Monterrey - UnospongeBob's Reports

[MonterreyDude]

I agree... one thing is said, but what is done is completly different.

I still insist that USB must come down and start from scratch, reinvent himself, examine where he lost track of things and control of the situation.

I hope this is true: "However, I promise to be less connected to her real life.".... cause that was your Winter of your discontent.


USB says: "I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at."

If there is money involved, of course she will be available.


USB says: "If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops,"

If there is money involved, of course she will put out all the stops.


USB says: "and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere."

You are the one with the money, no need to pre-establish anything.

Going back to the "reinventing-starting from scratch" part... you can start by eradicating from your vocabulary the word "compansate" and substitute it for "paying".
You know, as in "I didn't pay for her services, I compensated her abscence from the club".
As in now am going to pay fair and square for her time with me and not pressure her to be with me when I compensated her for company.

This are the things to be taken in mind when I say "reinvent".

What's this? Where have I heard this before? Oh wait, those are the exact advices we have lost our voices trying to get through Bob's head.

How could it be?

[El Cabron 007]

What's this? Where have I heard this before? Oh wait, those are the exact advices we have lost our voices trying to get through Bob's head.

How could it be?

However, I promise to be less connected to her real life. I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at. If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops, and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere.

[Member #3453]

Mill... yes, seems no city is the same.
You should come up here, now that we can't go down to Morelia.

NOoooooo!!! Now he has me worried... He, and about a thousand others.

[MonterreyDude]

Mill... yes, seems no city is the same.
You should come up here, now that we can't go down to Morelia.

Carlos,

Then the game IS quite different in MTY than in Morelia. Here, going to my favorite MP is like stepping into a small social club where we sit, eat and chat...and then fuck, of course. Not a cold, impersonal atmosphere at all.

Same goes with escorts here who are often (obviously, not always) very personable and warm and willing to go that extra mile while their stripper counterparts have to be worked on and worked on ($$$) to get that kind of service.

I guess I gravitate towards the MP chicas and Escorts here in Morelia because their only motivation is to get you back as a customer. There are no drinks to buy or privados to book- their only tool to get you to come back to them is good sex...So, once they get lazy, they make no money...

But I have been to some MPs in other areas that are very impersonal and mechanical and, I agree, they do nothing for me. Although I'll still get off, the act is more like masturbation than real sex.

[Member #3453]

Official Uno Stats:

Number of mentions of his "G" girl in Uno's last post: 33


Can I suggest that we rename this thread to: "The My Darling "G" Girl, Who Really Loves Me, Thread" or simply, "G" Girl, "G" Girl, "G" Girl?

All this talk, Uno, Is making me want to get to know her...Hmmmm...I just might schedule a trip up Norte to sample her wares for myself....I just can't stop thinking about her, G..............G..............G.............G...................

I know, I know...it's fuckin' ridiculous But, what can I say...Don't ask.

[Mill Just]

Carlos,

Then the game IS quite different in MTY than in Morelia. Here, going to my favorite MP is like stepping into a small social club where we sit, eat and chat...and then fuck, of course. Not a cold, impersonal atmosphere at all.

Same goes with escorts here who are often (obviously, not always) very personable and warm and willing to go that extra mile while their stripper counterparts have to be worked on and worked on ($$$) to get that kind of service.

I guess I gravitate towards the MP chicas and Escorts here in Morelia because their only motivation is to get you back as a customer. There are no drinks to buy or privados to book- their only tool to get you to come back to them is good sex...So, once they get lazy, they make no money...

But I have been to some MPs in other areas that are very impersonal and mechanical and, I agree, they do nothing for me. Although I'll still get off, the act is more like masturbation than real sex.

Mill...
I don't like MPs cause they are unpersonal, detached, cold (for starters, the girls don't even ask you name).
I totally respect your preferences Mill, but to be honest, in this kind of situation, even if the girl is naked, spread open for me, I won't be able to get it up.
I can only enjoy my relationship with another girl only if there is a liason with her, empathy, whatever you want to call it.

There is one thing I've been telling USB for a long time, that I can tell you in a glance if the girl is good or not (90% guarantee), and I can get that girl to eat from my hand (50% of the time) in a couple of visits.
Hell... am 49 and I have 18 year olds surprised that they like a guy 30 years their senior.
I can't do this at MPs... not at all.
Same goes for escorts.

Summing it up: I prefer my adventures to be up close and a personal, not intimate.
I do not let my priorities get mess up and being the girl business, a business, I leave everything at the workplace, I do not take anything to my home.

[MonterreyDude]

USB say: "G" and me are back together already...courtesy of telcel and about 2 hours of..."

Oh my God...
So we are back on the ride again, back on square one and on the wrong side of the track.

