FKK FAQ

[Jackyo]

... and come to my hotel room in a North American city which I will not name, I have to admit that I have a thing for taking a chick's street clothes off of her.

There is something about it which is kind of like opening a present to reveal what she looks like inside all of that packaging.

During those sessions, my hotel room looks like a movie scene where the camera follows a trail of his clothes and her clothes into a bedroom.

It could also be a function of seeing too much porn where the women don't take all of their clothes off, particularly their shoes.

The more femininely she is dressed, the more interesting it is. I'm not into the jeans and sweatshirt look. She has to have a dress on with all of the underwear accessories, stockings and heels.

Would I pay extra for this in Germany? I don't know. I've not gone so far as to take women's clothes into an FKK club to ask an already nude woman to put clothes on.

I am wary of women at FKK clubs who won't take their shoes off though. I have had sessions where their motivation for not doing so was so that they could get up quickly to make the bed and then leave the room.

[Vito Corleone]

Theme: Extras for dressing up and other alternative requests

My German girl then turns to me and said that man had asked her to go to the room with him. She said fine and took him to a room. The man had a bag and opened the bag and showed it to the German girl. In the bag was a pair of jeans and a normal girl's top like you see a normal girl in the street to wear.

The man asked if the German girl could put the jeans and top on before their session so he could undress her. The girl was pretty much naked anywhere bar some panty looking waist wrap.

The German girl said she would, but this is extra and said "what do you pay me?" The German girl had in mind say €5 or €10 as a tip for fulfilling his male fantasy of picking up a normal girl in a club and having sex with her immediately.

The man said that no extras, just the normal €50 price.

Anyway, the German girl called the man cheap.

I have heard now of late mainly from German girls that €50 for a normal service is not much for what they do. Upsells seem to be more prevalent now than say a couple of years ago where girls can earn some extra income from a single session.

My question which may not be a frequently asked one is: Would one expect to pay extra for dressing up by a girl in a sauna club or FKK? The girls are naked or near naked already. On dessous tag the girls are in bikinis or lingeries but this is not the same as say nurses outfits, air hostess, school girls or plain sexy girl next door looking dress up which I think this man wanted.

I have a thing for sexy school girls and have had the odd conversation if any girls had school girl outfits that they would wear. Most did not have any outfits except for their waist wraps or dessous tag gear so it never got that far as to whether an extra cost would be involved.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Wassup LBC,

I concur with the German babe, the man was a little cheap. I think a 10 E tip would have been fair, but a session is a session & getting dressed then undressed means less sucking & fucking the woman has to do.

Before people start pulling their hair, I do not tip.

As a horny, war mongering, alpha male American, 50 E is a great deal for the service & quality of woman @ the FKK's/Sauna Clubs & etc. Even with the US dollar as worthless as it currently is, averaging 6-9 sessions a day or spending 3-5 hours with a ATF is well worth it. Since it is illegal here (not including a few counties in Nevada), to most Americans 50 E is an offer you can't refuse!

If you really have a school girl fetish, buy a costume then bring it with you to Germany. If you ever plan on visiting Japan, there are dozens of places that offer it.

[Basketcase]

Theme: Extras for dressing up and other alternative requests

I was at a club recently and was lying in the kino with a pretty blond German babe after doing her good German friend that day and having done this particular blond German girl 2 weeks before. It was so nice lying on a couch with a tall, blue eyed, near naked blond girl.

She noticed a dark haired man about late twenties come into the Kino and my German girl smiled at him and waved at him. The guy sheepishly did not notice her.

My German girl then turns to me and said that man had asked her to go to the room with him. She said fine and took him to a room. The man had a bag and opened the bag and showed it to the German girl. In the bag was a pair of jeans and a normal girl's top like you see a normal girl in the street to wear.

The man asked if the German girl could put the jeans and top on before their session so he could undress her. The girl was pretty much naked anywhere bar some panty looking waist wrap.

The German girl said she would, but this is extra and said "what do you pay me?" The German girl had in mind say €5 or €10 as a tip for fulfilling his male fantasy of picking up a normal girl in a club and having sex with her immediately.

