SC Sauna Club Living Room - Kaarst

[Bfsie]

A week later you guys are still discussing this topic LOL. I am on here to check whether some members responsed my post and might just join in the discussion since I have no better thing to do tonight.

...' fantasy board'...

Maybe after you have been to FKK too often, you think that everything happening in Germany is fantasy like in FKK clubs. What we are talking about is not a criminal case which need hard evidence. The german government has a big say and power to any business (including any FKK club) which requires the government license, particularly the business in sex industry which are notoriously associated with criminal activities such as [CodeWord908] and don't get any public sympathy. The german government can use any dubious reasons to shut down any FKK club and they don't need hard evidence, such as catching BBBJ in act, to revoke or not renew any FKK club license. We don't need rocket scientist to figure this out and just need to see how the FKK clubs set up self-imposed BBBJ ban and kick out the WGs who violate this ban because they fear that the government would use any excuse to shut them down. If they don't fear the government might shut them down, they don't need to have self-imposed BBBJ ban because legally the clubs are not guilty for the WG's BBBJ violation.

As for a lot of the fake posts on this forum about BBBJ, in reality, it didn't and is not going to happen. Hypothetically if it happened, well, that is the ultimate price FKK clubs have to pay being in this business. As you may know, some innocent people were executed in the US in the USA Legel system.

[Rogue Nation]

Police has no interested at all to check compliance regarding the use of condoms. They have other priorities and not enough cops to focus on something that irrelevant.

[PussyLiccker]

The LR raid (or what have you) is not indicative(in certain) of this forum being the cause.

[Rogue Nation]

Please enlighten as to how Dietzenbach, apart from registration and putting up condom only signs, is officially complying with the law versus GT and LR are not with regard to allowing the girls to perform AO and BBBJ?

Supplying girls with condoms. Having signs up saying condom use is mandatory. NOT having flyers in the lockers saying "against mandatory condom use". No public BBBJ. All those things make Dietzenbach more compliant. Officially. Who knows what happens behind closed doors? People playing chess. Talking. Having fully protected sex.

[Optimist]

I think you make a good point however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.

The word ' assuming' ; facts to make a case need hard evidence, they can not go off assuming.

I think both you and RN are very correct about Dietz complying. Most clubs probably are.

I believe it is not the responsibility (I stand corrected if I am wrong) of the club (Ao or not) to enforce the condom usage laws but do need to make it aware to the girls and the men what the law is and signs are posted in the clubs including Dietz. Big ones. They are in compliance. They may have a duty to report if they are told of an illegal act. If BBBJ and AO are going on in the clubs our posts on a ' fantasy board' mean diddly squat. Who is to say Member XYZ was even in Germany? Perhaps Poster XYZ is a guy at home simply writing fantasy and is in reality in a wheelchair unable to fuck? Perhaps I have never been to Germany and all my stories are fabricated? Where is the proof?

To think the police are not aware of AO or BBBJ taking place is naive, they know. I see it live at some clubs in the hot tubs. Others have seen it happen in kinos. Are the police stupid? I think not. They can see it live in hot tubs too if they wanted especially if I can as a infrequent visitor. To think the police need the internet or the ISG to build a case or find out is silly. They already know and can find out without our posts which are at the end of the day ' unproven acts ' on a ' fantasy board' what is posted is not fact, fact can only be found out in person. How many men have been busted in 6 months or locked up? If they wanted to the accrued fines since July 1 (or major lack of) could be massive and the jails full. They are not. Their payday is coming January 1. They will have their money. They will have records of who the girls are and where they live. They will have the control they want and the funds they want. They do not give a shit about AO or BBBJ although they might make a token bust in the new year (hopefully not I) somehow to show they mean business on the registration / tax part and to install fear in men but I would bet if they do it will have nothing to do with anything ever posted on the ISG.

The club is also required to make sure the girls who work there are legal as are all clubs. This they can and will enforce and the clubs need to as well ensure their girls are legal and registered. That is what this raid was about, storm in to a smaller FKK (lower costs than raiding a massive club) and send a loud warning shot across the bow to the girls. It worked. The female cop who said ' use a condom' was there for the raid on registration not to bust BBBJ recipients. How many men were charged or hauled in? To the best of my knowledge all girls that will be at Dietz and other clubs who will be working are complying and getting registered.

So how is Dietzenbach itself not in compliance?

I think people are paranoid about nothing and should be more worried about girls not returning, girls under 21 maybe not returning, quality of girls in the FKK's, perhaps a new batch of unseasoned girls will fill up the spots of the departed? Perhaps someone's ATF will depart? Will there be enough pussy for all the men still?

