Identifying Transvestites

[Barko]

That is bad form and should not be tolerated.

Point taken.

If I hadn't have drawn attention to it, I'm sure someone else would.

You betcha.

One more aside, (and promise I won't beat this up anymore):

Close friend of client; met in Norway. Guy is moneyed up, rational, good looking. Good shape, 40ish, likes the ladies. He makes a trip to Thailand on his own. Meets a stunner at a health club here in Patong Beach. They hit it. Date for a year, go back and forth to Europe together. She had been Miss Phuket the year before, and he is playing Mr. Peacock, HiSo and living large. They get married, paperwork is all in Thai, something seems not right to the Norwegian, no official looking stamps, just some lawyer generated bullshit. He buys a house above Lamai Beach (Koh Samui) in her name. (BTW: Changing name, getting a new ID card and new family paper is easy as anything, just have your paperwork and go through the motions.) Months later, returning from a trip to Bangkok, he finds a load of hormone therapy meds in her travel bag. Big confrontation, she lies her ass off. He sits on it. After talking to friends, he checks medication names online and gets more info. Enraged, he confronts her again, this time going berserk. She finally breaks down and admits to full altered plumbing and lots of silicone. Norway guy then splits, never returns.

"She got the gold mine and he got the shaft. "

It's one thing to be aware of the situation and going ahead on with it. It's another to be lied to and have deal with it later. I think most guys here would go with the former. In general, the Thai way is almost always the latter. Thailand is chock full of these stories, it's all about the con, believe it, live with it, or, be the dupe, and die with it.

Warnings are not accusations. Just a tiny bell of awareness going off in your head because you were warned, is far better than innocently getting in the car because you were blinded by the chrome. TIT: This is Thailand.

[Digi Cam]

After traveling to Thailand extensively the last 6 years, I concur that LB's have certainly grown in alarming numbers and are becoming harder and harder to spot. However, on a recent visit I had the opportunity to have an in-depth conversation with several of the plastic surgeons that we have to thank for this situation. If what I"m about to share has been shared before, I apologize, but if not, I hope people can learn from it. God knows I always appreciate insight in this area. According to these plastic surgeons one of the BEST ways to TRULY tell when one is truly unsure is look at their fingers. 99% of the time a womens ring finger will be shorter than the index.

Meaning if her (his) fingers are the same as yours. Adios LB. If the two fingers are the same size. (which can sometimes be the case. It's a 50/50) The one thing I have to add is. It's pretty damn hard to tell at a club when you're bombed. But at least it helps.

[Cunning Stunt]

How would you guys like to post a picture of your favorite p4p girl (one you know to be female), only to have some heckler accuse you of playing with ladyboys?

This is spot on, of course. How many times have we seen photo's put up of a foxy girl and then derided because she had one of the perceived signs of a lb i.e big hands, prominent adams apple etc, which as you say can put a member off posting photo's for good. That is bad form and should not be tolerated. But this was not a marginal possible lb, but a near sure thing that I'm surprised the guy had the nerve to post.

If I hadn't have drawn attention to it, I'm sure someone else would. But I now regret my action because as a frequent and serial contributor of photo's to this and other Asian photo forums, I should know how some idiots (frequently of the kind who does not post useful material of their own) can use your freely given material against you. Fortunately this kind of sad creature is rare on these boards.

[Cunning Stunt]

... and your characterization of them as such is pure speculation and conjecture.

Well Daddy, I think that the evidence of my own eyes was a little more than 'speculation and conjecture'. Are you really trying to say that this was a photo of a genetic female?

The poster invited those who are interested to contact him about his photo's. Why don't you just do that instead of making fun of him?

Wasn't aware that I was 'making fun'. Just pointed out the obvious.

I don't understand why posters of photo's here must constantly run the homophobe gauntlet whenever there is the slightest suspicion about his subjects. Who really gives a shit? They're not your girlfriends.