The man said that no extras, just the normal €50 price.

I did not press the German girl whether she went ahead, but I suspect she did since business is business and she could also describe the jeans and top to me as to what I thought. I guess the guy did not have good taste and wanted the clothes back. I was more surprised that she fitted the clothes but the German girl said he had bought medium so most girls would fit them.

Anyway, the German girl called the man cheap.

I have heard now of late mainly from German girls that €50 for a normal service is not much for what they do. Upsells seem to be more prevalent now than say a couple of years ago where girls can earn some extra income from a single session.

My question which may not be a frequently asked one is: Would one expect to pay extra for dressing up by a girl in a sauna club or FKK? The girls are naked or near naked already. On dessous tag the girls are in bikinis or lingeries but this is not the same as say nurses outfits, air hostess, school girls or plain sexy girl next door looking dress up which I think this man wanted.

I also know that arse play on a man such as rimming can be extra but then I hear certain girls do that as part of the normal price. YMMV as they say.

Also finger in girl's vagina or in her arse may be extra as seen in the Palace thread earlier this year.

Then there is the come on body (COB) scenario where some girls charge extra €50 or €25 fir this finish but some girls do not. Of course it seems accepted that Come on Face (COF) is definitely a €50 or €25 extra depending on the club as it messes the girl's make up and she has to spend time cleaning herself up.

I know there is no correct answer to all of this as this is a people business and exceptions abound but there must be experiences on what is possible or the normal practice.

I am more interested in whether a dress is a legitimate extra that needs paying for.

I have a thing for sexy school girls and have had the odd conversation if any girls had school girl outfits that they would wear. Most did not have any outfits except for their waist wraps or dessous tag gear so it never got that far as to whether an extra cost would be involved.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[Jackyo]

Q: I am a newbie. Which club would you recommend me?

A: Sure we can recommend you a club, but for this to be meaningful there is a lot more information about YOU that we need.
- Are you going alone?
- How much money and time are you willing to spend?
- Are you newbie wrt paysex or just FKK?
- How old are you? Race? Beauty?
and perhaps most important
- How assertive are you?

In short: It is more about you as a person than the club!

I'll integrate it in the next version I do of the FAQ. Thanks, dude!

[Everhard]

Q: I am a newbie. Which club would you recommend me?

A: Sure we can recommend you a club, but for this to be meaningful there is a lot more information about YOU that we need.
- Are you going alone?
- How much money and time are you willing to spend?
- Are you newbie wrt paysex or just FKK?
- How old are you? Race? Beauty?
and perhaps most important
- How assertive are you?

In short: It is more about you as a person than the club!

[Jackyo]

This is to simply copy over Londonbasketcase's Best of the Best List from the Oase thread.

My order of German club preference from most favoured to lesser favoured as at September 2008 is:

1) FKK Oase (Hessen) - my A list girls that do all the dirty things I like. It rare that I have a bad session here. My spiritual home in Deutschland.

2) Golden Time (Nord Rhein Westfalen) - expansive variety and reasonable pricing, always have a warm welcome here from all thekenfraus and the friendly local ijsberen.

3) FKK Palace (Hessen) - conveniently located, decent food for a FKK and the best kino layout in my experience.

4) FKK Artemis (Brandenburg) very pricey club but nice facilities, I found a bit of all my NRW and Hessen A list girls here in other girls.

5) Villa Vertigo (Nord Rhein Westfalen) but has lost the edge now due to no kino, but saves itself with the food and nice ambiance. A nice club to go for a rest.

6) FKK World (Hessen) - wins on facilities merit.

7) Yin Yang (Nederland) - plays some of the best music on the circuit but Golden Time could beat it with its uplifting trance and hard house music, but the Yin Yang difference is that girls dance to the music and love it when you join in - no pressure for a session.

8) Planet Happy Garden (Nord Rhein Westfalen) - quiet, friendly, good food, a nice place to rest.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[Basketcase]

In certain FKK's I think its safe to say if your ... fairly attractive, there is no such thing as YMMV, its a "Sure Thing".

