Monterrey - UnospongeBob's Reports

[El Cabron 007]

Call it what you want. He kicks out guys at my table when I arrive. He lets girls skip the lineup and the dance to stay with me. When I ask him about a girl, he goes to the privado entrance and yells out for her. damm. That's cool. I remember on of the waiters stood in line for me to get my little china girl but he did not wait, he made her ditch all the guys who were waiting for her to come down.

Jara makes me lool like a high roller wanna be :-) at the cost of an Inifinito level club. I feel safe when I am out alone knowing the entire club is watching out for me. that did not sounds good or right.

I pay him back once in a while with a 50 pesos tip. He always comes to see me before he heads out looking for a tip. But I keep him guessing. Like I said, I only tip him every once in a while.

I once got him something he asked me for from the US for $9 USD. He let sexy X enter the Infinito when no girls were not allowed in and she stayed for 2 hours when I only asked for 5 minutes. That's why I got him a good bottle this trip. He's smart though. There are things he refuses to allow me. I guess I sometimes ask for a bit too much.

OH... I see Jaras is in love with you too!!!

[El Cabron 007]

I want to take those two phrases and frame them:

1) or do you want to go out like Mr. Blonde- doing what you gotta do to make YOURSELF happy, all the while with your middle finger raised straight up in the air?

2)THEY are not the ones pining away and developing philosophies about what happened.

[Mill Just]

Here are just a few things I'll toss out after reading the last few posts in this section:

Cost/Reward

My first 8 months mongering in Mexico were spent just like most of the guys here, coming once a month to Morelia for mongering runs. I normally spent aprox. 10,000 pesos for airfare, hotel, food and other misc. items. Then, factor in the chicas and we're talking about a substantial amount of money dished out every month or 6 weeks. In order to get my money's worth, I would have to have either a good volume of sessions or some really great quality sessions. Otherwise, the cost/reward ratio doesn't pay off and it makes no sense to fly out to Mexico.

Here is where I understand Uno's reasoning completely. If he's not happy with what he finds, regardless of whether that lack of happiness is his own doing, then there is no reason to come back. I know if I weren't happy with either the service or the selection, there wouldn't be any reason to make the investment in coming to monger in Mexico. Believe it or not there are some pretty decent escorts in the 300-400 range in the US who are hot and provide solid service- and you get to have that service in your own city where you're sure of what you'll get.

The benefit of mongering in Mexico is in the relative low cost of the service and the promise of getting a more personalized service. Take either one of those factors out of the equation and Mexico becomes less and less of an option.

Mr. White v.s. Mr. Blonde (The Reservoir Dogs Theory)

For those of you who are fans of the movie "Reservoir Dogs," this will make sense; for those who aren't, this will be kinda opaque. Anyway, here it goes:

Mr. White had a valiant heart, he was a hero doing things that weren't very heroic (much like most of us mongers). However, his valiant heart and sense of fair play interfered with his common sense as he sheltered and defended the undercover cop, Mr. Orange, who he insisted was on the up-and-up.

Mr. Blonde, on the other hand, was an aggressive, instinctual "cabron" who just didn't give a rat's ass . His ultimate goal was to save his own ass and ultimately get what he wants. He was a 'bro" to his friends, but all business when it came to, well, business.

This is a fair analogy for us mongers as some of us are so stuck on playing the nice guy that we just simply get in our own way and prevent ourselves from getting legit, good service. We are so pretzel-tied into thinking about what's "right" that we forget what's real and where we're at. On the other hand, some of us are just pricks, in it for ourselves and rolling over whoever gets in the way of us having a good time.

The difference between the two is that Mr. White, the honor-bound anti-hero, gets killed knowing that he was betrayed. His last thought was one of feeling betrayal. Mr. Blonde, the cabron, gets killed while doing what he wanted, knowing that he wasn't anybody's ***** or patsy.

Notice, though, that both Mr. White and Mr. Blonde get killed in the end. That is also a good analogy for us because mongering is ultimately a dead-end. Only so many hotties can be screwed , only so many frustrations can be tolerated and sometimes, you just get bored. But the question here, guys, is:
Do you want to go out like Mr. White- betrayed all along and knowing that your demise was due to you taking a p-u-t-a's word as gospel; or do you want to go out like Mr. Blonde- doing what you gotta do to make YOURSELF happy, all the while with your middle finger raised straight up in the air?

A Word For My Buddy, Uno:

Stop getting in your own way. Stop stepping on your own feet. Stop living inside your own thought process. Being melancholy and deflated in a room of happy and content men is very unbecoming of a man of your skills. Snap out of it, grab the nearest w-h-o-r-e, and work out all the angst on her. This is not rocket science, don't complicate things so much. When you relax and stop being so anal about your "Hi-Bred GFE, Super Duper Fuck-o-matic" service, you just may find that happiness was within your grasp all along.

Many guys get the service you like and many have lost it afterwards. I'll share my own story later. The point is that its never as important to the chicas as it was to us. THEY are not the ones pining away and developing philosophies about what happened. THEY are on to the next one and the next one and the next one...etc. WE, the customers, should do the same.

In the long run, its our coin and all the songs in the jukebox are there for OUR amusement...

