Monterrey - UnospongeBob's Reports

[MonterreyDude]

Prestatement: I had loooong post, but HELL!!! I lost it!!!

Ok, short version....

USB: "Well, some have suggested that if I continue to see newbie girl, I am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that I might be taking advantage of her. And, while I do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, I do contemplate the effects on them of my GFE approach."

Let us be real, USB has no meaness inside of him, he can not be disingenous nor he has the capacity to take advantage of her.

This is the stereotype of club girls, that they are dumb... something they are totally NOT.
You have to be damn cruel and insensible to take advantage of a club girl.
On the other hand, if you are not mean, nor cruel, it is the OTHER WAY AROUND: the girl will take advantage of you, whether she is a newbie, or a veteran.

Hell, you have to be MEAN, ugly mean to deal with the girls
USB has minimized Wasted's and my strategies of aproaching girls in the sense that we have not found GFE.
We know so well that we avoid it like the plague.
We know so well that we have to hit them hard on the head to stop them from controling the situation.

USB has not taken in account that there is a new generation of girls out there that he does not fully comprehend.
That, and again I repeat, makes him an open mark for them.

He's so used to Angel Girl, that when he tries to go for another one, that other girl, has a field trip with him.

No, USB needs a streak of meaness he will never have.
And he needs it.

[Member #3453]

Well, some have suggested that if I continue to see newbie girl, I am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that I might be taking advantage of her. And, while I do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, I do contemplate the effects on them of my GFE approach.

ANGEL GIRL UPDATE:

Case in point, my best girl has been "going with me" now for 2-1/2 years. With respect to "ALL" girls not being trustworthy, certainly, in the strictest sense, even with my angel girl, that is certainly the case. She has not always told me the complete truth, but she has been relatively trustworthy. I mean, comon,' she's a bar girl. We are from two different planets. With her background comes my obligation to understand her demons, most of which are environmental and sociological. So, when I speak of "trust," it is within the proper context.

WastedG had it right though. I just want to have something more meaningful than a mechanical session. But, with that sometimes comes a tremendous amount of emotional hurt, for me, and for them. With hybrid GFE things must ALWAYS change over time. Emotional pain, if GFE is done the way I play the game, is inevitable.

Most recently, Angel Girl has told me of an "on again" novio. She has spoken of him many times, and explained her circumstances with him candidly. She has told me of their relationship for the past 2-1/2 years.

She recently told me that their relationship is "on" again, but that she has serious doubts about the depth of her love for him. Fact is, she has told me she does not love him. But, I know how deeply she loves her 3 year old son. I can tell you this. Women will literally die for their kids, and they will even marry for them, fuck for them, demean themselves for them, sacrifice their own happiness for them, be miserable for them, whatever it takes.

She feels a strong responsibility to make a family for her son. Literally, for 2-1/2 years, I believe she thought I was available for that, even when I repeatedly told her I was not. I believe she targeted me, sincerely, because she loves me, and because she wanted me to provide for she and her son, even when I always made it quite clear that I could not do that. But, I never told her the real reason why, that I am married. I always told her of other reasons. But, I believe that learning that I am married changed the paradigm completely.

She has been honest with me, just as she is honest with me these days, telling me that she wants to make a family for her son. She tells me that the love she feels for me surpasses the love she has for her novio. I know it's naive to assume she is telling me the truth, but after having known this girl so intimately now for so long, I think I actually do believe her.

Not that the reality of that has any meaning because literally, she apparently felt compelled to tell me the truth of their relationship all along, over the past 2-1/2 years. So, none of this is new to me. She has done so as her relationship with the novio has taken its ups and downs. She could just have easily told me she had no boyfriend, etc...but, she respected our friendship enough to be honest with me.

She always told me he was her friend, and that he wanted another girl, which I believe was the case for quite a long period. When we found each other, and a legitimate attraction existed, I believe the prospects of the amigo actually having any stature in her love life, was relatively dim. When I came along, literally, she put him on hold, for probably the last 2-1/2 years. But, because I was absent from Monterrey for the last 6-8 months tending to business issues, the holidays, etc...and because it was revealed to her during that time that I was married, she made the decision to start seeing him again with "purpose" in mind. I mean, how many Mexican male prospects are out there that would take on a woman with a kid?

You see, she found out I was married, which changed her entire perspective on the potential for "us," not only because it confirmed for her that I would probably never leave my wife and family, but also because she does not like the idea that she might be breaking up my family. As crazy as it sounds, and as depraved as these girls seem to be, many of them are respectful of the institution of marriage, more than you would even expect. That's why I NEVER tell them the truth. And, literally, my angel girl has this ethic in her heart. She had heard I was married, and when she revealed to me that she had decided, as a result of having learned that I was married from my amigo, to resume seeing her novio. When I heard this, I decided to confirm to her that I was married. I did this out of love for her. I did not want to postpone her opportunities in life.

She has an opportunity to make a family with this novio, apparently a nice guy. Actually, I have met him once, and seemingly, he is a nice guy. But, she told me how much the intensity of our relationship has always delayed her making any decisions about him, and that she sincerely did not love him. Frankly, I believe she wanted a shot at me for real. When she learned I was definitely married, the prospect of that opportunity was not an option for her any longer, and she does not feel it is "right" to see me as novios. She told me that when my amigo told her I was married, it was like someone plunged a knife into her heart (bless her heart...really). I did not intend to hurt her. From the beginning, I just assumed we were playing games, and then I realized somewhere along the line that it was getting serious, serious for both of us.

She knows I would never leave my wife and family, even though, as Wasted pointed out, being with her illustrates for me everything a man's carnal desires could be, and it tortures me daily thinking of losing her
love-making in comparison to all that I have experienced before.

