FKK FAQ

[Jackyo]

It needs to be bigger cuts than that, besides still no risk to you since you only come in contact with saliva.

I agree that BJs done with teeth are not very pleasant, but it's not most women who do it that way? You must have been unlucky.

Sanftes natur blasen is my favourite, I like it better than rein raus

.. and most of them aren't done properly. Most women don't know they need to get their teeth out of the way.

We were having a discussion on another forum about BJs and one of the guys wrote to say that he's never had a bad one. A vast majority of the BJs I've experienced are bad so I replied that he's just not had enough experience.

A crazy Czech woman at Heavensgate even bit me once a couple of years ago. She was fooling around. It was painful.

Teeth are used to chew food including meat and they are usually quite sharp.

So if you ever read a report I write about someone who does a BJ properly you can be very sure she was very good and very careful about getting her teeth out of the way.

Most guys write reports complaining about too much Handeinsatz. I'm more concerned with Zahneinsatz.

[F Nature]

It needs to be bigger cuts than that, besides still no risk to you since you only come in contact with saliva.

I agree that BJs done with teeth are not very pleasant, but it's not most women who do it that way? You must have been unlucky.

Sanftes natur blasen is my favourite, I like it better than rein raus

[Jackyo]

I've been gnawed at too often to think BJs are a treat.

Most women don't know how to minimize contact with their teeth and it can be quite painful if not done correctly.

Overly toothy BJs can cause little cuts and tears in the skin.

This is one more benefit to minimizing BJ time and focusing on the main event: the traditional rein raus.

[F Nature]

Yes my comment "very low risk practice" was for other STDs, not HIV.

There is a small risk to get for example Gonorrhea, but this can of course be easily treated with antibiotics.

Oral sex seems to be extremely low risk when it comes to HIV, there is mostly various theoretical risks involved.

[Henio]

<snip> Prostitutes in Germany have to have regular check-ups, by the way. <snip>

No they don't. It is a common misunderstanding. Mandatory checks for prostitutes in Germany were abolished in 2001.

[SvenFKK]

As far as I know unprotected oral sex is a very low risk practice, both for the giving and the receiving person.

I am someone who takes essentially no risks. I value my life way too much.

Let's talk about AIDS first.

After a lot of research, the consensus seems to be that getting your dick sucked has essentially zero risk. Of course, if the girl doesn't have AIDS, you can't get it, so all risk discussion assumes she does (otherwise there is no point in the discussion). There are two main reasons for this. First, unless you have open sores (in which case you can get AIDS from holding hands), there is no way the virus can be transmitted. It doesn't go through skin or intact mucus membranes. Second, even if you did, a) the viral load in saliva is way to small to cause infection (you would have to be exposed to several liters within a short time) and b) there is an enzyme in saliva which de-activates the Hi virus. So, to get AIDS by being sucked, the girl would have to be bleeding out of her mouth and you would have to have open sores.

The risk to the girl is somewhat higher, but still quite low compared to vaginal or anal sex (which have a much higher risk, very high for the receptive partner, especially anally). First, the virus is in sperm. Second, not all of it can be de-activated by the girl's saliva. Third, the girl might have small cuts in the mouth (perhaps from having eaten potato chips) which don't bleed (and hence wouldn't be a risk to you) but are open enough to become infected by infected sperm. Theoretically, if she swallows and has an ulcer, that's also a possibility. Still, oral sex, even for the person doing the sucking, is relatively low risk.

As for licking a girl---it is almost impossible to get AIDS from a girl, except via vaginal or anal sex (unprotected---with a condom, no worries).

Officially, no government agency will come out and say this, both because it is understandably better to be on the safe side, and also because there would be some criticism from conservative groups if the government were "encouraging oral sex". However, my summary above seems to be the case according to the scientific literature.

As for other diseases, they are in principle easier to get, but here (like with AIDS as well), in practice there is no risk if the girl doesn't have them. Prostitutes in Germany have to have regular check-ups, by the way. However, other STDs can be treated quite easily with penicillin etc, especially if noticed early. So, the biggest danger might be explaining it to your wife! (AIDS is actually quite hard to get; what is bad about it is that it is difficult to treat.)

Despite early warnings, AIDS is STILL essentially confined to the traditional high-risk groups. (AIDS can be spread sexually and prostitutes have a lot of sex, but probably most prostitutes with AIDS are drug users who got it from needles. So, if the girl doesn't use drugs, she's probably not any more likely than you to get AIDS.)

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!

[Globus]

Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.

It's definately possible – under the conditions Iseeu correctly stated.

I personaly saw it twice happening. Once at Oase, once at Golden Time.

Globus

[Iseeu]

Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.

Yes, but she will need to pay like other customers, wear towel or robe like everyone else and can not service any of the other clientele. In any case, it's best to speak to the management beforehand.

Many of the SP will happily take the 2 of you to a room and you will be charged for a double session (50 euro per person). You and she should be aware and prepared that she will receive a lot of looks from the paying customers. BTW, it's much more common at PT's and there she could entertain other men if she chooses and not feel like a piece of meat.