Mark my words, remember USB what I told you once of my former girlfriends, the ones I broke with and then after a while come back again: It is not the same then, as is now.

But then again, then and now, you never paid heed to advice.

[MonterreyDude]

Mill...
I don't like MPs cause they are unpersonal, detached, cold (for starters, the girls don't even ask you name).
I totally respect your preferences Mill, but to be honest, in this kind of situation, even if the girl is naked, spread open for me, I won't be able to get it up.
I can only enjoy my relationship with another girl only if there is a liason with her, empathy, whatever you want to call it.

There is one thing I've been telling USB for a long time, that I can tell you in a glance if the girl is good or not (90% guarantee), and I can get that girl to eat from my hand (50% of the time) in a couple of visits.
Hell... am 49 and I have 18 year olds surprised that they like a guy 30 years their senior.
I can't do this at MPs... not at all.
Same goes for escorts.

Summing it up: I prefer my adventures to be up close and a personal, not intimate.
I do not let my priorities get mess up and being the girl business, a business, I leave everything at the workplace, I do not take anything to my home.

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny?

[Mill Just]

Official Uno Stats:

Number of mentions of his "G" girl in Uno's last post: 33


Can I suggest that we rename this thread to: "The My Darling "G" Girl, Who Really Loves Me, Thread" or simply, "G" Girl, "G" Girl, "G" Girl?

All this talk, Uno, Is making me want to get to know her...Hmmmm...I just might schedule a trip up Norte to sample her wares for myself....I just can't stop thinking about her, G..............G..............G.............G...................

[Member #3453]

And, thank you for the change in topic...I was running out of material, if you can believe it. But, unfortunately, I believe your theory about escorts is more relevant to my scenario with my "G" girl than perhaps you might fully realize. For that reason, please endulge me a little further to explain. But first...

"G" and me are back together already...courtesy of telcel and about 2 hours of:

G: "tu eres enfadado conmigo?",
G: "lo siento,"
G: "te extrano,"
G: "te amo mucho USB,"
G: "cuando regresas?
USB: "nunca, si no puede ver me."
G: "necisito cosas egual antes,"
G: "tu eres my angel, verdad, USB,"
G: "te quiero, USB,"
G: "muy triste todo semana,"
G: "necisito cosas egual antes," etc...

and, finally...

G: "did you go to Morelia, USB?"

Ahhhh, so, she is worried that I went to Morelia and found her substitute. See Mill, I told her that I was going to Morelia to visit you, and that you had told me about all the "home grown" girls I would find there, the girls similiar to her, flaca morenas with sweet personalities. I told her I was going with Carlos, and we were going to visit the clubs. Of course, I bailed out on you, reluctantly, and with remorse, but she never realized that I didn't go because she told me to cut off all communication with her, and I never spoke to her again. But, she was apparently worried about what I might have been able to find to replace her, because I literally had NO contact with her for several weeks, mainly because she said she thought we should not see each other again, and that she would not speak to me. I guess absence made the heart grow fonder, and the wallet less cushy, because she is "aspeakin' to me now," mucho tiempo, and mucho carino, y mucho amor, y mucho sexo tanbien.

Mill, you'll be amused to learn that I built up the angle that you had told me how those home grown Morelianas are so sweet, country girls just like my "G" girl, and that they are HOT, HOT, HOT. So, prior to our breaking up, I just told her I was going to Morelia to accompany Carlos', that he and I wanted to meet you because we had not met face to face, but that I would be good. Obviously, she believed otherwise...

It occured to me that she was softening up upon my hearing what she had to say to WastedG upon his visit, telling him that her phone did not work, asking 'how will he contact me?" etc :-(((

I know you guys are skeptical of her true feelings, and so am I...but, I don't care...I just want what I like. However, there is much more to this than a mere few words ISG can convey accurately. But, bottom line...

I have my escort lined up for next time. Aren't you all thrilled??? I know I am!!! But, don't read too much into it...I just like my kind of "scenario," and I am thrilled to have it back. As I formerly commented, I miss "her" per se, and not exclusively for the sex, but for a very wide variety of "people" reasons. She is intellectually interesting to me...imagine that, an uneducated, stripper from a lower end Mexican bar. Wonders never cease...

However, I promise to be less connected to her real life. I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at. If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops, and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere.

I am not going to engage in a relationship of exclusivity where I can not see my girlfriend, regardless of whether she is a ho or not. We have much to discuss in order to reach the final details, but I want what I want, and I must have what I want to justify the cost of returning. Ultimately, it will be up to her. But, I can give her the "feelings" she is looking for, the exclusivity, the "fiel a ti," and willingly. It will all depend on her ability to take care of me. I know what I want, how I want it, and I will make my decisions tactically based on whether I am getting it...it is really quite simple really. But, regardless, my tactics, at least with her, are honed sufficiently now that I know better than to fuck it up like I did last time. No more paying for salidas unless the girl is frickin' J-Lo incarnate, 1000 pesos for 12 hours, or todo la noche, and my "G" girl is off on some other tangent. And, I will never be honest with her again... stupidly telling her what indiscretions I may have made out of precociousness in an effort to salvage an already suspect quasi "relationship."

