Monterrey - UnospongeBob's Reports

[El Cazador]

So, now you threaten me physically? Are you nuts?

I avise you before that some people on the monterrey foros have make the reference to you as the antagonista and don't care for you and your know everything attitude. I don't threaten you physically. Like I say to you before I feel sorry for you as I think you need medication.

[Member #3453]

It is not hard to find the gringo puñeta that carries the bag of cookies.

So, now you threaten me physically? Are you nuts?

[El Cazador]

Sorry. This is my last long one. You owe me that much, right? After over 500 posts on your site, posts you directly profit from, you owe me.

I feel that if I am to be publicly ridiculed in the forum in such a way, I am most surely entitled to also be heard. I would have preferred to respond to you without having to reply here in the forum, obviously. But, you brought this up in your chosen manner, and I am curious to see if you will permit me to also comment directly with respect to your public accusations of me. This will be a direct testiment to your fairness.

I will gladly adhere to the published guidelines, and I will make every effort to clean up my act to the best of my understanding, which at this juncture is almost total confusion.

First, lets reiterate a few of the published rules from your own website's "Rules Section." These are reiterated just as they are written in your "Rules Section."

"No Chat Room Style: Please do not write in CHAT ROOM style with all small letters and no punctuation. Please review the Posting Guidelines below for more information."

I always attempt to spell correctly and punctuate properly, and I strive to produce phrasing that is grammatically correct, with the exception of occassional and unintentional typos. I will attempt to limit the cross talk, and have attempted to do so to the same extent as the rest of our regular posters to this section.

"No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member."

I always respond to other posters with the proper level of written etiquette and cordiality, and I NEVER attacK them, not even so much as what has been done to me here within the forum by this most recent posting of the Administrator's comments. IMHO, you have violated your own RULES with respect to having publicly admonished me in such a way, choosing instead to do so at my expense rather than contacting me directly via the PM system or email.

"No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute."

This is not something I do. I do respond to posts that are directly aimed at me specifically, circumstances that are directly soliciting my commentary. I do respond with agreement, polite rebuttal, or polite disagreement. But, never would I attempt to stiffel the comments of others, and NEVER have I been abusive to another poster except in very limited circumstances where the other poster was perhaps also abusing me.

And, even in the case where ONE (1) relatively minor incident occurred, and even though that circumstance is now relatively long past, my policy is to usually remove posts from the forum that I believe in retrospect may have had any hint of malice to them whatsoever, choosing instead to attempt to get along. And, as a personal policy, even though the frequency of such things occurring has been almost non-existent, I always attempt to mend those fences to the best of my ability through conciliatory conversation behind the scenes. And have done so with respect to the one (1) instance of such a dispute occurring.

"No Offensive Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages, images or links that are vulgar, hateful, threatening, racist, or discriminatory."

Where did I do this?

Now, with respect to the issues that you refer to that are not specifically listed as violations of your published rules, but apparently, in your eyes, apply only to me:

"1. Please stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum."

When did this occur? It simply DID NOT HAPPEN! I welcome the participation of other members. Other posters have the same access to post their opinions as I do. How is it possible that other contributors are limited to submitting commentary if I contribute my comments, opinions, and trip reports. That does not make sense. They are not limited in any way. They can post and "save" to the forum without any physical restraint from me. How is it that my comments squelch their participation?

If you mean that disagreement or comments about a conclusion they reach while mongering in Monterrey is a violation of your rules, or that I can not nicely articulate a disagreement or comment with respect to mongering strategy, then there are many others here in this same forum that are equally guilty of the same thing.

WHY HAVE YOU SINGLED ME OUT? Am I not entitled to a polite opinion, or is it preferable that I agree with everything said, even when the commentary leads future readers to make huge mistakes when visiting the venue. I would have thought you would prefer to have accurate and valid information on your site.

"2. Please stop with these long, philosophical discourses espousing your opinions of the other forum members."

I do NOT have long philosophical discussions espousing my opinions "of" other members. I do have thorough discussions about my opinions concerning P4P, mostly concerning strategy, psychology, sociology, logistics, etc. But, in most instances, I have simply defended my own opinions, and only with respect to opinions that are P4P issue related, and usually in cases where those opinions are directly squarely at me for commentary. I have never posted personal opinions about the character, writing style, value of content, or anything else about my "opinions of other forum members," certainly not specifically, and not even in generalities with respect to other members. THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES.