Guys IMO need be worried about the upcoming Hurricane to hit January 1, not the hurricane that passed 6 months ago and where is it now? IMO long gone. The paranoia remains.

All just my opinion, perhaps my fantasy, like our posts.

Thank you for the well argued, balanced post.

My only addition to your main point is that we will not know how the laws will be enforced or not until a year has passed.The LR raid indicates nothing

Nobody would suggest that any member reporting here is in any significant danger of being prosecuted as a result. So you will be pleased to know your younger brother is safe in his fantasies..

And as you say, the authorities don't need forums to build a case against a club: I would however assume that they would drag in every piece of hearsay and fantasy possible, when looking at a club. If they want to bring down a club it is likely to be by using registration, tax, fire, and planning infringements

In the meantime, keep calm and carry on as you say.

[Optimist]

Optimist:

I agree with Kosher about reports on a fantasy board as he puts it. I and others have made the same argument many times. Members can make up stories, embellish them, completely falsify them, make up reports about visits and sessions that only happened in their wet dreams, assume a hundred fake avataars and create a thousand penthouse letters. Even if the all upstanding and honest members of this forum adhered to the "shut up and keep quiet" policies, there is no guarantee whatsoever that others won't post what they may post.

I agree as well.

By the way I hope I am not upstanding. I would rather be scurrilous.

My decisions about how I post are not intended to guarantee that others won't post what they want. As I keep saying, each member should post as they think fit.I think we are agreed

[Pistons]

Too much paranoia.

A3

[Member #4585]

Different states. Hessen vs NRW. Plus Dietzenbach is officially complying with the law, GT and LR are not.

I have already mentioned that different states are implementing the law in different ways as they find their way with the various government agencies. It may eventually become a uniform approach but in this initial transition stage there may be a number of unknowns.

Please enlighten as to how Dietzenbach, apart from registration and putting up condom only signs, is officially complying with the law versus GT and LR are not with regard to allowing the girls to perform AO and BBBJ?

[Kosher Kowboy]

Yes basically. A man doing an illegal action is the responsible one. The club is not responsible.
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Optimist,

I would like to sincerely apologize to you. Under false pretenses you met my younger brother. I have never been to Germany. The guy you met likes to go to Dietzenbach for the sole purpose of fucking the most hideous god awful ugliest women with the filthiest most disgusting over worked pussies Germany has ever seen. I have told him to try other places and pay up for attractive girls but he simply will not listen to me. He will only ride the S2 ' Creampie Express' not because he creampies in Dietzenbach in fact he always wears a condom even for handjobs!!

I am flat broke, my brother makes all the money. I call it the Creampie Express because my brother found a bakery in Dietzenbach that makes these great cream filled desserts. I just enjoy writing, one day I too hope to go to Germany for covered sex like my brother.

[Smoke Light]

Typically during razzia music stops and all "normal" club sounds disappear. That might be a signal for you to become vigilant and expect unwelcome visitors when in a room with a girl.

Any attempts by police to enter without warning I consider a harassment of the sex worker. If no established probable cause of criminal activity exist, the government should not be entering private rooms without timely knocking on the door and substantial verbal warning before entering.

[Pistons]

however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.

All we ever do in life are assumptions. Assumptions that what we see and hear is not just a part of our own mind. Assumptions that numbers and words we are being given are not forged. Assumptions that we are not just playing a part in an intergalactic reality drama broadcasted live to 200 trillion people across the galaxy.

[Optimist]

If illegal acts happen, they are still illegal regardless of how many reasonable measures are implemented by the club owner; no?? The fact that the club took reasonable measures to enforce the law **might** count in its favor if it ever comes to a trial and penalties. But unclear why that would change the facts, i.e. an illegal act, or many illegal acts were committed on the premises (assuming they happened)

Yes basically. A man doing an illegal action is the responsible one. The club is not responsible.

The club would be presumably committing separate offence if it facilitates such offence.

[Member #4581]

Optimist: if illegal acts happen, they are still illegal regardless of how many reasonable measures are implemented by the club owner; no?? The fact that the club took reasonable measures to enforce the law **might** count in its favor if it ever comes to a trial and penalties. But unclear why that would change the facts of the case, i.e. an illegal act, or many illegal acts were committed on the premises (assuming they happened)

I agree with Kosher about reports on a fantasy board as he puts it. I and others have made the same argument many times. Members can make up stories, embellish them, completely falsify them, make up reports about visits and sessions that only happened in their wet dreams, assume a hundred fake avataars and create a thousand penthouse letters. Even if the all upstanding and honest members of this forum adhered to the "shut up and keep quiet" policies, there is no guarantee whatsoever that others won't post what they may post.