This is not an attempt to hi-jack your change in the subject Mill. I will get back to the subject at hand...But, I had to interject the turn of events, and also to illustrate that I believe what I have is most definitely an escort type of experience going on with my "G" girl.

This means that upon my return, I will engage in the same kind of scenario as before, determine her availablility, take advantage of the perks associated with having my relationship with her, and if the perks are not as prolific, or there are disappointments in comparison to other times, or she is unavailable, I will go to plan B, access my other options, maybe give the escort scene a try, or maybe run this all simultaneously, etc...time permitting.

But, one thing I know, "G" wants to maintain the facade that we are committed, and that she is exclusive. I can play my role quite well, and I am especially good at it now after having already fucked it up once. I will not make the mistake twice, not, that is, unless I am wanting a change altogether, which I do not anticipate at this juncture.

So, back to the new issue at hand, with some references to "G" to illustrate my points.

I have to agree with you Mill with respect to the strip clubs. It occurs to me that over the past year, I have, for all intents and purposed, adopted the same opinion of them, hence my "G" girl scenario developed as a result of myh having those same opinions. I won't rehash your conclusions, other than to say you are very accurate with respect to your conclusions about the hassles associated with clubbing.

I believe that over the past year, I was truly engaged in more of an escort type of arrangement, and I had certainly less time in the clubs as a result of spending time with my "G" girl. By doing so, I believe that I was consciously avoiding all the games you referred to in your former post, and consciously engaged in a completely different kind of experience than working the strip clubs. The financial advantages of my "escort" arrangement with "G" were so far superior to the club girl experience that it just serves to establish that your theory about an escort kind of experience versus a club girl experience is right-on. What I don't know is whether the actual escort scene in Monterrey could have yielded the same "escort" experience I am achieving with "G," in more than her single circumstance, we all realizing too of course that she is actually a club girl, keeping in mind that what I had, and apparently have again with her, is not typical of the routine club girl salida experience.

I will, upon my return, engage in the same kinds of behaviors, unless things sour again. I really like (love) my "G" girl, but it's the "scenario" that has me hooked. I am in love with the scenario, with the illusion of "love" from a real girlfriend. She delivers that in a much different way than most will encounter the strip club girls on salida. WastedG and Carlos get their sessions delivered from their respective girls in much the same way, with the GFE I enjoy. They choose to work the field, seeing a wider range of girls, but in my circumstance, due to several factors, one being that my "G" girl responds best to exclusivity, and the second being that I prefer the hi-bred escort experience versus working a number of girls for hi-bred escort sessions. My "G" girl, in order for her to deliver the emotion, requires me to maintain the illusion of exclusivity and commitment.

What I experience with "G" is so much more of the typically USA defined escort quality of experience. So much so, that I really hesitate to go with other options from the clubs. It's just that I get so much more from the "escort" arrangement, from my "G" girl. I know that "G" is not really an escort per se, but we interact so much differently than you would normally interact with just a club girl. Plus, I get her attentions for long-time, and at such comparatively bargain basement prices that it sounds like I am getting very similiar experiences to what you have been able to cultivate for yourself there in Morelia, where you are able to obtain freebies, long-time if you want it, all for the same price, or even a substantial discount compared to what all the other working stiffs have to pay from the club girls on salida. Plus, I have made a friend of her, just as you described getting close to you escort friends. As you say, the realities are little sobering to say the least, but it's an entirely different kind of experience than limiting your activities to MPs, in club services, etc...WastedG and Carlos both know what I am talking about, the additional range of intimacy and friendship we enjoy is far beyond what is normally experienced in the club setting.

However, in my particular circumstances, my "G" girl's delivery is affected adversely if I opening stray from her, and honestly, she is there with me most of the time anyway, just like a real girlfriend, voluntarily. So, even my option to bar fine other girls or engage in other activities, except for banter in the clubs, is limited by her making herself always available to me.

Last night, in talking to her, she wants to resume where we left off, which means that, in return for her time commitments, and her apparent desire to maintain what she had with me formerly, I will be very careful in the future about offending her. Truthfully, the escort route is probably the better seperate option for me in Monterrey under these newly developing circumstances because I literally do NOT want to fuck up what I have with my "G" girl, and on the off chance that she actually feels something legit, I do not want to hurt her either.