I must also point out that with the thoroughness of my trip reports there is also a thoroughness in my commentary as well. If you don't want to read what I have to say, then maybe you should also add to the rules a clause that limits how much we can say. But, to date, having lengthy commentary simply isn't a violation of the rules. If you can show me in the rules, by my having lengthy commentary, lengthy trip reports, etc. All of which are directly related to P4P, not "politics, religion, etc," are a violation of the rules, then I graciously succomb to your accusations with the humblest apologies, and a sincere desire to rectify my behavior.

But, all of my comments are related to P4P. So, if you respond to me with justification that you are bored with my comments, or don't enjoy reading them in full, then fine. That is a subjective judgement on your part and on the part of my detractors. But, that's not a violation of the rules.

"3. Please stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information."

I would never advise other members to withhold information other than to protect the innocent, and comply with the rules as stated in the "Rules Section" concerning personal information. The purpose of the forum is to "find women." But, I do not interpret that to mean that you mean to provide a forum for us to find them specifically, by individual name. I assume you mean to find women in the general sense. Is that right? Or are you advocating that ISG is not a site to find women, but more a site to pimp women. I doubt you are advocating that ISG be a site to Pimp women. If so, then I stand entirely corrected in my assumptions.

With regard to my decision to contribute specifics, or to request specifics of other members, that is my decision as to how much information I wish to contribute or solicit, and to what specific degree I want requested specific information to be disclosed back to me in a public forum.

My decision to post specific details about girls, or to refer to them in synonyms is entirely my business, as it is also my business when requesting information of another monger that requires them to use intellegent discretion with respect to divulging specifics in a public forum. Again, the use of synonyms is not against the ISG Rules.

"4. Please continue to report on the P4P scene in Monterrey and your own experiences, to include logistics, personal trip reports, opinions about individual girls, clubs, perceptions of the venue, the strategic issues involving P4P in Monterrey, and other venues in comparison."

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! You can't appeal to me to make contributions to your forum because the content of my reports is helpful to your business while simulaneously asking me to squelch what I have to say within some narrowly defined criteria that is specifically designed to "regulate" only ONE member, Unospongebob and no others.

If you have some individuals here that can't stand the content of my opinions, opinions and commentary that I always post with politeness and decorum, and they are hassling you because they don't want to read it, or don't agree with it, or they don't like what I have to say, or they are too lazy to advance the slide bar past my posts, or they are simply too lazy to enter my screen name into their ignore list, then fine. BUT, I AM NOT VIOLATING THE RULES by submitting lengthy relevant commentary.

I have over 500 posts, many of which, along with Carlos, WastedG, MillJust, several other regular posters, and my many friends and other accomplished occassional visitors to Monterrey, all of which, have contributed so much information about Monterrey, and the Mexico P4P scene, that it literally staggers the imagination. Information that you directly profit from as a result.

I am simply a part of what makes this section viable. Period. I don't say that to boast or be self congratulatory, but. Give me a break. I have 500 posts at the Monterrey forum alone, information that you directly profit from.

I think that with respect to my numbers of posts, and the longevity of my contributions, the reputation that preceeds my screen name, you would have thought twice about reaching what seems to me a very premature conclusion with respect to the value of my overall contributions to your site, and that you as a business man, would have used a great degree of discretion in appealing to my desire to be a good citizen of the on-line community. Instead, you abuse my participation and insult me by posting a public ridicule where the charges are totally unfounded.

This is the first and only time you have directly contacted me with any kind of admonission regarding my participation. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE SUCH A PUBLIC STATEMENT? And, do you really have such distain for those of us that contribute prolifically to your overall success?

Fact is, I am truly hurt and offended, not because you or others might not like the content of my postings, but more so because of the way in which the message has been so crassly delivered, with apparently no consideration given for the contributions made over the last five years, contributions that you directly benefit from.

You will probably do the easier thing by accepting the criticisms of my detractors as valid, and I am simply going to be at your collective mercy. Your accusations are totally false and misguided, and you obviously do not read the content of my posts to establish whether the content is in fact as I have been accused, nor have you even made the simple effort to determine that most of the "discourse," as you call it, is directly related to P4P issues, which in NOT a violation of your published rules.

"Discourse" definition per Websters New World Dictionary:

"a formal treatment of a subject, verbal or written."

Are you not aware that all of my recent posts have been in rebutal or agreement with regard to P4P strategy in MTY, opinions between me and my close personal friends, all of which, if even appearing to be malice in nature in the first place, which I doubt, is entirely delivered tongue in cheek?

"5. If you don't have anything nice to say, then please don't say anything."

When did I not have anything nice to say? Where are you coming from, Jackson? Where do you get these accusations? YOU ARE TOTALLY OFF-BASE!