HOWEVER, apparently the desire is strong in her for me, because literally, when we were together last time, after having revealed all our "secrets" to one another, she still fucked me silly for three days. After I returned to the US, I know she told the novio that I am back, and that she is confused. She on again with me, off again with him. It's a frickin' mess! :-)))

The novio always understood the depth of her affection for me, her attraction to me, and even now is threatened significantly by my seeing her. She told him she saw me last time. She told him after I returned to the US because she wanted to resume our love affair, and she was confused. She told me that when she tried breaking it off with him, and that he was so very angry with her. He knows she is in love with me. But, she is also resolved to making a life for herself. Truth is, I am not sure I will continue to expect her to see me with any kind of commitment for that reason. I have told her we can still meet secretly. I told her then not to tell him, but she told him anyway, telling him that she was in love with me, and that she wanted to see me.

But, I also know the strength of her motivation to make a family for her son. Her sense of responsibility to her son, and her family in general, is admirable, beyond any preconceived stereotypical assumptions that these bar girls are irresponsible. I think she will gravitate back to the novio, provided they do not fight, which is always a huge possibility. I mean, I fully anticipate them having broken up again by the time I return to Monterrey. Business as usual.

But, I do worry a little bit. I mean, a Gringo in Mexico is a sitting duck, and my intervention in his desire to romance her could actually be dangerous. I don't think he's a dangerous dude, but I think that my medaling in a legitimate romantic effort on his part could possibly not be the wisest decision on my part. But, I love her dearly, and not seeing her would be almost unbearable. So, I will probably see her, fuck her silly for a few days, and back she'll go, provided he hasn't pissed her off again with his wanderings, and assuming they haven't started fighting. I am, frankly, banking on seeing them break up. But, I really don't want to be the catalyst to that. I just want it to happen on its own, mainly because I don't want to be targeted by a Mexicano with friends that might like the idea of messing with a Gringo medaling in their attempts to maintain a girlfriend.

After I told her I was married, she revealed to me that a certain someone, someone who knows my personal circumstances, revealed to her that I was married. So, it became clear to me why she decided recently to legitimately consider the attentions of the novio, whom she never trusted, and apparently had no strong emotional feelings for. Her exact words..." I have a chance at making my son happy, and there is a lot of affection between him and my son." She's always telling me that he needs a father. However, the novio is an amigo, so there is a basis in friendship between them. For that reason it could actually work between them, and I kind of feel bad about sticking my dick where it does not perhaps belong.

I realize why this individual may have told her about my marital status, to spare her any heartache. Because, literally, he knows the depth of her love for me, and I believe he also realizes that she was waiting for me to marry her. I also think he had my best interest at heart, and believed that I might be so smitten by her, that I would do something foolish and ruin my own life over her. I know he realizes that she feels this way about me. Otherwise, if he truly believed she was just being manipulative or disingenuous, he would not have felt compelled to tell her my truths. Because, literally, what would be his motivation to tell her otherwise. If he believed she was manipulating me, why tell her anything? She was not manipulating me. She loves me, and he knows it.

She never mislead me, she never took advantage of me, she never lied to me (more or less), and she loved me legitimately with a depth of emotion and affection that I have never found in Monterrey, a depth of emotion that is not duplicated in the mongering scene. That's the loss I feel. Were I to return to Monterrey again, I know the depth of my disappointment were I not able to see her, would be so depressing that even contemplating a return is out of my mind at this juncture.

WastedG understands me. What I ultimately crave is what I have with her, and she has been the pinnacle of my achievements in Monterrey. She has been my mistress for 2-1/2 years. I have NOT been mongering. She was my lover for 2-1/2 years. I had an "affair" for 2-1/2 years. There is a huge and vast difference between mongering and having a legitimate love affair.

That is why, when I returned to Monterrey, for the last 2-1/2 years, I've been relatively faithful to her, only straying occasionally, and usually only taking girls from other bars so I would not hurt her feelings. I knew that her affections were real, and I respected our commitments to each other, which I believe she kept, within reason, apart from doing her job in the bar. I am not naive.

The point here is to reveal the depth of what can develop with hybrid GFE. I am on the same road now with newbie girl. I am at a juncture where I am seriously contemplating the merits of pushing the relationship in the same direction as my love affair with angel girl. I seriously doubt that it's worth the inevitable heartache. It's really a two edged sword. You get all the intensity of the hybred GFE, but coming down off the high can be extremely painful. So, now, I contemplate my next moves.

Frankly, I believe that what is between angel girl and me will never change, regardless of what she says in her more cognitive moments, times when she is thinking without the depth of emotion that is so obviously between us when we're together. And, truly, I believe that when I return, she will be right back in my bed, and for as long as I choose, not because she is a hooker, but because we give each other something that neither of us get otherwise. We are addicted to each other, we are good friends, and we are lovers.

But, with newbie girl, I am really quite torn about how to play it. I am starting to believe that maybe I should just blow into town, and screw them silly, and maybe not take things quite so far as I did with angel girl. I did not mean to hurt her, which I have done. It just happening between us, something I really didn't anticipate. I mean, shit, I didn't really ever anticipate we would fall in "love" with each other. But, the point of my post is, it happens. So, if you choose to play the hybrid GFE game, be prepared to hurt, and know yourself well enough to know whether it will be worth it to you.

I relate what is said by her, my interpretations of what is happening, sometimes conjecture, etc...Who knows how much of it is really what is going on per se. I think I am reading things accurately, but obviously it could all be BS. But, I really don't think so. The test of time has a tendency to reveal reality. Regardless of what you may think of my antics, I choose to relay it anyway, just to inform about the hybrid GFE, and to hopefully enlighten those who might consider my path.