After talking to her last night, I realize that whatever I did to offend her last month has passed, but I am not so dumb as to fuck it up twice. Only time will tell if what we formerly had returns to normal when I return, but I got the distinct impression that she wants whatever we had back again, and that upon my return, we will resume where we left off.

So, for me, were I also able to cultivate the same kind of "escort" experience as I have with "G," I would always choose to do so. But, to do otherwise by playing the field openly, would jeapardize what I have with "G." She is very possessive of her "relationship" with me, whatever and however you define that. And, regardless of whether anyone wishes to describe it as a legitimate relationship or not, the jealousy factor with respect to my conducting myself any way other than as "her" quasi, fantasy-land, novio, or if you wish, her looyal client, her lap-dog patron, one that puts her on a pedastal of exclusivity, and for whatever psychological reasons that is important to her, etc...for me to do anything otherwise sabotages the dynamic I have with her. So, I prefer to maintain the dynamic that yields what I like, versus what other options I generally find available to me in the clubs. Plus, "G" and I have a familiarity between us now after so long that it transcends an estranged P4P kind of thing. It is much more akin to a having a familiar, regular, provider that functions as an escort.

Everybody asks, "Where did USB go wrong?" "How did USB get off course over the last year?" I believe that I adopted your same opinions of the strip clubs MJ, even though I do enjoy engaging in banter with some of the girls in the clubs. Engaging in banter in the clubs is an entirely different acitivity than actually having them back to your place. I actually like doing both, but they are seperate activites, neither of which is necessarily dependent on the other tactically until you have identified and targeted a girl for salida purposes.

That's why, for me, the whole schtick of the cookies, the dulces, etc...is something that really doesn't affect me per se, if in fact one assumes it's a detriment to one's ability to get girls on salida. As you know, I do not subscribe to the idea that my schtick has any detrimental affect on that, because I literally seek a very specific kind of result on salida from a relatively finite range of selection in the clubs anyway.

If I choose to engage in the schtick, it is for my amusement in the clubs, and not to achieve any particular objective to find girls that will go on salida with me. Those girls, I already have targeted, and I work them differently than just the girls that I banter with in some of the clubs. I have many, many options in girls to select from with respect to salidas, many more than mis amigos are aware of. But, when it comes to my schtick, I engage in it for fun in and of itself, and not necessarily as a tactic, trying to impress or anything like that.

This is paricularly true of the high end clubs like Obsession and Prestige, where the girls are much more difficult to get out of the clubs and to have them function as escorts. That distinction is primarily because they are usually worried about being found out by their management, so sessions are limited to the hotel rooms, and they are rarely interested in being seen at the movies, at dinner, at the mall, etc...

Most of my effort with regard to my schtick is in these high end clubs, and not so much in the lower end bars, at least not early on. Lately, I have taken the schtick on the road, and branched out more. But, Initially it was a schtick perpetrated in the high-end bars, specifically Obsession and Prestige, strictly for fun and my own personal amusement, primarily because I had very low expectations for any kind of action on salida from that selection of girls.

This is particularly the problem I am currently experiencing with a particular girl at Prestige, where she is living in club owned apartments, apparently accepting from the them whatever perks are associated with living in their club owned facilities, and as a result, her activities are closely monitored by management, etc...So, getting her out of the bar to begin with, never mind the wanting an "escort" kind of arrangement, is really hard enough to accomplish, plus I want more from her. I want the GFE, escort kind of scenario as one of my "G" girl backups.

But, when it comes right down to actually having a girl at my side, I find the girls from the strip clubs to be expensive with respect to time spent, and generally they have been hit and miss with respect to quality of sessions. When I found a girl in the clubs that satisfied my preferences, my "G" girl, I latched onto her, almost turning her into my own personal escort.

Of course, I also realize that my preferences are a little different than my amigos. They all seem pretty satisfied with their short-time session quality from the girls, and I have no doubt that their girls deliver well. And, don't misunderstand, I have other girls in the strip clubs that are fun, good short-time session quality, available, etc...But, what they offer is not the same type of experience as my "G" girl, and escort experience.

But, I believe that what I seek from my girlfriends most of the time is truly more of the escort kind of experience. Certainly, when you define the word "escort" it hints of a much broader, possibly even deeper, more meaningful kind of encounter than just a sexual session from a strip club girl. Typically, the SC girl or MP girl encounter is a worldwind kind of encounter, 45 minutes to 1.5 hours and they are out the door, and that's if you're lucky and they don't short change you on time. The escort kind of experience, due to it's very nature, contradicts much of the "larceny" that seems to follow the MP and SC girl typical behaviors. I believe that is really the crux of your argument with respect to the escort services, and I agree with you.