My opinion is that your accusations are lazy, uninformed, unfounded, and arbitrary, the result of a few jealous and vindictive types that advocate my admonission by hassling you through the "reports to the moderator" button, and ones that undoubtedly now enjoy my being publicly ridiculed in the forum for having expressed my views on issues that you say, in your own "Rules Section," need to be related to P4P.

All of my posts fit that description regardless of whether some like or dislike my content. ALL of my posts pertain directly to P4P. I am not discussing religion, politics, gardening, golf, television programs, movies, or any such other extraneous unrelated material other than to directly address P4P, and all it's many nuances. Again, where are you getting your accusations? Have you even read my posts to determine whether the complaints of my detractors have even a hint of validity? Of course not.

Rather than submit to the mercy of my detractors, you and my detractors will be pleased to learn that I might just as easily contribute elsewhere. It is no big deal. Lets watch the forum for the next thirty days to see where it goes. I will just hang back and let the forum proliferate with all the huge volumes of additional information that my commentary is supposedly squelching.

I would not want my comments to be a futher burden on the plethera of information that is out there with regard to Mongering in MTY, and the apparent huge numbers of ISG members that have been formerly stiffeled from posting due to my contributions. God knows, I don't need the information from ISG. I, along with a very select few, produce it. I certainly won't suffer as a result of taking a little vacation from the ISG board to demonstrate that it has an otherwise "dead" existence.

I really doubt if you will permit this post to go to the board to be permenantly published. I realize that this final post is akin to espousing that the "emperor has not clothes." Fairness in being heard is apparently not part of the ISG Rules. None-the-less, I will earnestly make every attempt to adhere to your requests through my own voluntary abstencia from the ISG site in the future.

Here is a little experiement that I, as the only targeted contributor, have every right to engage in. Lets see how the forum progresses in the next thirty days without my contributions. I challenge you to visit the forum in the next thirty days to see just how many formerly "restrained" members have posted here without my participation. I already know the answer.

You call here the moderator lazy, uninformed, false, and misguided. You say the bad words to many people on this foro. You need to watch yourself in Monterrey. It is not hard to find the gringo puñeta that carries the bag of cookies.

[El Cazador]

Greetings UnospongeBob,

1. Please stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum.

2. Please stop with these long, philosophical discourses espousing your opinions of the other forum members.

3. Please stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information.

4. Please continue to report on the P4P scene in Monterrey and your own experiences, to include logistics, personal trip reports, opinions about individual girls, clubs, perceptions of the venue, the strategic issues involving P4P in Monterrey, logistics, and other venues in comparison.

5. If you don't have anything nice to say, then please don't say anything.

Thanks,

Jackson

Please do not be the antogonista to me unspongebob.

[MonterreyDude]

So?
My Obsession girl asked me when I could stay with her all night and a little while ago asked me when we could travel to a beach resort, just she and me.

My answer: yeah, right.

(YES!!! I tell girls offering a "Toda la Noche" a rotund NO!!!)

:-))) Go ahead, I don't have an Obsession Girl...oh, you mean "N" ? Well, she is not an option, not for me, not for anybody. If you get her out, let me know...you will have my sincere respect and admiration for such an accomplishment.

As for staying a month...fat chance!!! Even if I could stay a month, she would have to earn a living, I would have to pay her salary, meet her usual income. She has to eat, her hijo, her mother, her brother, her bills...what will they do? The necessities of life do not stop just because we show up on vacation. I would expect to pay for her time with me. She would not ask any more of me than sustanance.

She is so damned busy lately that it would require a sizeable fortune to compensate her accordingly. But, literally, I think she would like the rest, a much needed break from the insanity of her lifestyle. One month with USB...??? Yeah...Maybe Alcapulco, Cancun, Rio...NOT! at least not Rio anyway! Sand to the beach syndrome....

[Member #3453]

:-))) Go ahead, I don't have an Obsession Girl...oh, you mean "N" ? Well, she is not an option, not for me, not for anybody. If you get her out, let me know...you will have my sincere respect and admiration for such an accomplishment.

As for staying a month...fat chance!!! Even if I could stay a month, she would have to earn a living, I would have to pay her salary, meet her usual income. She has to eat, her hijo, her mother, her brother, her bills...what will they do? The necessities of life do not stop just because we show up on vacation. I would expect to pay for her time with me. She would not ask any more of me than sustanance.

She is so damned busy lately that it would require a sizeable fortune to compensate her accordingly. But, literally, I think she would like the rest, a much needed break from the insanity of her lifestyle. One month with USB...??? Yeah...Maybe Alcapulco, Cancun, Rio...NOT! at least not Rio anyway! Sand to the beach syndrome....