[Member #3453]

Well, the ride is coming to an end now...And, posting it here in the USB Section will prove to be a testimonial to all, a completely documented synoposis of what can and does happen routinely when dealing with these girls.

Mine is a very common story. The details of this saga have more relevance with respect to the art of mongering, and how to survive the ride, more so than most of what will be routinely read in the Monterrey Section.

I have been considering it all afternoon, the scenario and its many aspects. It occurs to me that regardless of what is, or was, really going on with respect to my "G" girl, whether you believe that she was sincere with me emotionally, or simply running a game on me, the complete story, from start to finish is of significant value for all mongers to read, especially the newbies, or those coming down to Monterrey, or anywhere else, especially on an infrequent basis.

Here is how I have resolved the issue psychologically and emotionally in my own mind. For the times I saw her, it was perfect in every way, but also a total and complete lie, not because she was intending it to be so necessarily, not because I believe she consciously targeted me emotionally, but because it has no substance beyond the moment, which was what I always said from the very beginning.

And, I also said, it has no meaning within the context of my "real" life. I still have my "real" life, and those events in Monterrey with "G" girl, while I will miss being the object of her affections, are merely a fantasy, akin to a dream state for me. The difficulty is not realizing what was lost, but realizing the depth of experience I enjoyed when I was with her, and reconciling what I do not have in my "real" life, the attentions of a 24 year old, HOT bodied stripper, who showed me the absolute deepest emotional affection I have experienced to date, over a thousand girls.

My challenge at this juncture, however, is no different than what I previously articulated many times before. Her delivery was so superb, that to attempt to revisit Monterrey with equal expectations would be to sabatage my potential for satisfaction prior to my eventual return, provided I choose to make a return.

So, I have concluded that, just as Carlos has suggested, if I were to return, I would have to start from scratch again, wipe the slate clean, and return with no expectations. It is hard to do that. One has to be very disciplined to voluntarily spend the money, knowing full well that the quality of the delivery is not going to equal what I enjoyed for a year.

That is truly the dilemma, not what so many believe was the emotional or psychological toll on me, what she may or may not have intentionally put me through. The true dilemma for me, is NOT realizing that what I had with her is gone, or a lie, etc...but it comes in knowing that the same illusion is NOT routinely available in Monterrey. I can deal with the illusion being an illusion, the lie being a lie, but when considering a return, it is very difficult to make the investment when you know that the same satisfaction level does not exist in Monterrey, at least not with the same ease at which I was formerly enjoying it. In that I am 100% sure after having taken so many of them on salida.

Additionally, it occurs to me that the disappointment of making a trip and enjoying it less is counter productive. In addition, allowing myself the hi-bred GFE by my continuing to fraternize with these girls from an emotional and psychological perspective, only serves to disappointment me in the end, and as a result, it also causes me to conclude that I would be better off never having known them to begin with.

That conclusion has me reconsidering whether to ever return. It is not a matter of loss, but a matter of emotional and psychological contentedness in the future. Ask yourself this question, when you choose to monger, do you only want sex, or is it something deeper that you seek, something that is certainly linked to sex, but not necessarily the sex in and of itself?

Because, if you are like me, you are in constant emotional and psychological danger if you do not go into it with your head totally prepared for what you might find. I was always totally intellectually prepared, but still, even after all the time spent, after all the girls I have bar fined, all over the world, I was still unprepared for the charms of my "G" girl, charms that I still believe had validity in the moment...and, that belief is what set me up. I should never have entertained that belief, whether it was legit or not.

What is important for me to consider is this. If I choose to return, the most important thing will be to complete a metamorphisis emotionally and psychologically with respect to how I play the game. To adopt the Cabron attitude is probably the very best strategy for those of us that are emotionally susceptible to the "charms" of these girls, even more so than for those that find they are not emotionally or psychologically susceptible to them. And, with most girls, I am simply not vulnerable. But, "G" girl just proved the exception.

And, literally, as I said before, I do not believe my "G" girl set out to hurt me per se. I do believe she loves me even now. I set myself up. I believe that I hurt myself by allowing her to become too close to me, by not being the Cabron to begin with. It was quite an experiment from the very beginning, and I learned a lot. It was a challenge to me, an attempt to actually romance a bar girl into an emotionally legitimate companion. I believe I accomplished that goal. But, I did so at my own ultimate demise. I hope others will learn from my errors, from my vulnerabilties, from my miscalculations, from my misguided goals and objectives, etc...

But, now I have to decide in my heart of hearts whether returning to expose myself to that environment is more detrimental to me psychologically and emotionally than to insulate myself from it by remaining in my "real" life. It occurs to me that if all I have to anticipate from some girls is more of the same, and assuming also that I modify my own expectations for quality of session, and including a transition of my own emotional and psychological vulnerabilties, then it is quite possible that my desire to participate in the hobby has been damaged as a result of my time with my "G" girl. I have to sort it out. I will get back to you all...

USB says: "And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad"

NO... Cindy #1 IS bad... and USB is in the wrong track.

USB says: "Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life."

A roller coaster you willingly and openly got on, inspite of reading the warning signs clearly marked in front of you, and a ride you refused to get off inspite our well intended advise.

And the worse part of it, is that Iam starting to belive that you think that you are the only one that has gone thru this...