But, the bigger issue is that I am heading down this same path now with newbie girl. And, because of angel girl, I am reluctant, wondering if it's healthy for everyone concerned. I doubt I have seen the last of Angel Girl. I suspect she will be in my bed next trip, and probably that she will be as confused then as she seems now. I just wonder if I should spark the same kind of stuff with newbie girl. I am torn.

No matter what happens on your night together, her continuing to work in the bars will change her attitude no matter what. It is one of the only true constant things about that job. Any length of time doing it and it will effect her. No way it can't, won't or shouldn't. She might still talk to you the same way but on the inside "she ain't no newbie"

[El Cabron 007]

What? You mean I can not trust what these girls are saying?

They Lie? They are not honest? The cheat? The have sex?

I am shocked. My dreams are shattered.

Haven't both of you still yet realized that the girls dance around a "no salidas" policy cause they don't want their boyfriends to know it?
Maybe they promised them "no salidas con clientes", but temptation of money and fun is stronger.

[Doubt98]

No matter what happens on your night together, her continuing to work in the bars will change her attitude no matter what. It is one of the only true constant things about that job. Any length of time doing it and it will effect her. No way it can't, won't or shouldn't. She might still talk to you the same way but on the inside "she ain't no newbie"

[MonterreyDude]

Both of you are funny little men: Where is the written notary public certification that the girls you took out, were out on their first salida?

I just posted on the other thread that the girls are good in reading men, ergo they feed the men what they want to hear.
And don't come over and tell me that "the other girls confirmed it", cause they are ALL working together under the same roof.

Haven't both of you still yet realized that the girls dance around a "no salidas" policy cause they don't want their boyfriends to know it?
Maybe they promised them "no salidas con clientes", but temptation of money and fun is stronger.

My B girl at El Infi is one of them. She is getting married, and still doing salidas, except she tells all that "no salidas" so her BF won't know.

My new SC girl, she told me she has never had sex with customers, that am the only one... yesterday she slipped, quickly mended, but too late.
Which I don't care at all.
But she thinks I want to hear that, so she tries to spoon fed me that stuff.
Which I let her believe she is doing.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]They all say your are their first salida. Some are honest, some of lying, of course. I WAS Angry Girl's first...I think I WAS several other girl's first, the least of which was wifey. And, with respect to newbies...I agree to an extent. They can be good or bad though. Most of the newbies, frankly, offer a much better chance of being good than the seasoned ones.

OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

They all say your are their first salida. Some are honest, some of lying, of course. I WAS Angry Girl's first...I think I WAS several other girl's first, the least of which was wifey. And, with respect to newbies...I agree to an extent. They can be good or bad though. Most of the newbies, frankly, offer a much better chance of being good than the seasoned ones.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.
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[Member #3453]

She is my wife...really!! But, yes, she still works the bar. I have to make a living.

Hey USB
Enjoying reading about the new one.

But let's cut to the chase:
1) Where does she rank relative to Angel Girl?
2) is she still working in the bar?

Cheers
RtW

[El Cabron 007]

OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.
/QUOTE]

[Round the World]

Hey USB
Enjoying reading about the new one.

But let's cut to the chase:
1) Where does she rank relative to Angel Girl?
2) is she still working in the bar?

Cheers
RtW

[Member #3453]

Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.

So, the monger proceeds to talk to her, not touching her, nothing other than to interview her, joke with her, and ascertain her personality. Of course, the monger likes her appearance, a flaca morena, nice butt, naturales, etc...and, he eventually decides, after only two dances, that her personality is such that she "may" be a good companion. Besides, time is of the essence this particular night, and the monger has little time to play his game with precision. He must act fast, exit the building, arrive at the hotel, and get on with it. This particular night is not conducive to his usual motice operandi. Generally, his methodology is much more subtle, much more manipulative, and much more persuasively planned. No, tonight, he has to move mountains, or he is spending the night alone. Of that, he is sure.

Well, the monger decides that he is going to try to get her to go on salida, but he realizes that she is a newbie, and will probably never agree to go. But, he also senses that the two of them are hitting it off well, even when there is literally no physical contact to speak of, just she sitting on his lap, munching a cookie. The monger has a sixth sense that is rarely wrong, and he is relying on it's accuracy, hoping that his perceptions aren't just optimistic delusions, hoping for the best possible scenario.

So, he decides he has nothing to lose, and he pops the question. At first, she is undecided. But, eventually, with a little persuasion, he convinces her that he will take her away from it all, and that they will have a marvelous evening together, and that as a result she will be enriched to the tune of 1500 pesos.

So, the monger is really quite surprised when she finally agrees, wondering the entire time if she is going to back out, thinking that getting a newbie on salida is really a difficult task, not something many newbie girls would consider doing after only two privados with a perfect stranger.

So, he is really quite pleased at she agreeing to go, at she actually changing into her street clothes, and at she actually leaving the building with him as the two hunt for a taxi to go to the hotel together. Yes, the monger is...well, surprised and delighted all at the same time.

He can sense a little fear is present in her, she wondering whether her new found friend is safe to be with, wondering if she is making a mistake, etc...He can sense that in her demeanor, but he also senses her willingness to risk it, for whatever reason. He hopes she is legitimately attracted to him because those kinds of motivations serve him the best with respect to GFE. But, he also realizes he is dealing with a bar girl, and he fully understands the monetary motivations that influence these crazy bar girls to do what they do.

Anyway, suffice it to say, the encounter goes hybrid GFE, really outstanding. So, many things confirm the monger's suspicions that she is indeed a newbie, maybe even that she is a girl confused about making a decision to work in a bar to begin with, one that doesn't really seem to like thinking of herself as "that kind of girl," much less making a decision to go out with a guy she met for no more than 10 minutes, at the most, just long enough to finish only two privado dances before deciding she would go back with him to the hotel.