This is a new trend created by yours truly. Me. Wasted ...

I was negotiating a deal with Sweet P. She asked how long I can stay and I replied "As long as I want"
as long as you want? 2 weeks? Can you stay a month?
Sure I can. But while I am here, you do not work.
Will you pay for my time?
Sure I will.

Next day it was a news item as the club. All the girls knew that Sweet P has a an offer for a one-month salida.

Yeah, go ahead Bob, stay for a month.

And I'm taking your Obsession girl out. On my terms .. :-)

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

This is a new trend created by yours truly. Me. Wasted ...

I was negotiating a deal with Sweet P. She asked how long I can stay and I replied "As long as I want"
as long as you want? 2 weeks? Can you stay a month?
Sure I can. But while I am here, you do not work.
Will you pay for my time?
Sure I will.

Next day it was a news item as the club. All the girls knew that Sweet P has a an offer for a one-month salida.

Yeah, go ahead Bob, stay for a month.

And I'm taking your Obsession girl out. On my terms .. :-)

Wasted

Today, when I talked to my Angel Girl, she asked me to come back to Monterrey soon. Last time we were together, she said she needed me to stay longer, much longer...that if I could not live there, that maybe I could at least come back for a month.

A MONTH???

[Member #3453]

you're are dead wrong...i do not drool!!!!!

i may salivate, poquito, but only over hot girls. carlos doesn't know any hot girls. just kidding :-)))

i only frequent a handful of clubs with carlos. i do not drool over the girls at casino, which is where carlos' cabronish methods are mostly in practice, with an occassional exhibition by him in harem, notwithstanding his shannanigans in obsession of course.

but, literally, the girls in his clubs do not generally impress me, not in casino, harem, or obsession, carlos' three most popular hunting grounds. you never saw me drool there, not in any of them.

and, you never saw me drool over at el infinito. i am not permitted to drool there, remember?

where else would you have ever seen me in action? ok, well, there is prestige. but, that doesn't count. i don't have a girl there. i have a shark there, and i do not drool over her, she slobbers on me, getting me to spend ridiculous sums of money on 240 peso tecates, while simultaneously promising me that she will meet me outside.

there is the only place where i throw money around...prestige. but, i am entitled. i never spent a dime there over the past six years. ask all the girls how much of a cheapskate i've been. i drool over nobody there, other than my 240 peso tecate queen, and that has only been the last few months when i had a lot of pesos to throw at her. but, no more. carlos is supposed to put her on notice. he is my hired gun, i mean my hired cabrone.

i cannot but comment here. bob, you are way off and way wrong on 2 things:

1- you may have known carlos for a while, but you are the least observant of him because you are too busy drooling over your girl, any girl. you go blank when a girl sets on your lap. seriously.

2- had you been paying attention, you would notice that carlos is a real cabron when it comes to the girls. he is the kind to take them a side and ***** slap them... figure of speech. but girl fear carlos. they know not to mess around with him ... or me for that fact.

as for the readers reading this reading ... be careful deploying these methods. if the girl turns on you, you are thrown out of the club in a heartbeat.

wasted

[Member #3453]

Today, when I talked to my Angel Girl, she asked me to come back to Monterrey soon. Last time we were together, she said she needed me to stay longer, much longer...that if I could not live there, that maybe I could at least come back for a month.

A MONTH???

Then today, talking on the phone, she asked "when can I come back?" and then she asked how long I could stay, "a month?" she asked.

She knows everything about me now. How the hell does she expect me to get away for a month???????????????????????????????????????????????????

NEWS FLASH....ALL BAR GIRLS ARE CRAZY!!!! REALLY! :-))) Seriously, I think the job is getting to her. Today, she is talking about needing rest, etc...

Just last week, when she is apparently thinking clearly, and she doesn't have my dick in her crotch, she is telling me we are off again...then on again...then off again...then on again...."este es no esta bien para ti, y no esta bien para me..." Thank GOD she is in love with me. At least when I am there, she can not resist.

That damned bar girl job ruins them everytime. I just shake my head at the waste of it all. I may enjoy psychology, but literally, I could be Sigmund "frickin" Freud himself, incarnate, and I would be totally lost in any effort to cure them. But, I am starting to realize that they drive me crazy, and that to contemplate them beyond about a five minute increment is to possible sustain one's own severe psychological damage.

By the way Carlos, you'll be pleased to know that I also called and left a message for my Angry Girl, just to spite you. She will undoubtedly be boasting to you that I called her when you see her next.