I have gone thru it twice in 25 years.
Wasted suffered that too in his early visits.
You talked about a guy that wrote to you.
I had a guy writting to me too.
One of my Yahoo members.
One member from "another forum".

And I believe we are still at it... our pain is long gone.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad"

NO... Cindy #1 IS bad... and USB is in the wrong track.

USB says: "Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life."

A roller coaster you willingly and openly got on, inspite of reading the warning signs clearly marked in front of you, and a ride you refused to get off inspite our well intended advise.

And the worse part of it, is that Iam starting to belive that you think that you are the only one that has gone thru this...

I have gone thru it twice in 25 years.
Wasted suffered that too in his early visits.
You talked about a guy that wrote to you.
I had a guy writting to me too.
One of my Yahoo members.
One member from "another forum".

And I believe we are still at it... our pain is long gone.

And, in response to Precocious One's recent post in the Regular Members Section, we discussed her "novia" many times. She always told me she suspected her girlfriend, who lives in TJ, was gay, and she actually dreamed about girls on occassion, but according to her, not often. She always told me that she was not Gay...but, of course, how can you believe a bar girl, right? I think, based on what she told me about her opinions of men, that a Novia is the only option for a girl like her, so she opted for it, especially when I bar fined the other girl. Who knows...It all gives me a headache.

I am also contemplating retirement from ISG as well. The entire scenario seems to be a detriment to me in general. My knowning a girl who is possibly bi, possibly gay, wanting the companionship she can not find in a man, not particularly bi or gay sexually, IMHO, but willing to give her body in exchange what she believes she can not find in the average male with respect to affection and love, esclusivity, devotion, especially in Mexico.

Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life. And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad.

[MonterreyDude]

I didn't want an analysis of trips past.

I was pointing out that you should consider for future trips... you know, start from scratch, square one... you should try again 4 days-3 nights, no more.

Ok, lets look at the cost of 4 days....16,000 pesos, more or less, including airfare and hotel. That's if I spend on the girls on salida, and in the clubs, taking them back with me like I used to, back in the day.

See, it's the cost of travel. While it is true that a lesser number of days is less expensive in hotel cost, the airfare is the same. Really, the money isn't too much of an issue. It is more a matter of weighing the satisfaction level I can anticipate compared to my "G" girl versus the price of the trip.

Plus, what would I be returning to? None of you will believe me when I tell of my "G" girls approach to me. I can only tell you that it really has nothing to do with sex. All of you refer to her abilities...Nobody knows like I do, but the sex is NOT it. Sure, her abilities are mechanically sound, but there is something else that is immeasurable in the mix.

It occurs to me that she was compelled to get rid of me or lose her job. She told me of her boss being angry with her, and how she was bucking them, skipping work, spending her time with me, they losing money on the whole scenario. Until I bar fined the other girl, she did not care, she told me it went in one ear and out the other...she is good at that too.

No, retirement is that only way to get out of this. If I come back, I will only see her working in the bar, and it will make me sad. I have many, many years frolilcking in MTY. I know what is otherwise available, and how that would pale in comparison. Thank you for trying.

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

[Mill Just]

I'm not much of a country music fan, but this post of Uno's reminds me of an old hillbilly ballad called, "Too far gone..."

and I believe it applies here...

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

[Member #3453]

And, in response to Precocious One's recent post in the Regular Members Section, we discussed the prospect of her selecting a "novia" several times. She always told me she suspected her girlfriend, who lives in TJ, was gay, and she actually dreamed about girls on occassion, but according to her, not often. She always told me that she was not Gay...but, of course, how can you believe a bar girl, right? I think, based on what she told me about her opinions of men, I believe she finally concluded that a Novia is the only option for a girl like her, so she opted for it, especially when I bar fined the other girl.

My knowning a girl who is possibly bi, possibly gay, wanting the companionship she can not find in a man, not particularly bi or gay sexually, IMHO, but willing to give her body in exchange what she believes she can not find in the average male with respect to affection and love, exclusivity, devotion, especially in Mexico...it is all part of her diagnosis.

The realities of this psychological rats nest is more than even I can comprehend and resolve or fully understand...and, I enjoy the psychological part of it. But, suffice it to say, this psychological part of her makeup is what prompted her to give me "special" treatment, I believe.

Afterall, I treated her differently than any guy has up to that point. And when encouraged to act the Cabron with her, I was always careful not to, to perpetuate the conditions for GFE with her.

I know her well enough to believe, for what it's all worth, and it isn't worth much, that she saw in me a "devotional quality" that she could not otherwise find, that according to her, was something of paramount importance, and it had no sexual component.

Hence the long periods of time spent with me, the two of us doing all kinds of non-sexual things...But, she also delivered the sex in a blissful, and I believe, an enhanced, passionate manner as a result of my emotional commitment to her.

By my demonstrating the commitment with my own willingness to be with her long time, and to prefer her company, something that I was not acting out, it made her feel whole, whole with a man.

Now, admitedly, my devotion was a little flawed, because I still bar fined other girls. But, with someone in that state of mind, to her, I believe, ignorance was bliss. When the bar fine of the other girl occurred, and was disclosed, the entire scenario came crashing down around me.

Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life. And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad. Cindy #1 one is a healthy dose of sanity in comparion frankly. But, it doesn't change my "G" girls ability to make me happy when I was in Monterrey. Because of her devotion to me, the non-sexual things, it made all others seemingly pale in comparison.

I know most of you will not understand these issues. Many will think I am totally dilusional about her motives with me, but I was watching the real gage of relative reality the entire year, the cost versus time ratio.

I do believe I have encountered the psychological condition that I described in here, and I actually do believe it is quite common among bar girls in general, along with the ones that are actually quite lesbian. But, IMHO, I believe there are just as many that are just like my "G" girl, scorned, and looking for some alternative to their tortured psychological dilemmas.

I capitalized on my "G" girl's state of mind because I recongnized it as such, and I believe I held it together for almost a year. Keep in mind, she was with me until she talked to the girlfriend in TJ by cell phone the night after I told her of the bar fine of another girl. Right up until that very moment, she was still with me, right up until she was influenced psychologically by the novia.

Her now novia has tremendous sway over her, and I believe she has convinced my "G" girl, in light of my transgressions, that she can fulfill her needs. But, I also firmly believe that she believed for a year that I was fulfilling her needs, and as a male, something she preferred psychologically to having a novia.

There is so much more dialogue between us, stuff that I factors into my over all assessement of her diagnosis. But suffice it to say, psychology is not a science, IMHO. It is all guesses, subject to a bar girl spin being placed on everything. I am retired for good reason...and may even consider retirement from ISG to futher my own treatment, especially after trying to process this psychologically confusing scenario.

[Member #3453]

Ok, lets look at the cost of 4 days....16,000 pesos, more or less, including airfare and hotel. That's if I spend on the girls on salida, and in the clubs, taking them back with me like I used to, back in the day.

See, it's the cost of travel. While it is true that a lesser number of days is less expensive in hotel cost, the airfare is the same. Really, the money isn't too much of an issue. It is more a matter of weighing the satisfaction level I can anticipate compared to my "G" girl versus the price of the trip.

Plus, what would I be returning to? None of you will believe me when I tell of my "G" girls approach to me. I can only tell you that it really has nothing to do with sex. All of you refer to her abilities...Nobody knows like I do, but the sex is NOT it. Sure, her abilities are mechanically sound, but there is something else that is immeasurable in the mix.

It occurs to me that she was compelled to get rid of me or lose her job. She told me of her boss being angry with her, and how she was bucking them, skipping work, spending her time with me, they losing money on the whole scenario. Until I bar fined the other girl, she did not care, she told me it went in one ear and out the other...she is good at that too.

No, retirement is that only way to get out of this. If I come back, I will only see her working in the bar, and it will make me sad. I have many, many years frolilcking in MTY. I know what is otherwise available, and how that would pale in comparison. Thank you for trying.

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

How about coming down to Monterrey for fun and just that... fun.

Stop coming down for 8 days (one of the things we told you... big mistake, too much time down here).

Cut it down to Thursday thru Sunday, you are saving 4 hotel nights and 4 days of spending on girls, food, and transportation.

And voila! you'll get a fresh new perspective of coming down to Monterrey... a cheaper, faster one.
No "HI-Bred GFE", but tons of fun for you, and possibly able to establish what you were known for: having many girlfriends at the clubs.

Remember those day when you were admired by the posters here?
You even had more girls than I did!!!

Screw Hi-Bred GFE... say hello to Hi-Bred BFE (Boyfriend Experience) for them.
Make them want you to be their boyfriend...
Wasted and I were discussing that last night, that we are not getting a GFE, THEY are getting a BFE and they are just corresponding.

That is why the gang (RTW, Wasted, Mr. L, and many more visitors to Mty) can get girls faster than you now: In their delusion that the girls have that they are controling the situation, they feel they are getting what they have been looking for, a good boyfriend experience with a customer.

Your new attitude, your supposedly "cabron" attitude is anoying them into thinking that you want full control when you have to make them think they are the masters.

This has to do with you being the "phsycologist to the ho's" where you want to manipulate by force instead of letting the business flow as it is supposed too.

You used to do this in your early years as a visitor to Monterrey.

Can you do it again???

[MonterreyDude]

OH... I see Jaras is in love with you too!!!

No carlos. The usual charge is 6 to 8 privados, which I have opted to pay a few times with Crazy S and sexy X. But my last night tab was only 72 pesos. My drink and G girl's. And I watch my tab very carefully every time.

[El Cabron 007]

No carlos. The usual charge is 6 to 8 privados, which I have opted to pay a few times with Crazy S and sexy X. But my last night tab was only 72 pesos. My drink and G girl's. And I watch my tab very carefully every time.

Wasted says: "Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before."

Sorry to tell you, but they charge you for that, 3 privados... Jaras is not know for a heart that gives things for free.....

[MonterreyDude]

Wasted says: "Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before."

Sorry to tell you, but they charge you for that, 3 privados... Jaras is not know for a heart that gives things for free.....

Yes Bob, you do get it. Bt you only got part one and that is the fact that she is doing her job and playing her games.