Anyway, as the two are getting to know each other, the monger tells her he likes the scenario of a GFE, that he enjoys finding girls that he can maintain an ongoing relationship with, a girl he can have fun with apart from just the sex, a girl he can make friends with, one that he will see regularly when he returns to Monterrey from the States, one that she can feel safe with, one she can take an interest in, one to have fun with, etc...In other words, he explains the hybrid GFE to the girl, and he senses that she is intrigued by the idea, that she buys into it. She plainly tells him, literally, that she likes the way he thinks.

So, the monger eventually returns to the States after spending only one night with the girl. Now, the girl follows up on the monger's described scenario, conforming to the way in which it was explained to her, playing her role well, fulfilling her obligation to perpetuate their newly found friendship through subsequent actions that she must take on her end to bring the monger back to see her, actions she must take to deepen the "relationship" between them.

She does call him on his cell phone, she texts him a couple times asking the monger to call her so they can talk. She talks on the phone with him once or twice. She texts him that she loves/wants him, that she misses him, etc...this after only one session with the hypothetical monger. Obviously, the hypothetical monger is delighted that she is perpetuating his preferred scenario, and that she gets "it," and wants "it," for whatever reason.

The monger doesn't consider whether she is nutty, mercenary, delusional, desperate, etc...It really makes little difference to the monger because things are moving in the right direction, and he has no intention to hurt her emotionally, but merely to enjoy her company when he visits Monterrey. The monger has already explained to the girl that he travels extensively, that if things progress between them he wants to see her with legitimate affection when he is in Monterrey, that he wants to do things with her other than sex, things for entertainment, and to pass the time, kind of like an escort situation. He is honest with her about his intentions, that he will never legitimize her.

The monger realizes too that the girl may very likely be sincere, that she may have hopes for trapping the Gringo, but romantic hopes no worse than the hopes that any women has bouncing around in their little heads.

Who knows...maybe she likes the BFE as much as he likes the GFE, and they enjoy each others scenarios together...plus, she gets the money, although, she makes claims that in the future there will be NO MONEY. When he inquires as to why, she says because it would not be right, that the scenario needs to be based upon something sincere, and that it just isn't right for the money to be between the two of them.

So, the monger contemplates her statements, and he decides that he will see her again next time, but that he will always probably pay, simply because it keeps him in control of the scenario. He decides that to perpetuate the GFE, he will rely on a play on semantics. He will not pay her in the future, he will "help" her. Maybe he will pay less, but he will pay something, probably a significantly reduced amount, especially with respect to time spent, but he will help her.

I am not asking whether you believe her or not. That is irrelevant. Nor am I asking whether the monger is naive, or foolish for believing her or not. That too is also irrelevant. The monger knows what he likes, and he is getting it, regardless of the believability of her behaviors, except the monger observes that her behaviors are otherwise those of an academy award winning actress if she is disingenuous.

Here is the question...

Should the monger feel GUILTY, MANIPULATIVE, or CRUEL about leading her on? Is he merely toying with her, playing games with a possibly CONFUSED girl? Is he giving their relationship wings? Is he giving her expectations that will never truly develop into a legitimate relationship? Is he, by merely communicating with her when he is in the US, by setting up time for them to spend together when he returns, enjoying conversation between them as friends, expressing his legitimate affection for her, regardless of whether she is a Hooker or not, etc...being manipulative?

He believes that being a hooker doesn't make her any less adorable, nor does it cancel out his legitimate affection for time spent with her. And, to further inquire, does it matter if this is also occurring with an experienced bar girl, one that is much more cynical due to having been around?

Assuming their "feelings" are legit, should the monger feel guilty with respect to perpetuating a legitimate relationship with hookers, especially under the circumstances of where he found them to begin with, and especially when considering the prevailing manipulations of men that are routinely a part of their jobs? Is the old saying, "what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander," is that a legitimate attitude to take?

In other words, is it ok for them to manipulate us initially as mongers, for the sake of their jobs as bar girls and hookers, but not ok for we to manipulate them initially for our own desire for GFE. And then, if it all starts to go legit, then what? Is it disingenuous for us to perpetuate a legitimate friendship, one that develops into a legitimately romantic love interest for the mutual enjoyment of both hooker and monger?

Remember where he found her, the context under which the entire scenario developed to begin with, she being a bar girl, she agreeing to go on salida, she apparently enjoying it to a point of she proclaiming verbally, and in written text messages, that she holds a legitimate love interest in the monger as a companion.

And then, supposing, as would be assumed by the most cynical among us, naturally, that her articulations are purely born out of a desire to manipulate for monetary gain...If you adopt the belief that her articulations are purely manipulative, which is the natural assumption that all mongers would certainly believe, why then, are they any less culpable with respect to guilt, cruelty, dishonesty, or manipulations than we, assuming our manipulations have no basis in legitimate affection either?

Only, if you believe they are demonstrating a legitimate love interest, could you conclude that the monger is guilty of perpetrating a cruel manipulation upon the poor unsuspecting bar girl. But, that having been said, that is only true if the monger is insincere in his own affections for them.

And assuming the bar girl is insincere, but the monger's treatment of the bar girl is with sincerity of emotion, that the monger treats the girl as a girlfriend, with all the attention and sincerity of affection that would otherwise exist under legitimate circumstances, then whom is guilty of the manipulation and cruelty, and whom, if anyone, bares the responsibility for the guilt?

[Member #3453]

Right Carlos....galletas y leche, that's me, quiza coka lite, pero no mas :-))

Thanks for the tip SD...I will try it first on Carlos just to see if it has it's effects on an expendable subject. :-))

Won't work... USB is a pussy.
He doesn't like spicy stuff.....