And, when you talk to my Prestige Girl, please tell her for me "NO MORE DRINKS," not until she meets me outside, FIRST, as in BEFORE I buy more drinks...and not 240 pesos, not 120 pesos, not 2 pesos. Meet me outside first, or nada en la futura. There...how's that for being a Cabron?

I know, "tell her yourself" you'll say. :-)))

[MonterreyDude]

And you are wrong USB....

At the point in time when I went to visit my girl at the club is when she needed, first of all, money.
Secondly, moral support.

I would never ever dream of getting involved with what ever troubles the girls... no matter if it's quarrels between families or hubbies, etc.

So I just managed to be there, pay her a couple of jarras and privados.
I asked her how everything was going on, if everything was OK.
Nothing else.

There is a point where the girls will be club girls always. Main thing they need over sentimental support is money.
One thing that one has to be on the lookout is sentimental blackmail, which the girls are experts on aplying to the unaware.

And "sisters"??? Never...
I just had to defuse a situation that would have placed me in the middle of a catfight. so I just put them both in the middle of a common problem
You've never experienced that cause the girls you pick never fight for your company and/or money.

My Casino girl saw a stranger sitting with me and the girls are terribly territorial.
For her a total stranger that just walked in to the Casino is someone that should stay in the fringes till she establishes herslef in the club.
Since she is a regular at the Casino, she rules over strangers.

Damn if Wasted and me have experienced this kind of stuff at the Prestige when the local divas would not allow the regular girls to sit with us.
And that was under pain of getting a beating.
And I have been a witness to territorial fights at the Harem... real messy stuff.

Your behavior is not what you describe as being necessary to dominate the circumstances with your girls. IMHO, you showed USB style empathy for your amiga that was hurting.

Remember who knows you...I have been at your side now for six years. And, my observations of your behavior reveal that, often, you say one thing, and do something else...

This will seem contrary to what you might want us all to think, and if so, I apologize for giving away your secret, and making your seem too CARING...

But, you are a kind, generous, and empathetic man, and you are all of this to YOUR girls too, not just to your amigos. I witness it first hand.

While your Mexicano sociology might dictate advise recommending we act a certain way to be in control, those of us who know you see an altogether different behavior in comparison to your advice to us.

So, is it do as I say, and not as I do???? :-)))

Even your example of the hardness of the one girl for the other is flawed. Remember, when the mean girl determined that her "sister" was hurting, she was a softy. My point is, many of them are softies, in varying degrees. And, sometimes, depending on the girl, you can not enjoy that softness without displaying your own vulnerability.

The trick is to "project" a vulnerability that, in reality, is always in check, and to employ your own intellectual superiority to their relatively psychologically infantile games.

That is my point. That we are just as capable of manipulation as they. My problem is, with respect to some, my manipulations, over time, morph into total and complete sincerity, such as with Angel Girl.

Therein lies the danger, provided you suscribe to this all being just a game of "one-upsmanship." But, for me, it is a game of satisfying everyone's desires, certainly my own, but theirs as well. WIN/WIN, that is the name of the game.

[El Cabron 007]

i cannot but comment here. bob, you are way off and way wrong on 2 things:

1- you may have known carlos for a while, but you are the least observant of him because you are too busy drooling over your girl, any girl. you go blank when a girl sets on your lap. seriously.

2- had you been paying attention, you would notice that carlos is a real cabron when it comes to the girls. he is the kind to take them a side and ***** slap them... figure of speech. but girl fear carlos. they know not to mess around with him ... or me for that fact.

as for the readers reading this reading ... be careful deploying these methods. if the girl turns on you, you are thrown out of the club in a heartbeat.

wasted

your behavior is not what you describe as being necessary to dominate the circumstances with your girls. imho, you showed usb style empathy for your amiga that was hurting.

remember who knows you...i have been at your side now for six years. and, my observations of your behavior reveal that, often, you say one thing, and do something else...

this will seem contrary to what you might want us all to think, and if so, i apologize for giving away your secret, and making your seem too caring...

but, you are a kind, generous, and empathetic man, and you are all of this to your girls too, not just to your amigos. i witness it first hand.

while your mexicano sociology might dictate advise recommending we act a certain way to be in control, those of us who know you see an altogether different behavior in comparison to your advice to us.

so, is it do as i say, and not as i do???? :-)))

even your example of the hardness of the one girl for the other is flawed. remember, when the mean girl determined that her "sister" was hurting, she was a softy. my point is, many of them are softies, in varying degrees. and, sometimes, depending on the girl, you can not enjoy that softness without displaying your own vulnerability.

the trick is to "project" a vulnerability that, in reality, is always in check, and to employ your own intellectual superiority to their relatively psychologically infantile games.

that is my point. that we are just as capable of manipulation as they. my problem is, with respect to some, my manipulations, over time, morph into total and complete sincerity, such as with angel girl.

therein lies the danger, provided you suscribe to this all being just a game of "one-upsmanship." but, for me, it is a game of satisfying everyone's desires, certainly my own, but theirs as well. win/win, that is the name of the game.