But what about you? Why are you so surprised? I mean look at my sweet P. She's delivering her blows to me left and right and I don't know where they're coming from. Sweet P would've been the last person in Monterrey to ever suspect her of being capable of such damage. Slick and precise. I know she is not done with me. But I'll enjoy watch her schemes so long as there is no blood. I think I am proud of her for having it in her. But outchies ...

Them girls are in it for life. It's a do or die situation. They all believe they have a goal to work for 1 year, buy a house or buy a car. I met so many at the beginning of their SC career and I always ask them the same question. They had the same answer "One Year". I have yet to see one that keeps her promise to herself. I've watched them turn from little angles to pro's. Look at Tania. You would not believe what a sweetheart she was when Mr. L scavenged her from El Cielo. And look at her now. A proud walking tall Infinito queen.

So is your G girl. She now walks tall in the club. When she came to join me last night, it was right after she came down from the provados. I asked her to wash her hands and mouth before she sets with me. I jokingly asked her what she has been doing upstairs and Jarra motioned sucking and hand job. That made me sick and I told her to go wash. She obeyed just like a sweet little girl. When she sat with me, she sets like I am her last hope on earth. Very sincere in her moves and will make you feel you need to protect her. Am I right or am I right? This is only because she's, I would say, a friend. I can only imagine her giving service. I know what you're getting from her. I can see how she would make a man feel very very special. But that's what she's good at. It comes to her naturally.

I have a new girl, Crazy S, that I'm falling in love with. I gave up an Obsession threesome with 18 y/o chicas for her. Yet, when she is setting with me telling me how much she loves me, she's also touching Carlos. That bi.tch. And even sweet P; she is being dragged upstairs by some mofo and she waves for me to wait for her. What the heck? Crunchy S always makes sure I see her when she goes upstairs. She gets a thrill out of knowing I am watch her. She's still the hottest girl for me but that's how far it gets. She is so good at keeping her emotions out of the picture yet delivers mind boggling GFE. You have no idea.

I felt bad for some fat girls last night. While in the line up, the hot girls are snatched first and one or two girls are left sanding all alone on stage. The other girls don’t even make it to the stage as they are taken up again by mofo’s waiting for them to come down. But those 2 other girls are still on stage, all alone for the full half hour line up.

I was also wondering about them girls dancing. When they find out it is their turn, they seem to pout. Are they not looking forward to perform so customer can see their talent or is this part of their job that they dread?

Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before. And their was this one time, while Precocious was with me, that Tania paid me to pay for her to skip the line up. Interesting. She made me promise that I was not leaving before the line up ends. We ended up leaving together to go visit Sex X at Givenchy’s. What a welcome.

And the fun continues. I better stat packing.

Looking forward to lunch at the Prestige w/ Carlos before I head out to the airport so we can talk more about you :-)

Just just got a call from sweet P. She is coming over. 2 hours before I leave. I wonder what she’s up to.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

How about coming down to Monterrey for fun and just that... fun.

Stop coming down for 8 days (one of the things we told you... big mistake, too much time down here).

Cut it down to Thursday thru Sunday, you are saving 4 hotel nights and 4 days of spending on girls, food, and transportation.

And voila! you'll get a fresh new perspective of coming down to Monterrey... a cheaper, faster one.
No "HI-Bred GFE", but tons of fun for you, and possibly able to establish what you were known for: having many girlfriends at the clubs.

Remember those day when you were admired by the posters here?
You even had more girls than I did!!!

Screw Hi-Bred GFE... say hello to Hi-Bred BFE (Boyfriend Experience) for them.
Make them want you to be their boyfriend...
Wasted and I were discussing that last night, that we are not getting a GFE, THEY are getting a BFE and they are just corresponding.

That is why the gang (RTW, Wasted, Mr. L, and many more visitors to Mty) can get girls faster than you now: In their delusion that the girls have that they are controling the situation, they feel they are getting what they have been looking for, a good boyfriend experience with a customer.

Your new attitude, your supposedly "cabron" attitude is anoying them into thinking that you want full control when you have to make them think they are the masters.

This has to do with you being the "phsycologist to the ho's" where you want to manipulate by force instead of letting the business flow as it is supposed too.

You used to do this in your early years as a visitor to Monterrey.

Can you do it again???

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on. Did I not say that I did not believe her? She has made no attempts to contact me. I am not that hard to find were she being genuine. I don't buy her lines. And, yes, she is a ho, and she wants to be a ho, money is her motivator, but it can not be shown that money was the motivator with me, at least not then. The numbers don't lie. But, after having been disappointed by her, I am reluctant to consider returning to Monterrey, being treated in ways that make me more disappointed upon leaving, more so than when I arrived.

For those that live in Monterrey, the game is entirely different. It is not so easily played, especially my way, by the out of town visitor. WastedG plays the game differently than I, and he has different desires and expectations. Perhaps someone traveling to Monterrey from somewhere as close as Houston has a hope of playing the game more similiarly to a local, but in my case, the effort and relative expense required to play the game the way I enjoy it is monumental.

So, I choose to continue believing that she has morphed further into being something that appeals to me less at this juncture. I don't say that she was a "good" girl before, but I believe she has become significantly more mercenary than when I originally met her.