Hi DJ FourMoney

Thanks for the confidence booster. I guess I hit every branch of the ugly tree when I fell off it since your point about "fairly attractive" is not one of my attributes.

Vielen Danke.

I guess this is why most of the girls at Artemis did not offer me kissing as part of the service.

Kein problem. I guess I will not be back in a hurry as I am already booked out to NRW and Hessen for the rest of the year. I seem to get kissing in all my sessions with girls (even with unknown quantities) in Golden Time and Oase without even asking like I tended to in Artemis.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[DJ FourMoney]

At Artemis - make sure you ask what services are on offer.

I visited Artemis for 3 days (35 hours in the club) in August 2008 and found that many girls did not kiss. At Golden Time in NRW and Oase in Hessen I never even think to ask since kissing was a standard service. For some reason the girls at Artemis, although stunning seem reluctant to offer kissing as a service at all. The ladies gave many reason, but I will not mention names of which said what. Some said it is too intimate or that they had a boyfriend or a husband and did not do it out of respect.

BBBJ, DATY and fondling all over were okay but some girls did not let you do DATY very long. I felt it was very processor environment - 10-15 minute sessions.

If kissing is offered then it is inclusive of the €60 for 30 minutes session. The kissing seemed to be a quick few pecks and if DFK - just for a minute before moving onto the next stage of their programme and not going back to the DFK since that service had already been performed.

Some kissing was very light touch or just lips or only the out stretched tongue and that was it.

I do not have these issues at Oase or GT.

Interestingly COB seemed to be inclusive in €60 price compared to Oase and GT where I find COB service considered an extra at €50 and €25 respectively. So suffice to say I filled my boots wih COB finishes instead of paying €50 for the CIM finishes that I relish in GT and Oase.

COB inclusive prices for a standard session is only one reason to return to Artemis in Berlin.

Berlin is a big city and I ate lots of lightly spiced pommes frites with curry wurst. Also for some reason the city is swamped with Dunkin Donut shops. Must be a Kennedy thing with those Berliner jam donuts.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase

Yep, went to Oase once, had GFE first time out, made eye contact and when I was ready I called her over, she was happy to do so. We talked, we went into the Kino, she went down on me for 10-15 mins, I went down on her, she said it was time to go to a room after about 20 or so minutes of foreplay.

Was with her about an hour, maybe a bit longer. She claimed to have a BF but had no problem kissing me or DATY.

In certain FKK's I think its safe to say if your a nice guy at heart and fairly attractive, there is no such thing as YMMV, its a "Sure Thing".

[Jackyo]

There is one part of the routine I am still curious about. This is the period between sessions. How long does one take for recovery time? How to relax and other activities? Can you interact with the girls? Anything else?

Recovery time is an individual thing. How long does it take you to get it up again? I can't answer that question.

If you practice "sperm management" as one of our esteemed colleagues has described, you decide with whom and how often you come so you can spread your sessions out. If you don't practice "sperm management", your cycle time will depend on you. As I've described before, I've learned to fake it sometimes just to be able to save it for later. I've also sometimes told her pointblank that I'm on a Spermasparplan.

Actitivies to pass the time: eating, sleeping, drinking, saunieren, swimming (if there is a pool), whirlpool dipping, reading, TV watching. How do you spend your time when you are just hanging out at home?

You can interact with the girls, the staff and the other guests. Just be careful about physical contact with the girls or monopolizing her time as it may be misconstrued as your committing to her but it is an essential part of testing for chemistry that you have some kind of conversation with her anyway.

Conversations with the staff and other guests are not misconstrued. It also depends on the club. Some clubs are conducive to just hanging out and shooting the breeze. At others the guests keep to themselves and seem to be ashamed to be there.

Routard has described the athmosphere at Cocoon as similar to being at a funeral, for example. Some clubs are Gemuetlich, others less so.

[Beach Runner]

Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?

Hi,

Like Rogerpaul I am a lurker that will be making my first visit to the FKKS (World, Oase, Palace) in Hessen in the next few weeks.