[Member #3453]

Your behavior is not what you describe as being necessary to dominate the circumstances with your girls. IMHO, you showed USB style empathy for your amiga that was hurting.

Remember who knows you...I have been at your side now for six years. And, my observations of your behavior reveal that, often, you say one thing, and do something else...

This will seem contrary to what you might want us all to think, and if so, I apologize for giving away your secret, and making your seem too CARING...

But, you are a kind, generous, and empathetic man, and you are all of this to YOUR girls too, not just to your amigos. I witness it first hand.

While your Mexicano sociology might dictate advise recommending we act a certain way to be in control, those of us who know you see an altogether different behavior in comparison to your advice to us.

So, is it do as I say, and not as I do???? :-)))

Even your example of the hardness of the one girl for the other is flawed. Remember, when the mean girl determined that her "sister" was hurting, she was a softy. My point is, many of them are softies, in varying degrees. And, sometimes, depending on the girl, you can not enjoy that softness without displaying your own vulnerability.

The trick is to "project" a vulnerability that, in reality, is always in check, and to employ your own intellectual superiority to their relatively psychologically infantile games.

That is my point. That we are just as capable of manipulation as they. My problem is, with respect to some, my manipulations, over time, morph into total and complete sincerity, such as with Angel Girl.

Therein lies the danger, provided you suscribe to this all being just a game of "one-upsmanship." But, for me, it is a game of satisfying everyone's desires, certainly my own, but theirs as well. WIN/WIN, that is the name of the game.

Please read how the girls act under special circumstances.

My most recent conquest, my new hybred GFE from the Obsession was beaten by her former BF, he robbed her and took her daughter by force.
Be it that everything was over in a couple of hours during one day.
She went to the police, police acted... the guy dissapeared but the mother of the guy came over and brought the girl back.

My GF loses money, and a days work and rent is due.
Even if she is still swollen and hurt, she needs to go to work.
The owner of the Obsession tell her she can work at the Casino on the night shift, getting full salary plus commisions.

I go over on Saturday, check on my GF... while am with her, her friends from the Obss are SMSing her wishing her luck.

Suddenly out of the blue my Casino girl comes walking by staring at my O girl, and speaking loud enough I could hear her say "you little piece of stupid sh*t... you god damn MF".

By the second time she came by uttering profane words and sending me to hell over and over again... I just had to settle this, cause she was capble of beating my O girl for nothing.
I caught her by the hand and sat her with my O girl. I told her, "hey, this is my O girl. My Casino GF mutter: "I know she's from Obsession, from the afternoon shift"
(Yes, she had already investigated everything on her "competition" that was stealing me away from her)
And I go on: "She's here because her former BF beat her up".
My Casino girl notices, once sitting down close to my O girl, that she is indeed black and blue, swollen etc.
Her attitude changes on the spot... they are now both to girls connecting by a common link being that the true nasty world that surrounds them.
She gets the story straight, her attitude changes 180 degrees.
They are not friends, but they are not enemies.

Lesson of the story: club girls are so dangerous when not placed in perspective to the "checks and balances" I've been writing about.

All of you mongers go away and come back after weeks of a cool down period you never even consider is process.
I have to deal with the girls on a weekly basis.
No cool down here... I have to deal with them while in critical mass.

[MonterreyDude]

Please read how the girls act under special circumstances.

My most recent conquest, my new hybred GFE from the Obsession was beaten by her former BF, he robbed her and took her daughter by force.
Be it that everything was over in a couple of hours during one day.
She went to the police, police acted... the guy dissapeared but the mother of the guy came over and brought the girl back.

My GF loses money, and a days work and rent is due.
Even if she is still swollen and hurt, she needs to go to work.
The owner of the Obsession tell her she can work at the Casino on the night shift, getting full salary plus commisions.

I go over on Saturday, check on my GF... while am with her, her friends from the Obss are SMSing her wishing her luck.

Suddenly out of the blue my Casino girl comes walking by staring at my O girl, and speaking loud enough I could hear her say "you little piece of stupid sh*t... you god damn MF".