Certainly, that is the case in the US, where the escort is expected to have the ability to function as not only a sexual partner, but also as a companion, engaging in other activites with the "John," and with some affection (ie:ala Pretty Woman), at least well acted out, some personality and charm, and even possibly some sincerity over time, she having an eye to future sessions of a similiar nature, with the intent of establishing a client base of familiar, regular, predictable, financially successful, safe patrons. Certainly the status of an escort is typically considered, at least in the US, to be much higher in the pecking order than a bar fly, street walker, MP girl, or stripper, etc..

I believe the escort is certainly a safer business for a girl to engage in than to be available otherwise to random clients visiting the strip clubs, such as what is engaged in primarily in the strip clubs on salida, although going on actual salida is quite rare for most strip club girls. They simply make more money by remaining in the clubs, and frankly, most of the patrons in those clubs do not spend that kind of money when they can screw the girls in the privados for 400 pesos. We visiting Gringos are quite the exception, and we get a lot of attention as a result.

I am primarily referring to the lower to medium level strip clubs, and not with respect to the high end clubs, where I believe some of the girls may actual cultivate clients for activities outside the club, and usually at a significantly higher cost to the client. However, the high-end strip club management will come down very hard on the girls if they are caught servicing clients outside the clubs, so the girl have to be very discrete if they take on a regular "escort" kind of client from the high end strip clubs.

For those reasons, I believe that while some of the girls have their "special" clients, the escort kind of experience is relatively rare from the high end strip club girls. Plus, a very high percentage of high end strip club girls seem to be vestal virgins, and they do not engage in activities outside the clubs at all. Even the lower end strip club girl selection is seemingly becoming less and less available with respect to seeing guys outside the clubs. There seems to be many more vestal virgins in the bars over the last two years.

In my interviewing process over the past two years, it seems that a higher percentage of the girls in the clubs are limiting their acitivies strictly to in-club activities, and many have opted not to engage in activities outside the bars. For some, it's because they are concerned that unaware friends and family will see them out and about with a client, and for others of them, it's just not as profitable for them as remaining in the clubs where they can scam their clients with drinks and privados, easily running a game on many of the, and many of which are half drunk.

The truth is, in Monterrey, the escort business, while I haven't really tested it out myself, I have always been of the impression that it's not really something I would be satisfied with. I am under the impression that I wouldn't like the escorts themselves. I've always heard that the relative quality of selection compared to the clubs, due to the ability of girls to make better money working the clubs, make more money merely selling drinks and engaging in activities in the privados, affects the quality of selection, that it is comparatively substandard, as is the selection in the MPs is as well.

I should really test the "escort" venue myself directly by trying a few of the escort services, if nothing else but as an experiment to determine the validity of my biased conclusions, not having directly sampled it in the past. However, with respect to the one thing I believe the clubs have over an escort service is the ability to choose based on appearance, and be relatively certain of what you are getting, versus having the girl sent to you, sight unseen, body quality virtually undetected until you are fully committed, etc...

However, based on your reports of the escort scene in Morelia MJ, and according to Carlos' recommendations to me in the past with respect to escorts in Monterrey, and considering that I trust the assessments from both of you very much, the escort business seems like it would not be as viable in Monterrey as you are finding in Morelia. But, as I said, I need to give a try just to verify the realities in Monterrey first before passing final judgement from me personally.

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny?

[Mill Just]

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny?

[Member #3453]

whatever she has told me lies or no lies, truth or no truth stay in that parallel universe and only what I want to be true, my truth is the one that ruels.

Assuming that we also realize that our respective truths, while convenient for us to each respectively believe, may not be accurate, especially when we don't either of us know "the" truth. That is the point in not believing them to begin with.

You see, we agree...But, honestly, from my perspective, I would much more prefer to know "the" truth, not hers, and not my own. Knowing the actual truth is the preferable condition from which to make good tactical decisions.

And, as you said, since we usually can not know "the" truth, and since their truth is so suspect, and our truth is sometimes patronizingly "convenient," the actual truth escapes us entirely.

You mentioned liking to function in the parallel universe. It occurs to me that sometimes the truth runs in a parallel universe, no right, and no wrong... Tell me, in the following, which is the truth???

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

Not that I disagree... you still don't get the point: I don't care for her truth, I care for mine. The girl can tell me a lot of things inside the club influence, but once away from her, my reality prevails.
So whatever she has told me lies or no lies, truth or no truth stay in that parallel universe and only what I want to be true, my truth is the one that ruels.

Carlos says: "I agree with Wasted....The only confused person that still hasn't cut his ties with the past is you USB. You are acting now Mexican Macho: She doesn't like me... she must be a lesbian. And this is how you are starting the game from scratch???"