First thanks for all the reports and advice and insight into what to expect when I get into an FFK. I feel like I am ready for anything, even a shark attack. Of course, when a hand reaches under my towel and grabs my cock anything could happen.

There is one part of the routine I am still curious about. This is the period between sessions. How long does one take for recovery time? How to relax and other activities? Can you interact with the girls? Anything else?

Thanks for the help

Beach Runner

[Basketcase]

Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?

At Artemis - make sure you ask what services are on offer.

I visited Artemis for 3 days (35 hours in the club) in August 2008 and found that many girls did not kiss. At Golden Time in NRW and Oase in Hessen I never even think to ask since kissing was a standard service. For some reason the girls at Artemis, although stunning seem reluctant to offer kissing as a service at all. The ladies gave many reason, but I will not mention names of which said what. Some said it is too intimate or that they had a boyfriend or a husband and did not do it out of respect.

BBBJ, DATY and fondling all over were okay but some girls did not let you do DATY very long. I felt it was very processor environment - 10-15 minute sessions.

If kissing is offered then it is inclusive of the €60 for 30 minutes session. The kissing seemed to be a quick few pecks and if DFK - just for a minute before moving onto the next stage of their programme and not going back to the DFK since that service had already been performed.

Some kissing was very light touch or just lips or only the out stretched tongue and that was it.

I do not have these issues at Oase or GT.

Interestingly COB seemed to be inclusive in €60 price compared to Oase and GT where I find COB service considered an extra at €50 and €25 respectively. So suffice to say I filled my boots wih COB finishes instead of paying €50 for the CIM finishes that I relish in GT and Oase.

COB inclusive prices for a standard session is only one reason to return to Artemis in Berlin.

Berlin is a big city and I ate lots of lightly spiced pommes frites with curry wurst. Also for some reason the city is swamped with Dunkin Donut shops. Must be a Kennedy thing with those Berliner jam donuts.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase

[Jackyo]

Hi,

Plan to go for the first time to Artemis---my very first FKK---for a visit sometime in the next two weeks. Await my report here.

I have a question. I like foreplay before the act--esp. Kissing, sucking and caressing breasts, and kissing and licking the inner thighs before DATY. Is this an extra or is it with the service?

Cheers,

Roger

... services. No extra charges involved.

[Mr Styles]

Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?

[Mr Styles]

Hi,

Plan to go for the first time to Artemis---my very first FKK---for a visit sometime in the next two weeks. Await my report here.

I have a question. I like foreplay before the act--esp. Kissing, sucking and caressing breasts, and kissing and licking the inner thighs before DATY. Is this an extra or is it with the service?

Cheers,

Roger

[Angus Magee]

.. and most of them aren't done properly. most women don't know they need to get their teeth out of the way.

we were having a discussion on another forum about bjs and one of the guys wrote to say that he's never had a bad one. a vast majority of the bjs i've experienced are bad so i replied that he's just not had enough experience.

a crazy czech woman at heavensgate even bit me once a couple of years ago. she was fooling around. it was painful.

teeth are used to chew food including meat and they are usually quite sharp.

so if you ever read a report i write about someone who does a bj properly you can be very sure she was very good and very careful about getting her teeth out of the way.

most guys write reports complaining about too much handeinsatz. i'm more concerned with zahneinsatz.

oh i have had some bad bj's in my day.

and i have had some mind bending bj's.

i believe that the secret to a good bj (same as the secret to a man giving a woman good head) is that the woman is really into giving the bj. and many women are not so into giving bj's ime.

teeth can be used but it is a true bj artist who knows when and how to use them.

one of my best ever bj's was delivered by a street hooker way back when i first started this hobby. back in those days a bbbj was unheard of from a street hooker. with this girl she just went down and started doing her thing, as far as i knew with no condom. i was in heaven and she worked on me for a good 20 mins. until i emptied into her mouth and she seemed to swallow the load, tidy her make up and jump out of the car.

it wasn't until i got home and went to [CodeWord134] that i suddenly realized that she had slipped a condom on with her mouth and i had never even known.

she was a true bj artist and a rare find.