[MonterreyDude]

Won't work... USB is a pussy.
He doesn't like spicy stuff.....

USB:

I'm in the States right now but ask Carlos to show you how to make Vampiros, this is kind of a spicy bloody mary and the girls love it, I like to prepare it my self 'cause the one that sell in the club are made with chip tekila,(I worked as a bar tender when I was in college in Monterrey).

I hope your girls like it.

SD

[Zoom 21]

I forgot to mention too that I had purchased some "store" bought cookies at the HEB when I was with Carlos. I had found some really good cookies I enjoyed in Germany, and I wanted to find something simliar to have on hand for the girls to munch on. So, I found some very similiar ones at the HEB. Now, I still had quite a huge selection of my homemade cookies, but I always reserve those for the clubs, mis amigos, mis amigas, mi novia verdad (mi favorita).

I have also learned that to have their favorite liquor on hand, or beer, is a great strategy. In this case, while at the HEB with Carlos, and on his recommendation, I purchased a long dark blue bottle of Tequilla. I don't remember the brand name, but it was moderately expensive. It also comes in a really cool bottle, one that has a lot of ornateness to it. So, it's an impressive bottle, one that gives tequilla a little more stature and class, IMHO.

It is blended to have a smooth taste, intended to be drunk straight without mixers. But, I do not like straight Tequilla, even if it is blended to be mild. So, I purchased a lemonade "light", which is kind of like a flavored water, diet, no calorie, and I used it as a mixer in the room. I notice this is also sold in Oxxo, and it comes in regular size or large bottles. But, it's also pretty good as a mixer, just subtle enough to cut the bite of the Tequilla.

I prepared drinks for the both of us, a little ice, a lot of tequilla, and some "lite" lemonade as a mixer in the glass. She absolutely loved it. First, she drank hers, first slowly, and when she had finished hers, she drank what was left in my glass, also putting it to my lips so I could sip some. These were pretty large glasses. I usually have some shot glasses with me, but on this trip I had forgotten to bring them. Fortunately, the room also had a bar, and there were some nice glasses there, but for tequilla, they would have been considered too large. The glasses we used were more for a whiskey or scotch drink, not tequilla.

Anyway, she really liked it. She wasn't drunk, but you could tell that it relaxed her, and I think she really loved it. Now, I am not one to drink much alcohol, so I am always very controlled in my consumption, and this was no exception. And, I have no intention to get the girls drunk. That does not serve my purposes well. But, the ability of Tequilla, with a mixer, to relax the girls, can not be over emphasized. It works very well to make them comfortable, calm, and very amorous. It always works, and I use it sparingly. But, lately, I've decided that having it as one of my props is effective in it's own way, just as the cookies, chocolates, little trinkets, and various candies are effective in their own way.

I also had some genuine, and outstanding chocolate from Germany that I offered to her. Girls can NOT resist good chocolate, and I am almost thinking it functions as a mild aphrodisiac. It just seems to have some kind of power over them. I don't know...maybe I am imagining it. But, when I give a girl chocolates, they can't seem to resist eating at least one immediately. They almost never just thank me, and put it aside. I truly believe chocolate has some kind of effect on them. Call it psychological, whatever, I believe it has it's influential uses.

So, she would drink a little, then get up from the couch, have a cookie, then come back to the couch to sit with me, drink some more, kiss, kiss, kiss, caressing, kissing, caressing, kissing...This, all occurring prior to the sex of course. Then, after sex, when we were relaxing, we fixed another drink and shared it. She was never drunk, but you could sense her relax to the point of being totally submissive and horny.

Later, she told me, speaking of her time with me, "me encanta." What does that translate to mean Carlos? I know it means that you love "it," but "me gusta" is generally said where they like this or that. This is the first time I have heard "me encanta" from a girl. She made it a specific point to tell me, this after all was said and done, and we had showered, we sitting on the couch in towels, just relaxing, listening to some Lynyrd Skynyrd. I hear "te quiero" profusely from my favorita, but never had I heard "me encanta." I'm just curious what she may have actually meant in this context...

I wonder if it has a deeper meaning coming from a girl, and under these circumstances, and especially because she made such a point of looking me in the eye, and telling me, trying to make me understand, even asking me pointedly if I understand her. That's when she told me that she would not take my money, and that she wanted to know when I was coming back, if we could see each other again, that she wanted to see me for real, asking me why I don't have a girlfriend, if I want one, etc...Suffice it to say, it went quite well :-)))

Now, before I am accused of patting myself on the back, or being foolishly delusional, these are things she said to me, and things that simply illustrate her state of mind, which translates directly into my own satisfaction level. It doesn't matter if she was totally disingenuous. It only matters that I believed her demeanor, and I did. So, consequently, I had an unbelievable experience.

You simply can not accomplish this kind of reaction in the privados of some low level bar, nor is this acheivable in an MP, or in some seedy hotel room. It requires work, effort, planning, money, etc...That is why I am so damned angry about someone claiming to come to Monterrey, and posting for the sole purpose of antagonizing me, claiming, in their wildest wet dreams, to have been with girls that I have personally worked on.

I have a lot of effort invested, and it has nothing to do with my being delusional, or self congratulatory. To reveal specifics about my girls would literally be stupid on my part, admitedly a mistake I formerly made in this forum thinking that I was among friends. I will never again make the error, not because I can't take the heat, but because I can not risk "them" or "him" fucking-up my best planned scenarios by pointing those that are thoughtless alley chasers at my private stock by revealing details about my girls in a public forum of anonymous lurkers. Nothing against any of you, but I have my own interests to protect, hence I am relatively silent.