[Kosher Kowboy]

People here wrote doing AO sex in Dietz. How is that complying with the law, assuming what the members reported is truthful.

I think you make a good point however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.

The word ' assuming' ; facts to make a case need hard evidence, they can not go off assuming.

Dietzenbach club is taking all reasonable measures to ensure it complies with the law. So I think RN is correct about that.

As you say, the raid at LR proves nothing, except that Police are aware of the law, and it seems they were on that occasion not trying to enforce its condom requirements

I think both you and RN are very correct about Dietz complying. Most clubs probably are.

I believe it is not the responsibility (I stand corrected if I am wrong) of the club (Ao or not) to enforce the condom usage laws but do need to make it aware to the girls and the men what the law is and signs are posted in the clubs including Dietz. Big ones. They are in compliance. They may have a duty to report if they are told of an illegal act. If BBBJ and AO are going on in the clubs our posts on a ' fantasy board' mean diddly squat. Who is to say Member XYZ was even in Germany? Perhaps Poster XYZ is a guy at home simply writing fantasy and is in reality in a wheelchair unable to fuck? Perhaps I have never been to Germany and all my stories are fabricated? Where is the proof?

To think the police are not aware of AO or BBBJ taking place is naive, they know. I see it live at some clubs in the hot tubs. Others have seen it happen in kinos. Are the police stupid? I think not. They can see it live in hot tubs too if they wanted especially if I can as a infrequent visitor. To think the police need the internet or the ISG to build a case or find out is silly. They already know and can find out without our posts which are at the end of the day ' unproven acts ' on a ' fantasy board' what is posted is not fact, fact can only be found out in person. How many men have been busted in 6 months or locked up? If they wanted to the accrued fines since July 1 (or major lack of) could be massive and the jails full. They are not. Their payday is coming January 1. They will have their money. They will have records of who the girls are and where they live. They will have the control they want and the funds they want. They do not give a shit about AO or BBBJ although they might make a token bust in the new year (hopefully not I) somehow to show they mean business on the registration / tax part and to install fear in men but I would bet if they do it will have nothing to do with anything ever posted on the ISG.

The club is also required to make sure the girls who work there are legal as are all clubs. This they can and will enforce and the clubs need to as well ensure their girls are legal and registered. That is what this raid was about, storm in to a smaller FKK (lower costs than raiding a massive club) and send a loud warning shot across the bow to the girls. It worked. The female cop who said ' use a condom' was there for the raid on registration not to bust BBBJ recipients. How many men were charged or hauled in? To the best of my knowledge all girls that will be at Dietz and other clubs who will be working are complying and getting registered.

So how is Dietzenbach itself not in compliance?

I think people are paranoid about nothing and should be more worried about girls not returning, girls under 21 maybe not returning, quality of girls in the FKK's, perhaps a new batch of unseasoned girls will fill up the spots of the departed? Perhaps someone's ATF will depart? Will there be enough pussy for all the men still?

Guys IMO need be worried about the upcoming Hurricane to hit January 1, not the hurricane that passed 6 months ago and where is it now? IMO long gone. The paranoia remains.

All just my opinion, perhaps my fantasy, like our posts.

[Pistons]

As far as the proposal you make at the bottom. Sorry, can't accept, but if you feel strongly about it you should go ahead with it yourself. Solicitation is illegal where I live. Writing about BBBJ on ISG is not. In fact, discouraging other members from writing about BBBJ is against forum rules. In effect, by arguing that people should stop writing, you are flouting one forum rule here and when I object then you are asking me to commit another illegal act in my state. Not very logical.

That is not at all true. My proposal was about you standing at a shopping mall with signs advocation the liberalization of prostitution. It is clearly not the same as soliciting in a society where it is illegal. I didn't say you should have sex with someone at the shopping mall. Nor did I say you should have sex with the poster.

And this is not a discouragement of posters on ISG. Nor was the former post I made half a year ago that gave me a red dot. They are liberal thoughts on self censorship. You can disagree if you like, but censoring my liberal thought is just as much censorship as self censorship is. Then again, the world is unfortunately not an utopia, and if we like to have room sessions abruptly interrupted in the middle of sexual acts like at LR, then sure, its got absolutely nothing to do with postings on the world biggest prostitution forum. Absolutely. Because cops don't know about this hidden part of the internet.