I do not believe she was running a game on me when we were together...what game??? The time commitment she made, and at the price points given, tells the story. I believe legitimate feelings for me existed, but I also simultaneously believe that she is incrementally becoming less of what I liked about her intitally, more the hardened mercenary, and that is what she desires, to expand her business...that is what she told me she wants to do, that by spending time with me, by endulging her BFE, it was damaging her business and sabotaging her future. I believe she saw me that same way I saw her, as a vessel whereby fantasy times were delivered and enjoyed.

So be it...that realization does not make me want to return, only to find a hardened, mercenary girl, one that is simply a remnant of the one I first met a year ago, one whose hi-bred GFE is now only to be compared to what is offered by every other ho in MTY. So, ok, now she appeals to the masses, and the masses will have her, fake boobs and all.

I am NOT so naive as to believe that she was anything but a ho before. She is a ho, and always has been. But, she was much more desireable before, when I was getting what I liked.

But, that having been said....I come to Precocious One's post in the "Regular Members" Section.

Precocious One,

Thank you for the update with respect to my "G" girl. First, for a girl to spend an hour on "drinks," on the floor of El Infinito is very rare. I am not sure of the significance of that, but it makes me wonder about the full content of your conversations with her.

I suspect that she is just simply attempting to maintain the facade that she is still a "sweetheart" by seeming to sentimentally reminisce about something she is reluctant to experience further because it damages her ability to do her job. I suspect she probably made her comments for effect, to project a facade that she is still sweet at heart. It was always the basis for her success, that big smile, and of course, that hot body of hers does not hurt her success either, except of course, I agree with respect to her boob job. I tried to tell her.

An hour is a very long time to spend on the floor of the club drinking in El Infinito, drinks being a less profitable venture for them. What could you have possibly talked about for an hour? She must have been hoping for a big payoff in the privados. I like the fact that you disappointed her for my sake. Thank you for your consideration.

As I said before, I think that originally there was something more between us, regardless of what the skeptics may think. I do believe, especially in the moment, that what I experienced with her was a-typical. And, with respect to the idea that it meant more to me than to her, it meant to me what I desired of my experience in MTY. It made the trips, and the huge relative travel costs, worthwhile.

I would be lying if I said I did not have sentimental feelings for her because you can not get to know someone so intimately, and I do not mean sex, over the course of an entire year, spending a lot of time with her as I did, a week a a time every three weeks, learning about her real life as I did, getting to know them on an entirely different level than strictly P4P, and not develop an attachment. But, more accurately put, I also recongnize my feelings as ones implemented for effect, ones that are necessary in order to make the hi-bred GFE more real.

Were I to seperately consider my feelings for her in the most honest light, with the stark reality of intellectual analysis, I would have to say that she represents a scenario, and that she was the vessel that facilitated the hi-bred GFE. That is very different than one actually having committed emotions that project into a meaningful and committed long term emotionally based relationship. Frankly, I believe she has the very same opinion of me as well.

Remember, I have a life at home, one that has NO room for any kind of legitimized fantasy girl. Intellectually, I realize where fantasy begins and reality ends. But, make no mistake, the experience she delivered is what made the initial trips worth while over the last year, and it is also what would make a return to MTY, even now, worth the travel cost.

But, based on my experience in MTY, I also know first hand the very low likelihood that I would find that same "G" girl scenario in another girl without first spending a lot of money to cultivate new options, both in travel cost, and in expenditures on the ground. My "G" girl was a convenience that did not require me to invest what would be required of me at this juncture to achieve the same thing. So, retirement is almost my only option.

First, the hi-bred GFE distracted her greatly from her huge compulsion to earn money, something she claims she was not able to do with me in the picture, distracting her in many ways. When WastedG was talking to her, she was simply telling him what sounded good, remembering how she represented her feelings before, and attempting to maintain a facade that still makes her seem "sweet," when in reality, as MJ and others are aware, not even having met her, her true personality is one of manipulation and positioning, where the real tactic behind the facade of sweetness is to appeal to her clients for financial gain. That is what she told me she wants and needs to do at this juncture, and I assume she is focused along those lines now, leaving her folly with me behind.

She has a job to do. That is her goal, one that she has told me she has now at this juncture, to play the Cabroness. I don't fault her for using her talents to achieve her goal. That was, and would be fine with me were she to continue to turn on the charm to me and deliver the goods as before, but she tells me she can not do it with me, that there is something more to it. She makes no attempts to cultivate me as a client. But, it simultaneously occurs to me that if all I would have to look forward to is the same attitude from her that is exhibited by all the other girls in MTY, then there is no reason to return.

I got what I desired for a year, and it was great. But, now, her motivations with respect to me are changed, probably because she can not move forward on the one hand, and have the sentimentality we experienced on the other. Were she disengenuous in her feelings, she would be sending me messages, attempting to cultivate me for a bigger payoff. I have had no contact with her. She makes no attempts to cultivate me for any future payoff. She can not mix the two, the ho-ing and the genuiune BFE, and she remains consistent with what she told me initially with respect to her decision to break up.

Intellectually speaking, she has lost my attention because she does not know how to reinvent the facade, how to renew her appeal to me, nor do I believe she wants to, or believes she can afford to do so financially. So, at this stage, she fails to deliver the goods. Why would I return for such disappointment. So, I will remain retired, probably happier in the long run...