As has been documented here our friends Shiatsu and Cordelia went to World and Cordelia enjoyed the scene so much that she moved to the other side and began to work there regularly.

Njoy and write us about your experiences...

[July Gan]

Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.

[Jackyo]

I have a question though, did they perform bare BJs in FKKs even say in the mid 90s?

BBBJ has been standard since that time.

[Turisto]

This includes crossing the street or even just sitting on the couch watching TV.

Agree, you can probably get smth bad by sitting on the coach at one's favourite FKK where a lot of bare action already occurred . But seriously - do we know whether the girls are requested to do any sort of profilactic measures (antiseptic, etc.) after each BBBJ or this is up to each girl? Any health problems experienced by any of the customers in FKK as a result of DFKs and BBBJs? Just wondering whether this info/statistics exist or disclosed?

Bayern clubs is not an option.

[F Nature]

as far as i know unprotected oral sex is a very low risk practice, both for the giving and the receiving person.

and after all it would probably not be common practice in clubs if it was high risk

it's also a good thing to [CodeWord134] after receiving a bare bj since [CodeWord109] is sterile, minimizes the risk to you even further.

i have a question though, did they perform bare bjs in fkks even say in the mid 90s?

in those days the fear of hiv must have been much greater, and it wasn't quite established how you could get infected, even oral sex was regarded as a means of being infected.

if they did perform bbbjs that would have been surprising i think!

[Jackyo]

Hey there!

Not sure this the right forum for such a question, but this one is of general nature and covers all of FKKs I believe. Sorry, if posted this in the wrong thread.

Given that FKK girls give us almost always BBBJ or even BBBJTC or BBBJTCWS if we pay more ( ), and we (guys) surely like it this way and are ready to pay for this, what happens with the risk of those diseases that one can get through a bare blow job? Is that still safe to have it in an FKK where the same girl gave a blow job or even sawallowed from a number of fellows minutes or hours ago the same day or every day? Is that about them using some profilactic after every man or every man should consider the risk for himself? I do understand the rules of the game but am wondering whether I should be afraid from the minute I came into FKK or the risk is minimum for some reason? Thanks.

Turisto

This includes crossing the street or even just sitting on the couch watching TV.

The one way to avoid this risk totally is total abstinence.

Or you can try to minimize the risk by asking her to only do covered BJs.

I personally don't like BJs but, as usual, I am the exception to the rule. I've had my share of overly toothy ones and they hurt. They are not the main event in my sessions. I will put up with about a minute of them before I ask her to switch activities.

Its not that I don't like them. I just don't like putting my thing in a place with nearby sharp objects. Nope, I don't have a vagina dentata phobia. I have a phobia of places with real teeth.

Or you can visit clubs in Bayern where uncovered BJs are by law not allowed. Only in Bayern!

[Turisto]

Hey there!

Not sure this the right forum for such a question, but this one is of general nature and covers all of FKKs I believe. Sorry, if posted this in the wrong thread.

Given that FKK girls give us almost always BBBJ or even BBBJTC or BBBJTCWS if we pay more ( ), and we (guys) surely like it this way and are ready to pay for this, what happens with the risk of those diseases that one can get through a bare blow job? Is that still safe to have it in an FKK where the same girl gave a blow job or even sawallowed from a number of fellows minutes or hours ago the same day or every day? Is that about them using some profilactic after every man or every man should consider the risk for himself? I do understand the rules of the game but am wondering whether I should be afraid from the minute I came into FKK or the risk is minimum for some reason? Thanks.

Turisto

[Jackyo]

This forum has been an immensely rich resource for me as I prepare for my first trip-with-hobby-bonus to Germany.

I even learned to use the search after I saw a "gentle" reminder from one of the regular posters to someone asking a question for the 5, 387th time. Looked up and there it was at the top of the page. Worked, too. I easily found the answer to my question about bringing my own condoms, although I'm still not sure what to do with them while I'm there (where a long string of them as a chain around my neck? Stuff a few into the crack of my ass? I don't think I can walk around that tightly). Well, there are some things you just have to wait until you're there to learn.

But it was just coincidence that I found Jackyo's post from two years ago indexing other posts (#1833). His first links to Routard's descriptions (#1576, particularly the first part) and some tips on what girls expect (#1492) are really good. That got me to thinking how easy it is to overwhelm a thread like this with the ongoing contributions such as the pleasant conversation going on below.

Is it possible to create a true FAQ resource thread, which is open to only a few of the most obsessively well-informed contributors (Jackyo, Ieeu, Wan King, Routard, couple others. You guys know who you are)? That way, something like Jackyo's index post could be organized and kept up to date. For example, the second part of Routard's primer in #1576 is the type of thing with a very short half life.

... but just haven't had time.

Maybe if someone would pay me to do it.

Being able to use the search function is one thing but having a list like the index shows you every club ever reported on and gives you the big picture.