I am not usually one to offer the sexual details of my exploits when posting my experiences, not even in the mild manner referred to here. But, some have expressed an interest that I spice it up a bit. But, suffice it to say, my references here do not even begin to illustrate the decadence that I so thankfully experienced as she used her body to make love to me, not just to deliver sex for money...there is a huge difference. It is almost impossible to illustrate the difference with mere words if you have never tasted the apple.

There, that should hold you for another three months... :-)))

USB:

I'm in the States right now but ask Carlos to show you how to make Vampiros, this is kind of a spicy bloody mary and the girls love it, I like to prepare it my self 'cause the one that sell in the club are made with chip tekila,(I worked as a bar tender when I was in college in Monterrey).

I hope your girls like it.

SD

[Member #3453]

I forgot to mention too that I had purchased some "store" bought cookies at the HEB when I was with Carlos. I had found some really good cookies I enjoyed in Germany, and I wanted to find something simlar to have on hand for the girls to munch on. So, I found some very similar ones at the HEB. Now, I still had quite a huge selection of my homemade cookies, but I always reserve those for the clubs, mis amigos, mis amigas, mi novia verdad (mi favorita).

I have also learned that to have their favorite liquor on hand, or beer, is a great strategy. In this case, while at the HEB with Carlos, and on his recommendation, I purchased a long dark blue bottle of Tequilla. I don't remember the brand name, but it was moderately expensive. It also comes in a really cool bottle, one that has a lot of ornateness to it. So, it's an impressive bottle, one that gives tequilla a little more stature and class, IMHO.

It is blended to have a smooth taste, intended to be drunk straight without mixers. But, I do not like straight Tequilla, even if it is blended to be mild. So, I purchased a lemonade "light", which is kind of like a flavored water, diet, no calorie, and I used it as a mixer in the room. I notice this is also sold in Oxxo, and it comes in regular size or large bottles. But, it's also pretty good as a mixer, just subtle enough to cut the bite of the Tequilla.

I prepared drinks for the both of us, a little ice, a lot of tequilla, and some "lite" lemonade as a mixer in the glass. She absolutely loved it. First, she drank hers, first slowly, and when she had finished hers, she drank what was left in my glass, also putting it to my lips so I could sip some. These were pretty large glasses. I usually have some shot glasses with me, but on this trip I had forgotten to bring them. Fortunately, the room also had a bar, and there were some nice glasses there, but for tequilla, they would have been considered too large. The glasses we used were more for a whiskey or scotch drink, not tequilla.

Anyway, she really liked it. She wasn't drunk, but you could tell that it relaxed her, and I think she really loved it. Now, I am not one to drink much alcohol, so I am always very controlled in my consumption, and this was no exception. And, I have no intention to get the girls drunk. That does not serve my purposes well. But, the ability of Tequilla, with a mixer, to relax the girls, can not be over emphasized. It works very well to make them comfortable, calm, and very amorous. It always works, and I use it sparingly. But, lately, I've decided that having it as one of my props is effective in it's own way, just as the cookies, chocolates, little trinkets, and various candies are effective in their own way.

I also had some genuine, and outstanding chocolate from Germany that I offered to her. Girls can NOT resist good chocolate, and I am almost thinking it functions as a mild aphrodisiac. It just seems to have some kind of power over them. I don't know...maybe I am imagining it. But, when I give a girl chocolates, they can't seem to resist eating at least one immediately. They almost never just thank me, and put it aside. I truly believe chocolate has some kind of effect on them. Call it psychological, whatever, I believe it has it's influential uses.

So, she would drink a little, then get up from the couch, have a cookie, then come back to the couch to sit with me, drink some more, kiss, kiss, kiss, caressing, kissing, caressing, kissing...This, all occurring prior to the sex of course. Then, after sex, when we were relaxing, we fixed another drink and shared it. She was never drunk, but you could sense her relax to the point of being totally submissive and horny.

Later, she told me, speaking of her time with me, "me encanta." What does that translate to mean Carlos? I know it means that you love "it," but "me gusta" is generally said where they like this or that. This is the first time I have heard "me encanta" from a girl. She made it a specific point to tell me, this after all was said and done, and we had showered, we sitting on the couch in towels, just relaxing, listening to some Lynyrd Skynyrd. I hear "te quiero" profusely from my favorita, but never had I heard "me encanta." I'm just curious what she may have actually meant in this context...

I wonder if it has a deeper meaning coming from a girl, and under these circumstances, and especially because she made such a point of looking me in the eye, and telling me, trying to make me understand, even asking me pointedly if I understand her. That's when she told me that she would not take my money, and that she wanted to know when I was coming back, if we could see each other again, that she wanted to see me for real, asking me why I don't have a girlfriend, if I want one, etc...Suffice it to say, it went quite well :-)))

Now, before I am accused of patting myself on the back, or being foolishly delusional, these are things she said to me, and things that simply illustrate her state of mind, or her state of manipulation, whichever, doesn't matter to me because it all translates directly into my own satisfaction level. It doesn't matter if she was totally disingenuous or completely legit. It only matters that I believed her demeanor, and I did. So, consequently, I had an unbelievable experience.

You simply can not accomplish this kind of reaction in the privados of some low level bar, nor is this achievable in an MP, or in some seedy hotel room. It requires work, effort, planning, money, etc...That is why I am so damned angry about someone claiming to come to Monterrey, and posting for the sole purpose of antagonizing me, claiming, in their wildest wet dreams, to have been with girls that I have personally worked on.