There is no "must be a lesbian" to it with respect to whether I believe she is or isn't, or accordinly to whether she wants to be with me. WastedG disputed the facts, then he asked me a specific question in his post when he asked "is she tho?," meaning is she really bi or lesbian. I simply clarified for him in my reply post. I did not say she was a lesbian...fact is, I do not think she is, even when she makes direct referenced to having a novia. I think she is totally confused. Go ask her yourself what she now prefers. Who knows, you might be able to get a threesome with the two of them. That will be my first question of her if I return. I have never met the novia. She tells me the novia is pretty HOT. Call that anlaysis if you want...I call it potentially fun.

Carlos Says: "You are still analyzing. Still parting from the wrong premise, that you can analize the girls. Now, right now, we are up to the point when I met you first: Cindy #1. You are acting exactly the same and writing the same things you said of her, trying to analyze the unanalyzable. You ar trying to fathom what is impossible to understand and you are going round and round and round with the same things."

No, I simply replied to WastedG's post with my own analysis. He posted his analysis, and I posted mine. What you read in my replies were simply conversational, and should not be construed as my obsessing about anything. Frankly, anyone reading the USB Section is going to assume I obsess about everything, right? The things in my reply posts are the things I did not formerly post to demonstrate that their is a "tip of the iceburg" to everything going on in their mixed up, crazy lives. I agree with you. The girls can not be analyzed accurately because they are all crazy.

But, somehow, when you guys philosophize about your own specific certain scenarios, ie: "we are their BFE's," with respect to "P" and "A," at Prestige, the content of your former posts, even if said tongue 'n cheek by you, it is still commentary made about them. It is still your true analysis, but when I comment on the exactly the same issues, it is my dilusional folly.

Carlos says: "Let Angel Girl be... let her be hetero or bi or Les, but when are you just going to let her go? You can not come back acting and reacting that way... just like when I met you, your point of reference for a girl was Cindy #1. Now it will be Angel Girl..."

No, you misinterpret my desire to make commentary here with my state of mind in returning. They are two different things. I have nothing else to comment on with respect to my posts here....Lets see, how is the weather in Monterrey these days, getting cooler? Fact is, if we shut up with all our postings there will be simply nothing to read and banter about. So, the full range of commentary continues. For my part, the catharsis has been very theraputic, and it prepares me quite well for my re-entry into Monterrey. But, squelching my thought processes simply ends the catharsis, the thing that now has me willing to return. Or is it that you prefer that I retire? Uhmmmm?

Remember, if I retire, NO COOKIES. And, if I take your full advise to morph into the full blown Cabron, there will be NO COOKIES this next trip. And, don't tell me to make cookies for only mis amigos, and none for my banter in the clubs. I like my banter in the clubs. It's part of my enjoyment level. If I go to the trouble of making COOKIES, I will bring them for all concerned, not just my greedy, and hungry, amigos...Besides, we disagree on the value of my schtick in the clubs, and I do not buy that it sabotages me in any way.

Remember this, the ONLY thing that sabatoges anyone is their willingness to spend money, nothing else. I could come into those clubs in a clown suit and be wildlly successful...if I had 10,000 pesos notes sticking out of my pockets, and a willingness to throw money around. I will tell you exactly where things changed with me. It was when I decided that I was wasting money on girls that gave me a peck on the cheek and NO ACTION.

At this juncture, I will summon up Senior Members from the ISG afterlife, the eloquent, sometimes participatory, but ever illusive Porker. He is one that I know agrees with my assessment. I used to spend gobs of money on jarras, salidas, individual drinks, privados, etc...when I was in Monterrey. I had twenty girls on the pad at one time in those days. But, the bottom line was, half of those were not worth the investment. The futility of wasting money on some of those girls can not be overemphasized. And, for the newbie reader, to represent othewise is disengenuous.

When I return this next trip, I will spend wildly on the girls, and you will see just how quickly USB regains his former, and frankly, never lost, distinction with respect to overall selection. But, honestly, my decision to stop spending and to concentrate on my "G" girl was a calculated strategy, one that satisfied the shit out of me for a year, and for peanuts.

Everybody likes to suspect that I was fleeced, taken for a ride by the disengenuous bar girl, that I have been emotionally pussy whipped by her, etc...But, the overiding reality is I was so far and away better off than others of you that MUST spend widly in the clubs to achieve a fraction of the same range of time I obtained from my "G" girl, that there can be no comparison whatsoever to the ultimate payoff I recieved as a result of my implementing that strategy. Point out one instance where that strategy cost me financially... you can NOT.

Carlos says: "I do NOT care if she is telling a lie or telling a truth; acting on my benefit or if am witness to her trueself, the ONLY thing that can prevail is MY truth, my way of controling the relationship with her. Again (umpteenth time) the only one that controls a relationship is the customer. If you start buying what she tells you above hearing her and asimilating what she has to tell you, you are TOTALLY lost."