By the second time she came by uttering profane words and sending me to hell over and over again... I just had to settle this, cause she was capble of beating my O girl for nothing.
I caught her by the hand and sat her with my O girl. I told her, "hey, this is my O girl. My Casino GF mutter: "I know she's from Obsession, from the afternoon shift"
(Yes, she had already investigated everything on her "competition" that was stealing me away from her)
And I go on: "She's here because her former BF beat her up".
My Casino girl notices, once sitting down close to my O girl, that she is indeed black and blue, swollen etc.
Her attitude changes on the spot... they are now both to girls connecting by a common link being that the true nasty world that surrounds them.
She gets the story straight, her attitude changes 180 degrees.
They are not friends, but they are not enemies.

Lesson of the story: club girls are so dangerous when not placed in perspective to the "checks and balances" I've been writing about.

All of you mongers go away and come back after weeks of a cool down period you never even consider is process.
I have to deal with the girls on a weekly basis.
No cool down here... I have to deal with them while in critical mass.

[MonterreyDude]

sometimes people amaze me... and i do not mean usb!!!

mongers feel so good when a girl does not charge him that they fail to see that the girl is opting to do it as a way of controling the customer.
but paying a girl is an intricate system of checks and balances.
payment and her being a ho is the only thing that keeps her in check, the only way we can control them.

now, back to usb: "my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe"

this hybred gfe is a knife with 2 edges. very dangerous stuff. can work bad really bad.

this newbie girl is not acustumed to the system, she's almost like a loose cannon inside a house full of cannons waiting to explode.

when my harem girl retired from work, my true hybred gfe that i kept hidden from perverts like wasted, we had a small talk and i told her openly i would not go after her once she started a regular job.

why? cause there is nothing to stop her to get to me. no checks and balances, no more "am a ho" stigma, no more "pay me for sexual favors".

newbie girl is exactly that.
she's a girl that doesn't understand there are checks and balances in place she must stick too.
she's a loose cannon.

usb says: "cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics"

i meant it as defense from the general populance of ho's, the ones out there, waiting to get their hands in your wallet, not the chosen ones.
the ones you have to dicipline, turn them around in your favor.

i think you're right. remember, i've been with angel girl for so long that i have not really practiced any brand of ruthlessness. but, frankly, it is the lack of ruthlessness that set me up with angel girl to begin with. she loves me because i am different. the lack of ruthlessness, cruelty, or meanness is what is required in my behavior in order for them to drop their defenses, defenses that are in place to counter the cruelty, meanness, and ruthlessness of their typical clients. i am engaged in a risky business. it requires significant amounts of effort, work, and vulnerability to achieve hybred gfe such as what i've experienced with angel girl.

i know the bar girls are ruthless. but, i assure you, there is still softness on the inside, deep inside with some, and closer to the surface with others. you can witness it with ones you know very well, ones where you have worked to drop their defenses. and, even with some, if you witness their behavior with their kids, you will notice them exhibit their own vulnerability.

angel girl's soft side did not become evident to me until i dropped my own defenses. it was an absolute pre-requisite to setting up the hybred experience. you simply can not have the hybred experience without it. remember, it took me a year to determine that in angel girl. initially, i had identified her as one of the ruthless connivers...well, not that bad, but definitely a possible "standard issue" bar girl. as a result, i had no interest in her. i believed that initially she was playing her role with me, certainly during the first time i bar fined her, literally a year before we started seeing each other legitimately.

of course, later, i discovered her's was not an act. somewhere along the journey, she dropped her defenses, and we reached a softness between us where ruthlessness, meanness, and conniving do not abide. she was, and is, exceptional. but, not only is she exceptional, she is a-typical of most bar girls. rest assured, i realize she is not typical, and for that reason i am cautious with others of her that might want a place at the usb table. i can spot them a mile away.

already, my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe, although she does not approach angel girl, not in looks, not in personality, and not in shear charm. i will assess her carefully, meticulously, assessments made to a standard that probably few girls could live up to in comparison to angel girl. remember too, even though i have been relatively loyal to angel girl, i've still engaged in finding other options, just as you've advised me carlos. i have other options even now, and some are quite passionate, ones i would consider hot, gfe, etc..., but nowhere near the legitimacy of my affair with angel girl. none of the other options are hybred gfes, yet.

my problem now is, if i am not in love with angel girl, i am certainly in love with her ways. literally, no other options come close. newbie girl literally [CodeWord124] me when we are together, but there is not yet the emotional connection that makes her [CodeWord123] of me the paradise i am used to, certainly not the paradise that is my angel girl. i will probably measure all future girls against an almost unmeasureable standard in angel girl. that is the problem with my making selections now at this juncture, and not in my supposed inability to be cruel, mean, or ruthless.

cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics...that is the lesson of my post. it is the subject that makes my post relevant to the board. if you seek hybred gfe with these girls, it requires you to drop all those macho attributes, to approach the girls differently than your best kept advise. it is what distinguishes you from all the rest. but, by the same token, you expose yourself to significant vulnerability. only you can discern the payoff, and whether exposing yourself to those kinds of vulnerabilities is worth the risk.