I have a lot of effort invested, and it has nothing to do with my being delusional, or self congratulatory. To reveal specifics about my girls would literally be stupid now on my part, admitedly a mistake I formerly made in this forum thinking that I was among friends. I will never again make the error, not because I can't take the heat, but because I can not risk "them" or "him" fucking-up my best planned scenarios by pointing those that are thoughtless back alley chasers at my private stock by revealing details about my girls in a public forum of anonymous lurkers that have not received my personal security clearance. Nothing against any of you, but I have my own interests to protect, hence I am relatively silent. Obviously, with my trusted, known friends, I can divulge information to them and not be concerned they will be disingenuous in their own motivations. Besides, they have their private stock as well, and they will never again refer to any of them in specifics due to the events occurring her in the recent past.

No, I always did say that to divulge specifics about girls here was dumb, and unfortunately for me, my concerns were proved valid at my own personal expense. But, of course, the bogus stories don't effect me...they are bogus. But, the disclosure of specifics has the potential to sabotage my world, and it threatens my fun, something that takes paramount importance over reporting on ISG. I hope the merit of keeping some things secret are now vividly illustrated for all to contemplate in their own circumstances.

I am not usually one to offer the sexual details of my exploits when posting my experiences, not even in the mild manner referred to here. But, some have expressed an interest that I spice it up a bit. But, suffice it to say, my references here do not even begin to illustrate the decadence and titillation that I so thankfully experienced as she used her body to make love to me, and not just to deliver sex for money...there is a huge difference. It is almost impossible to illustrate the difference with mere words if you have never tasted a bite of the apple.

There, that should hold you for another three months... :-)))

[Member #3453]

to continue...

She is a sweet girl, perhaps not up to the level of sweetness of affection as my favorita, but damned close, with more of an animalistic adoration than my favorita. In contrast, my favorita displays almost an emotional "adoration," in addition to the animalistic lusting, where "newbie girl" displays only an animalistic kind of desire, with some degree of emotional affection. I realize that it's early for newbie girl, and I anticipate that she will hopefully develop with a stronger emotional side, which is such a good catalyst for long term, totally consistent, repeatable hybrid GFE.

I know it's difficult for many to understand the level of my strong connection to my favorita. Some do not understand the distinction that impresses me with respect to attitude and depth of attention, desire, adoration, etc...These attributes are all magnified in her, very discernible to me in comparison. This kind of assessment is key to my overall assessment of ultimate potential for hybrid GFE in various girls. Anyway, suffice it to say, I found in my newbie girl, a very strong combination of the right attributes, emotionally.

I like a gentle girl, one with a sweet disposition, playful, and extremely affectionate, one with mucho corino. Anyone that knows my girlfriend choices will see these attributes in each them, some having the qualities I described more than others. Some are very good actresses, some have displayed a false sweetness initially for monetary sake, and later turned into really great, totally reliable, and sincerely "interested" options for me. But, suffice it to say, they all must pass a particular screening process, an assessment that takes place in the blink of an eye by me, but one that is absolutely essential to making them worthy of my interest. Carlos has the look in the eye test. I have the carino test.

I explained the details of the "salida" to her in the privados, during the second song. I had time to inspect the merchandise, to at least decide that she was sufficiently enticing physically to be worthwhile, and to talk with her long enough to determine her demeanor, which is, as has been articulated above, almost as important to me as the physical aspect. But, physically, she is a flaca morena, hard bodied, with an average face, 21 years old, medium brown hair, sexy perfect butt, no kids (ahhhh!!!).

Whether they have kids has started to be a real issue for me, and not because of tightness. Sure, tightness is the assumption, right? But, frankly, my experience is that they can be very tight after having a few kids, and some are not tight even if they have not had any. No, the issue is that kids are a total distraction for them, keeping them from staying with you long time, and definitely affecting the prospect of todo la noche, etc...and, even family responsibilities can invade their availability.

While I tolerate it with significant frustration with my favorita, I am now quite delighted when I find a girl that has no kids, and no family issues to keep her from spending my kind of time together. Newbie girl has no family issues. She tells me that she has not seen her parents since the age of five, raised by a grandmother...tragic? Yes, I feel sorry for her. But, at the same time, this scenario offers outstanding levels of availability compared to my favorita.

Newbie Girl holds a regular job in one of the malls during the day, and she tells me that she started working the bar to pay this month's rent. She claims not to like the job, and that she will not work there again, but I suspect that if she learns her trade, she will be grow accustomed to the money. But, she claims that she will not return to the bar scene. I realize that what they say is not usually what transpires, but at least she articulates the proper altruistic attitude for a young girl to have about selling her body.

We'll see if she makes me her sole provider, or if she gravitates back to the bar scene. Frankly, it's a double edged sword from my perspective. If they work the bar scene, chances are they are healthier than if you take them from the regular population because they have regular checkups to make sure they are not spreading diseases. But, if you take them from the bar scene, they are prone to become harder in their demeanor, incrementally used up, only to eventually be so frequently used that they are sometimes virtually numb, or so tired from working the hectic bar scene that they can't function when they do go with you.

I will illustrate this comparison between newbie girl and one other girl that I also bar fined that week, one that has worked the bar scene for several years, one that is still very sweet, but the consummate pro.

There is a huge difference between the "desire" exhibited between my newbie girl and the "consummate pro"....no comparison. But, "consummate pro" was nice, sweet, fun, but just not fantastic. Newbie girl was FANTASTIC, and a lot of that has to do with lack of exposure to the job, to lack of exposure to men, limited experience, her own circumstances at home, raised without parents being there, possibly needing a lot of affection herself, etc...Newbie girl did not want to leave, consummate pro left right on schedule.

As I have always said, there is much more to fully enjoying these girls if you can pay attention to the psychology, and give them what they truly desire emotionally. After all, remember, it costs you nothing to do so, and the payoff is huge. Because, literally, you will receive from them ten times what you are able to give them.