So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

So where does my making a statement equate with my buying into her lies, dilusions, etc...??? I merely report what was said, and my analysis of it, most of which is meaningless with respect to my future returns, unless of course I can get a threesome with she and her novia. The truth is, I have already acknowledged that what they tell me is of little value because they are so crazy. But, were I to rekindle something with her, and were it to have financial beneficial merits, I would do so all over again. Take them apples!!!

You guys have all your "dilusional" opinions in your posts, they are not my words, they are yours. Shall I dig them all up and restate them here so as to prove my point?

Don't misunderstand my smart assed rebuttal here. I am just attempting to demonstrate to you that I have no expectations for this next trip, other than it may be very expensive, and provide very little true satisfaction with respect to MY total cost. We shall see.

Carlos, re-read MJ's post about what it cost him when he used to come down to Morelia...read it slowly, and read it completely. He understands when I talk about the financial aspect of making trips to Mexico, even when he may also believe I am emotionally vulnerable to them. The bottom line is, the financial books don't lie even as the girls lie all the time. If my bottom line indicates that I am way ahead of the game, it is "ME," "MYSELF," and "I" who is winning. I invite you to point to one instance where, over the last year, financially, I have been taken for a ride by "G"...go ahead, name one instance. You can not.

But, just to put your mind at ease...I do not believe anything they say, nor will I, in the future, analyze them for tactical reasons. I will pay them and fuck them, maybe give them a cookie, as I am sitting in my clown suit, with 10,000 peso notes bulging from my pockets. How's that, feeling better?

[Member #3453]

By the way, there is a guy from Chicago in Monterrey for two days only, arriving last night. He sends me inquiries with respect to specific girl recommendations, wishing to arrange an escort kind of scenario for himself with only two days on the ground there. If he is reading this post, I also suggest contacting Carlos Perez with your inquiries. He may be able to give you better recommendations than I can because he is local.

But for my part, my recommendation to him for time outside the clubs, and the prospect of todo la noche, would be to simply visit the clubs, where it is more likely to only find 1.5 hour salida action. My response was that I have no specific names to provide him, and that time outside the clubs, for an escort, for probably 4-6 hours of time, and certainly for todo la noche, will likely cost him at least 6000-10,000 pesos, especially without any former ground work being laid in Monterrey with the girl in advance.

I post this here because it is something other than my analysis of psychological and emotional issues specific to me. And, also, perhaps you can help him out, Carlos, if he happens to contact you. Plus, it serves to illustrate how difficult it is just to arrange for action outside the club, never mind GFE, and hi-bred GFE, todo la noche, movies, dinners, etc...these kinds of worldclass activities are almost always going to be non-existent for one time, or infrequent visitors to Monterrey, unless of course you wish to spend huge amounts of cash. Just stating the facts. You can have fun, but it will not be anything close to what you can experience with respect to mongering in some other venues. Expectation is everything. Remember the costs versus satisfaction issues if you are planning a tirp to Monterrey strictly for mongering's sake.

[Member #3453]

Carlos says: "I agree with Wasted....The only confused person that still hasn't cut his ties with the past is you USB. You are acting now Mexican Macho: She doesn't like me... she must be a lesbian. And this is how you are starting the game from scratch???"

There is no "must be a lesbian" to it with respect to whether I believe she is or isn't, or accordinly to whether she wants to be with me. WastedG disputed the facts, then he asked me a specific question in his post when he asked "is she tho?," meaning is she really bi or lesbian. I simply clarified for him in my reply post. I did not say she was a lesbian...fact is, I do not think she is, even when she makes direct referenced to having a novia. I think she is totally confused. Go ask her yourself what she now prefers. Who knows, you might be able to get a threesome with the two of them. That will be my first question of her if I return. I have never met the novia. She tells me the novia is pretty HOT. Call that anlaysis if you want...I call it potentially fun.

Carlos Says: "You are still analyzing. Still parting from the wrong premise, that you can analize the girls. Now, right now, we are up to the point when I met you first: Cindy #1. You are acting exactly the same and writing the same things you said of her, trying to analyze the unanalyzable. You ar trying to fathom what is impossible to understand and you are going round and round and round with the same things."

No, I simply replied to WastedG's post with my own analysis. He posted his analysis, and I posted mine. What you read in my replies were simply conversational, and should not be construed as my obsessing about anything. Frankly, anyone reading the USB Section is going to assume I obsess about everything, right? The things in my reply posts are the things I did not formerly post to demonstrate that their is a "tip of the iceburg" to everything going on in their mixed up, crazy lives. I agree with you. The girls can not be analyzed accurately because they are all crazy.

But, somehow, when you guys philosophize about your own specific certain scenarios, ie: "we are their BFE's," with respect to "P" and "A," at Prestige, the content of your former posts, even if said tongue 'n cheek by you, it is still commentary made about them. It is still your true analysis, but when I comment on the exactly the same issues, it is my dilusional folly.