[Member #3453]

i think you're right. remember, i've been with angel girl for so long that i have not really practiced any brand of ruthlessness. but, frankly, it is the lack of ruthlessness that set me up with angel girl to begin with. she loves me because i am different. the lack of ruthlessness, cruelty, or meanness is what is required in my behavior in order for them to drop their defenses, defenses that are in place to counter the cruelty, meanness, and ruthlessness of their typical clients. i am engaged in a risky business. it requires significant amounts of effort, work, and vulnerability to achieve hybred gfe such as what i've experienced with angel girl.

i know the bar girls are ruthless. but, i assure you, there is still softness on the inside, deep inside with some, and closer to the surface with others. you can witness it with ones you know very well, ones where you have worked to drop their defenses. and, even with some, if you witness their behavior with their kids, you will notice them exhibit their own vulnerability.

angel girl's soft side did not become evident to me until i dropped my own defenses. it was an absolute pre-requisite to setting up the hybred experience. you simply can not have the hybred experience without it. remember, it took me a year to determine that in angel girl. initially, i had identified her as one of the ruthless connivers...well, not that bad, but definitely a possible "standard issue" bar girl. as a result, i had no interest in her. i believed that initially she was playing her role with me, certainly during the first time i bar fined her, literally a year before we started seeing each other legitimately.

of course, later, i discovered her's was not an act. somewhere along the journey, she dropped her defenses, and we reached a softness between us where ruthlessness, meanness, and conniving do not abide. she was, and is, exceptional. but, not only is she exceptional, she is a-typical of most bar girls. rest assured, i realize she is not typical, and for that reason i am cautious with others of her that might want a place at the usb table. i can spot them a mile away.

already, my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe, although she does not approach angel girl, not in looks, not in personality, and not in shear charm. i will assess her carefully, meticulously, assessments made to a standard that probably few girls could live up to in comparison to angel girl. remember too, even though i have been relatively loyal to angel girl, i've still engaged in finding other options, just as you've advised me carlos. i have other options even now, and some are quite passionate, ones i would consider hot, gfe, etc..., but nowhere near the legitimacy of my affair with angel girl. none of the other options are hybred gfes, yet.

my problem now is, if i am not in love with angel girl, i am certainly in love with her ways. literally, no other options come close. newbie girl literally [CodeWord124] me when we are together, but there is not yet the emotional connection that makes her [CodeWord123] of me the paradise i am used to, certainly not the paradise that is my angel girl. i will probably measure all future girls against an almost unmeasureable standard in angel girl. that is the problem with my making selections now at this juncture, and not in my supposed inability to be cruel, mean, or ruthless.

cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics...that is the lesson of my post. it is the subject that makes my post relevant to the board. if you seek hybred gfe with these girls, it requires you to drop all those macho attributes, to approach the girls differently than your best kept advise. it is what distinguishes you from all the rest. but, by the same token, you expose yourself to significant vulnerability. only you can discern the payoff, and whether exposing yourself to those kinds of vulnerabilities is worth the risk.

prestatement: i had loooong post, but hell!!! i lost it!!!

ok, short version....

usb: "well, some have suggested that if i continue to see newbie girl, i am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that i might be taking advantage of her. and, while i do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, i do contemplate the effects on them of my gfe approach."

let us be real, usb has no meaness inside of him, he can not be disingenous nor he has the capacity to take advantage of her.

this is the stereotype of club girls, that they are dumb... something they are totally not.
you have to be damn cruel and insensible to take advantage of a club girl.
on the other hand, if you are not mean, nor cruel, it is the other way around: the girl will take advantage of you, whether she is a newbie, or a veteran.

hell, you have to be mean, ugly mean to deal with the girls
usb has minimized wasted's and my strategies of aproaching girls in the sense that we have not found gfe.
we know so well that we avoid it like the plague.
we know so well that we have to hit them hard on the head to stop them from controling the situation.

usb has not taken in account that there is a new generation of girls out there that he does not fully comprehend.
that, and again i repeat, makes him an open mark for them.

he's so used to angel girl, that when he tries to go for another one, that other girl, has a field trip with him.

no, usb needs a streak of meaness he will never have.
and he needs it.