This is only going to be necessary if you desire my kind of experience, the hybrid GFE. And, while some might believe my attentions are disingenuous, they are not. My affection for certain girls could not be any more legitimate and sincerely felt.

If you're into MPs or streetwalkers, or you prefer limited time with them, then forget it, you need not worry about these issues. Just go have your fun, and don't worry about it. That's not a slam on those that partake in whatever their best scenarios are, whether they be MPs, room girls, streetwalkers, whatever. It is not a criticism. I merely point it out because for every one that enjoys the MP over my kind of scenario, there are just as many that enjoy the GFE. Just take a trip around the world and you will find many GFE officianodos in the notorious venues, the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, Colombia, etc...

But, if you're in a venue as often as I am, such as is the case with Monterrey, I hope most can understand that I have a different set of criteria in judging my optimum experience than some that only visit short periods of time, and infrequently. So, these psych issues play a huge role in getting me where I want to be. I merely articulate them here to make those aware of the orchestrations that must take place if you like my kind of scenario. If you don't want to work, and want to take the quick way out, then "consummate pros" are easily available.

Ok, so you're tired of reading all this drivel, but I am merely setting up why I believe the circumstances develop like this for me, the amount of time and effort I have invested, and what I do to cause them to occur.

So, we get back to my hotel, and the first thing I do is to put on some music. Now, I know the girls like their own brand of music, but I want to listen to what I like. I may be able to get them even more worked up with their own music, but I prefer my music. My music inspires my proper behavior. I don't need to inspire them, if I am behaving properly, and my music inspires my proper approach. And, frankly, my selections, while they are unfamiliar to them initially, seem to bring something out in the girls that I believe would not be there were I to play their familiar tunes. Fact is, once my favorite girls get a taste of the Gringo music, they request that we listen to it almost on a consistently regular basis, they usually choosing to listen to it over their own familiar selections. I give them the choice...they are either pandering to me, or they actually want it. It doesn't matter...it is, after all, all about me.

Now, WastedG had given me a wonderful selection of popular Spanish music, and I do believe that it is successful in his scenarios, but I have yet to try it out. My only thought is not whether it will properly inspire the girls, but more a matter of my being properly inspired to utilizing charm levels that result in the hybrid GFE scenario for me. I am inspired by my music, and it raises a bias in me. On another issue...

One thing I have always really liked about certain accommodations is the availability of a couch in the room. This prop is really almost indispensable if you want hybrid GFE. Oh, it really isn't mandatory. I mean, I did not have the advantage of a couch in the room with my favorita, but for newbie girl, the couch was available, and I used it really successfully.

What this allows you to do is to start slowly. To get to know each other intimately without sexual overtones. I started on the couch, listening to music, just talking, being PATIENT. Initially, I was wondering if this girl was much of a "kisser." Initially, she did not touch me sexually on the couch, nor did she kiss me. But, she did caress me a little, just to show affection.

She was quite proper in her manner, but sat close, talking, caressing my arm, etc...Eventually, I kissed her on the forehead in response to a joke, and then on the lips, and she was slow to develop in a reciprocating manner. She was just a little unsure of what to do. Kind of like a high school girl...HOW EXCITING!!! But, WOW, later, I had to come up for air, literally!!! I have never found a girl that likes kissing with such intensity. Although, most of my favoritas strongly exhibit this attribute.

She later told me that she was pretty inexperienced, and that she wanted to learn. I love when they say that. It's a preface to an absolutely wonderful time, and certainly a long term arrangement. I mean, you have to remember, many young girls have simply not had much experience, only to be ravaged by the impetuous young fools that try to get in their pants. And, honestly, the girls are into sex on a totally different level. You have to realize it or you aren't any better than the "boys" they have to deal with on a daily basis.

So, once the passionate kissing started, it just got better and better and better. She asked if I wanted her to take off her jacket. She was wearing a blue jean jacket, and she was, of course, still full clothed. So, she took off her jacket, and by that time, she was passionately attacking me on the couch. So, the caressing started. She was still a little reserved, not sure whether she should make a move. So, I moved her hand to my crouch, and that served as quite a catalyst, she becoming really horny, quite amorous.

Eventually, I undressed her, kissing her gently, and by the time I took her to the bed, she was drenched. Remember, I had not touched her there, not once. Only kissing and caressing, but not really in a sexual sense, but with intensity of tenderness and emotion that girls want.

I was astonished at how wet she was. Suffice it to say, she was totally into sex after that, passionately kissing me on the lips. Like I said, I could not breath!!! She also liked to nibble my lips, and to screw and kiss, screw and kiss, screw and kiss. We screwed me probably five times within a matter of an hour.

Now, keep in mind, I had payed a double salida for her, and we left at 8:00pm for my hotel. So, she was supposed to stay until 11pm, right? She left at 1am, and only because she had to work her mall job the next morning, early. She would have stayed all night otherwise. So, she stayed 5 hours. Again, no kids at home, no parents to ask questions. She did not want to leave, no clock watching, no desire to get on her way...just the opposite.

Cost? I agreed to pay her 1500 pesos in the club, so I kept my word, and gave her three 500 peso notes. She took the money, and told me that when we see each other in the future, it would be no money. I asked why, and she said it would not be right, that she wanted to see me for real. I told her no, that Carlos said I must always pay. :-))) And, I will.

Now, this girl was really pretty damned fantastic. But, frankly, compared to my favorita, I would kick her out of bed a thousand times over in comparison. That having been said, I now have four girls lined up that are really quite good. With all the complications associated with pinning down these girls, you really do have to have a range of options. I am working on my range of options, and will probably set something up with "newbie girl" for my next trip.