally don't enjoy BBBJ so much from a girl with a piercing in her tongue anyway, so I let it rest. I think I don't like the touch of a piercing against my cock and I'm also a bit afraid that the piercing is going to hurt my little friend. The sex was rather good at the beginning, she had a good looking body and the room had some nice mirrors. But it was clearly that she just wanted to be back with her friends rather than being in the room with me so I decided to finish quickly. I don't want the girls to suffer. I certainly understand that most girls in this club give far more superior service than her, otherwise here would not be such great reviews from other members.

After the session I had some food. I don't remember what they served but I do remember it was quite good, but I didn't like the long queue system for being served the food. It felt like being a school kid again. With the number of men this club attracts they should in my opinion build a restaurant area. It also seemed like the regular customers in the garden, who still occupied all the best girls, didn't have the food that was served. Instead they ordered some special meal that was delivered to them later. I was happy at the time I noticed this because I thought at least some of the girls they occupied would be "free" now, but I was wrong. The guys showed to be true gentlemen and shared their food with the girls. Very nice of them indeed but it would also have been nice if they could have shared at least one of their girls with me...

At about 20.00 (8pm) I felt I had enough of this club and left.

Lately I've got this great idea...
As we all know most FKKs have a strict dress code, i.e. naked. But most of them also have a Dessous Tag once a week and during this day the girls wear lingerie. I guess this is because some customers prefer the girls to be dressed. I wish the sauna clubs in NRW (like Golden Time) could have a variant of this called "nudity day" once a week. This would be very good because some of us, like me, prefer the girls to be naked. In fact I would probably take the first plane to NRW if I was to be told about this change.

I've not been back to Golden Time since this visit but if everything goes well I'll have the opportunity to try another NRW club soon, the famous PHG. I will wait with making my final NRW-sauna club judgement until after that visit. Who knows, maybe I'll be converted to a real "polar bear" this time.

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[Dutch44]

Hi All,

Just back from a visit to my favourite FFK/Sauna Club or what ever you want to call it. 50 Euro entry for a whole day, including free drinks etc. It was not as busy as usual for a Friday and there were perhaps only 75 guests or near on. There were plenty ladies (I guess some 50) to choose from. Many nice ones and new ones. It seems quality is going up.

Sat in the garden, talked to some girls and went into a room twice, the last time with a beautiful dark haired and tall princess who was half turkish. 8-9 in looks, 8 in service. 1 hour, 75 Euros. Drove back home in my car singing. What a place. Europe is a good place to be.

good night everybody,

Dutch44

[Chicafan]

The reason I ask is because my last trip(about 2 months ago) I found a girl that was calling herself Nicky or Vicky who was just a little killer. I had never seen her there before and that was about my eighth visit. I'm from a beach area and she was as fine to me as most girls you could see on the beach and wish you would be able to enjoy. I couldn't believe her little body. So I just wondered if she was still around. She also said she is living in Frankfurt and going to travel back and forth a few days a week or something. Good lovin used to be hard to find.

No that's not the Vicky we talk about.

Vicky is Czech (speaks good German and English though), petite,very slim, very small breasts (A-cup), medium long blonde hair (sometimes Rasta-look).

She' s very nice and gives extremly good service! Just search for all the positive reports on this forum. She's got a real "fanclub".

:–)

[Globus]

Is Vicky a 5'4 Czech or Romanian with long straight black hair and about 20 years old? I might be thinking of a girl named Nicky I met on my last trip. She was extremely good looking to me.

I meant to add that Vicky alternates between Goldentime – where she calls herself Regina – and Palace.