[El Cabron 007]

Yes Bob, you do get it. Bt you only got part one and that is the fact that she is doing her job and playing her games.

But what about you? Why are you so surprised? I mean look at my sweet P. She's delivering her blows to me left and right and I don't know where they're coming from. Sweet P would've been the last person in Monterrey to ever suspect her of being capable of such damage. Slick and precise. I know she is not done with me. But I'll enjoy watch her schemes so long as there is no blood. I think I am proud of her for having it in her. But outchies ...

Them girls are in it for life. It's a do or die situation. They all believe they have a goal to work for 1 year, buy a house or buy a car. I met so many at the beginning of their SC career and I always ask them the same question. They had the same answer "One Year". I have yet to see one that keeps her promise to herself. I've watched them turn from little angles to pro's. Look at Tania. You would not believe what a sweetheart she was when Mr. L scavenged her from El Cielo. And look at her now. A proud walking tall Infinito queen.

So is your G girl. She now walks tall in the club. When she came to join me last night, it was right after she came down from the provados. I asked her to wash her hands and mouth before she sets with me. I jokingly asked her what she has been doing upstairs and Jarra motioned sucking and hand job. That made me sick and I told her to go wash. She obeyed just like a sweet little girl. When she sat with me, she sets like I am her last hope on earth. Very sincere in her moves and will make you feel you need to protect her. Am I right or am I right? This is only because she's, I would say, a friend. I can only imagine her giving service. I know what you're getting from her. I can see how she would make a man feel very very special. But that's what she's good at. It comes to her naturally.

I have a new girl, Crazy S, that I'm falling in love with. I gave up an Obsession threesome with 18 y/o chicas for her. Yet, when she is setting with me telling me how much she loves me, she's also touching Carlos. That bi.tch. And even sweet P; she is being dragged upstairs by some mofo and she waves for me to wait for her. What the heck? Crunchy S always makes sure I see her when she goes upstairs. She gets a thrill out of knowing I am watch her. She's still the hottest girl for me but that's how far it gets. She is so good at keeping her emotions out of the picture yet delivers mind boggling GFE. You have no idea.

I felt bad for some fat girls last night. While in the line up, the hot girls are snatched first and one or two girls are left sanding all alone on stage. The other girls don’t even make it to the stage as they are taken up again by mofo’s waiting for them to come down. But those 2 other girls are still on stage, all alone for the full half hour line up.

I was also wondering about them girls dancing. When they find out it is their turn, they seem to pout. Are they not looking forward to perform so customer can see their talent or is this part of their job that they dread?

Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before. And their was this one time, while Precocious was with me, that Tania paid me to pay for her to skip the line up. Interesting. She made me promise that I was not leaving before the line up ends. We ended up leaving together to go visit Sex X at Givenchy’s. What a welcome.

And the fun continues. I better stat packing.

Looking forward to lunch at the Prestige w/ Carlos before I head out to the airport so we can talk more about you :-)

Just just got a call from sweet P. She is coming over. 2 hours before I leave. I wonder what she’s up to.

Wasted

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on.

[Member #3453]

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on. Did I not say that I did not believe her? She has made no attempts to contact me. I am not that hard to find were she being genuine. I don't buy her lines. And, yes, she is a ho, and she wants to be a ho, money is her motivator, but it can not be shown that money was the motivator with me, at least not then. The numbers don't lie. But, after having been disappointed by her, I am reluctant to consider returning to Monterrey, being treated in ways that make me more disappointed upon leaving, more so than when I arrived.

For those that live in Monterrey, the game is entirely different. It is not so easily played, especially my way, by the out of town visitor. WastedG plays the game differently than I, and he has different desires and expectations. Perhaps someone traveling to Monterrey from somewhere as close as Houston has a hope of playing the game more similiarly to a local, but in my case, the effort and relative expense required to play the game the way I enjoy it is monumental.

So, I choose to continue believing that she has morphed further into being something that appeals to me less at this juncture. I don't say that she was a "good" girl before, but I believe she has become significantly more mercenary than when I originally met her.

I do not believe she was running a game on me when we were together...what game??? The time commitment she made, and at the price points given, tells the story. I believe legitimate feelings for me existed, but I also simultaneously believe that she is incrementally becoming less of what I liked about her intitally, more the hardened mercenary, and that is what she desires, to expand her business...that is what she told me she wants to do, that by spending time with me, by endulging her BFE, it was damaging her business and sabotaging her future. I believe she saw me that same way I saw her, as a vessel whereby fantasy times were delivered and enjoyed.

So be it...that realization does not make me want to return, only to find a hardened, mercenary girl, one that is simply a remnant of the one I first met a year ago, one whose hi-bred GFE is now only to be compared to what is offered by every other ho in MTY. So, ok, now she appeals to the masses, and the masses will have her, fake boobs and all.

I am NOT so naive as to believe that she was anything but a ho before. She is a ho, and always has been. But, she was much more desireable before, when I was getting what I liked.

But, that having been said....I come to Precocious One's post in the "Regular Members" Section.

Precocious One,

Thank you for the update with respect to my "G" girl. First, for a girl to spend an hour on "drinks," on the floor of El Infinito is very rare. I am not sure of the significance of that, but it makes me wonder about the full content of your conversations with her.