Carlos says: "Let Angel Girl be... let her be hetero or bi or Les, but when are you just going to let her go? You can not come back acting and reacting that way... just like when I met you, your point of reference for a girl was Cindy #1. Now it will be Angel Girl..."

No, you misinterpret my desire to make commentary here with my state of mind in returning. They are two different things. I have nothing else to comment on with respect to my posts here....Lets see, how is the weather in Monterrey these days, getting cooler? Fact is, if we shut up with all our postings there will be simply nothing to read and banter about. So, the full range of commentary continues. For my part, the catharsis has been very theraputic, and it prepares me quite well for my re-entry into Monterrey. But, squelching my thought processes simply ends the catharsis, the thing that now has me willing to return. Or is it that you prefer that I retire? Uhmmmm?

Remember, if I retire, NO COOKIES. And, if I take your full advise to morph into the full blown Cabron, there will be NO COOKIES this next trip. And, don't tell me to make cookies for only mis amigos, and none for my banter in the clubs. I like my banter in the clubs. It's part of my enjoyment level. If I go to the trouble of making COOKIES, I will bring them for all concerned, not just my greedy, and hungry, amigos...Besides, we disagree on the value of my schtick in the clubs, and I do not buy that it sabotages me in any way.

Remember this, the ONLY thing that sabatoges anyone is their willingness to spend money, nothing else. I could come into those clubs in a clown suit and be wildlly successful...if I had 10,000 pesos notes sticking out of my pockets, and a willingness to throw money around. I will tell you exactly where things changed with me. It was when I decided that I was wasting money on girls that gave me a peck on the cheek and NO ACTION.

At this juncture, I will summon up Senior Members from the ISG afterlife, the eloquent, sometimes participatory, but ever illusive Porker. He is one that I know agrees with my assessment. I used to spend gobs of money on jarras, salidas, individual drinks, privados, etc...when I was in Monterrey. I had twenty girls on the pad at one time in those days. But, the bottom line was, half of those were not worth the investment. The futility of wasting money on some of those girls can not be overemphasized. And, for the newbie reader, to represent othewise is disengenuous.

When I return this next trip, I will spend wildly on the girls, and you will see just how quickly USB regains his former, and frankly, never lost, distinction with respect to overall selection. But, honestly, my decision to stop spending and to concentrate on my "G" girl was a calculated strategy, one that satisfied the shit out of me for a year, and for peanuts.

Everybody likes to suspect that I was fleeced, taken for a ride by the disengenuous bar girl, that I have been emotionally pussy whipped by her, etc...But, the overiding reality is I was so far and away better off than others of you that MUST spend widly in the clubs to achieve a fraction of the same range of time I obtained from my "G" girl, that there can be no comparison whatsoever to the ultimate payoff I recieved as a result of my implementing that strategy. Point out one instance where that strategy cost me financially... you can NOT.

Carlos says: "I do NOT care if she is telling a lie or telling a truth; acting on my benefit or if am witness to her trueself, the ONLY thing that can prevail is MY truth, my way of controling the relationship with her. Again (umpteenth time) the only one that controls a relationship is the customer. If you start buying what she tells you above hearing her and asimilating what she has to tell you, you are TOTALLY lost."

So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

So where does my making a statement equate with my buying into her lies, dilusions, etc...??? I merely report what was said, and my analysis of it, most of which is meaningless with respect to my future returns, unless of course I can get a threesome with she and her novia. The truth is, I have already acknowledged that what they tell me is of little value because they are so crazy. But, were I to rekindle something with her, and were it to have financial beneficial merits, I would do so all over again. Take them apples!!!

You guys have all your "dilusional" opinions in your posts, they are not my words, they are yours. Shall I dig them all up and restate them here so as to prove my point?

Don't misunderstand my smart assed rebuttal here. I am just attempting to demonstrate to you that I have no expectations for this next trip, other than it may be very expensive, and provide very little true satisfaction with respect to MY total cost. We shall see.

Carlos, re-read MJ's post about what it cost him when he used to come down to Morelia...read it slowly, and read it completely. He understands when I talk about the financial aspect of making trips to Mexico, even when he may also believe I am emotionally vulnerable to them. The bottom line is, the financial books don't lie even as the girls lie all the time. If my bottom line indicates that I am way ahead of the game, it is "ME," "MYSELF," and "I" who is winning. I invite you to point to one instance where, over the last year, financially, I have been taken for a ride by "G"...go ahead, name one instance. You can not.

But, just to put your mind at ease...I do not believe anything they say, nor will I, in the future, analyze them for tactical reasons. I will pay them and fuck them, maybe give them a cookie, as I am sitting in my clown suit, with 10,000 peso notes bulging from my pockets. How's that, feeling better?