I suspect that she is just simply attempting to maintain the facade that she is still a "sweetheart" by seeming to sentimentally reminisce about something she is reluctant to experience further because it damages her ability to do her job. I suspect she probably made her comments for effect, to project a facade that she is still sweet at heart. It was always the basis for her success, that big smile, and of course, that hot body of hers does not hurt her success either, except of course, I agree with respect to her boob job. I tried to tell her.

An hour is a very long time to spend on the floor of the club drinking in El Infinito, drinks being a less profitable venture for them. What could you have possibly talked about for an hour? She must have been hoping for a big payoff in the privados. I like the fact that you disappointed her for my sake. Thank you for your consideration.

As I said before, I think that originally there was something more between us, regardless of what the skeptics may think. I do believe, especially in the moment, that what I experienced with her was a-typical. And, with respect to the idea that it meant more to me than to her, it meant to me what I desired of my experience in MTY. It made the trips, and the huge relative travel costs, worthwhile.

I would be lying if I said I did not have sentimental feelings for her because you can not get to know someone so intimately, and I do not mean sex, over the course of an entire year, spending a lot of time with her as I did, a week a a time every three weeks, learning about her real life as I did, getting to know them on an entirely different level than strictly P4P, and not develop an attachment. But, more accurately put, I also recongnize my feelings as ones implemented for effect, ones that are necessary in order to make the hi-bred GFE more real.

Were I to seperately consider my feelings for her in the most honest light, with the stark reality of intellectual analysis, I would have to say that she represents a scenario, and that she was the vessel that facilitated the hi-bred GFE. That is very different than one actually having committed emotions that project into a meaningful and committed long term emotionally based relationship. Frankly, I believe she has the very same opinion of me as well.

Remember, I have a life at home, one that has NO room for any kind of legitimized fantasy girl. Intellectually, I realize where fantasy begins and reality ends. But, make no mistake, the experience she delivered is what made the initial trips worth while over the last year, and it is also what would make a return to MTY, even now, worth the travel cost.

But, based on my experience in MTY, I also know first hand the very low likelihood that I would find that same "G" girl scenario in another girl without first spending a lot of money to cultivate new options, both in travel cost, and in expenditures on the ground. My "G" girl was a convenience that did not require me to invest what would be required of me at this juncture to achieve the same thing. So, retirement is almost my only option.

First, the hi-bred GFE distracted her greatly from her huge compulsion to earn money, something she claims she was not able to do with me in the picture, distracting her in many ways. When WastedG was talking to her, she was simply telling him what sounded good, remembering how she represented her feelings before, and attempting to maintain a facade that still makes her seem "sweet," when in reality, as MJ and others are aware, not even having met her, her true personality is one of manipulation and positioning, where the real tactic behind the facade of sweetness is to appeal to her clients for financial gain. That is what she told me she wants and needs to do at this juncture, and I assume she is focused along those lines now, leaving her folly with me behind.

She has a job to do. That is her goal, one that she has told me she has now at this juncture, to play the Cabroness. I don't fault her for using her talents to achieve her goal. That was, and would be fine with me were she to continue to turn on the charm to me and deliver the goods as before, but she tells me she can not do it with me, that there is something more to it. She makes no attempts to cultivate me as a client. But, it simultaneously occurs to me that if all I would have to look forward to is the same attitude from her that is exhibited by all the other girls in MTY, then there is no reason to return.

I got what I desired for a year, and it was great. But, now, her motivations with respect to me are changed, probably because she can not move forward on the one hand, and have the sentimentality we experienced on the other. Were she disengenuous in her feelings, she would be sending me messages, attempting to cultivate me for a bigger payoff. I have had no contact with her. She makes no attempts to cultivate me for any future payoff. She can not mix the two, the ho-ing and the genuiune BFE, and she remains consistent with what she told me initially with respect to her decision to break up.

Intellectually speaking, she has lost my attention because she does not know how to reinvent the facade, how to renew her appeal to me, nor do I believe she wants to, or believes she can afford to do so financially. So, at this stage, she fails to deliver the goods. Why would I return for such disappointment. So, I will remain retired, probably happier in the long run...

Thank you MJ, I was wondering how long it would take for you and/or Carlos to catch on. You did well.

I chose to report the exact conversation rather than simply say to call her for a reason. I did not want to put any words into what she/I said. I wanted to be like th Fox channle. "We report - you decide" ha ha - another BS'ers.

Your observation is what I meant to get out of one of you guys. How do I tell Bob that what he was getting is being offered for all at the lousy cost of 350 pesos?

The club is still talking about my marathon last night. it seems like everyone was aware of we spending the entire evening upstairs that sweet P came back today saying she'll get back to me for spending 92 minutes with Crunchy S. Heck, I was bored.

I noticed again that out of the all dudes in the club, I am the only one who gets 'hola's from the girls on stage. Some wave, other call out my name. And when Juan and Roxana were there, the yelled out "CABRON" for all to hear. Kinda uncomfortable when everyone in the club turn their head to see who the "Cabron" was. today one asked for a smoke. I hated to walk up to the stage. I never do. I usually wave them down from my seat and come to me. Not being arrogant but honestly ashamed to approach the stage.

Wasted