I'm no homophobe and although they do not interest me sexually, I do enjoy the company of ladyboys. I answered a homophobic post in the Bangkok thread recently by asking a similar question to yours as to why is there such a kneejerk hatred and fear reaction about LBs? Both posts (and others on the same topic) were promptly deleted by Jackson. I can understand this. It is a heterosexual forum and the subject of LBs is always an inflammatory topic amongst members.

Now you do not accept that this was a photo of a LB, but, like me, you are an experienced man and also like me, you are probably 95% sure that this was no woman. So if this sort of photo is accepted, why stop at a clothed, why not have a naked shot with 'her' bits hanging out. You see my point. Its a slippery slope indeed.

Perhaps we need to hear from Jonny F.

[Barko]

Who really gives a shit? They're not your girlfriends.

Not homophobic. It's because are so freakin many farang dupes that REALLY THINK those guys are chicks.

Sometimes you just have to blow the whistle man, you just have to. We are guys, we don't dress like our mom's told us to anymore, we think for ourselves, and we really don't want to fuck ladyboys. So we red flag the uninitiated to the possibility. MOST guys actually appreciate the forewarned knowledge!

I've owned homes here in Thailand since 1984, Chiang Mai, then Phuket, and a condo in Bangkok. Have seen (and done) more shit than I can ever tell you. Watched things come and go. But the sheer number of katoeys have risen on a escalated permutation far exceeding anything anyone ever thought possible twenty five years ago. In fact, of late, there have been many Thai radio talk shows here in Phuket warning of the number of boys turning into girls just for the money. And yes, it has definitely become a big problem all over Thailand.

Most first timer farang guys don't know any better. They see a hottie, think she is all that, then find out the hard way. Bangla Road, right now, tonight, beautiful warm night; lots of farangs clogging the street, it's alive. There are scores of katoeys out there tonight, some so well done it's incredible, and I will say that even the most seasoned veterans here might never be able to recognize the best. There's even a thread here on warning you how to be able to spot them.

Just doing a shout out. That's all. Reason enough I'd say.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Vittu]

Mine too. The facial structure is unusual for a Thai baby, also seems very tall. And look at the hands. Quite stunning, though.

[Cunning Stunt]

I love to make private sexvideos and photos from Pattaya..

Not saying that she is or not, but something about the look and posture of this one sets my 'ladyboy' radar alarm jangling.

[PauloThai]

hi, i love to make private sexvideos and photos from pattaya, but i am only interested to share them privately with confident. not on webb. if you are intrested to share peer to peer on for ex. skype! take contact with me!

hi micken,

did you take this pics from internet or do you have more private pics of these girls.

if so. please post some here in the isg.

cheers!

[M P Lurker]

Even there you can't totally avoid them. Deja Vu has one for example.

Actually more than one last time I was there. I believe there were 3 but I never spotted all three at the same time. Probably out with some unsuspecting customer. When I see the customer swooning over a LB in the bar like Deja Vu, I always have this impulse to check if he knows what he has got? But usually I think better to mind my own business.

[Tiger 888]

I always recommend Cowboy for newbies as its much safer territory.

Even there you can't totally avoid them. Deja Vu has one for example.

[M P Lurker]

I've seen more ladyboys mixed into the straight bars in Nana Plaza than ever before. I visited a few bars the other night and was appalled by the high numbers. All the Rainbows seemed to be clean, but spotted some at g-spot and lollipop.

I always recommend Cowboy for newbies as its much safer territory.

[Amjeck]

I've seen more ladyboys mixed into the straight bars in Nana Plaza than ever before. I visited a few bars the other night and was appalled by the high numbers. All the Rainbows seemed to be clean, but spotted some at g-spot and lollipop.

[Ryo Saeba]

The following is an excerpt of my Phuket full report

1. Ladyboys were everywhere.

Beside their meeting point in Soi Crocodile, there were some working as bartenders, some working as bar-girls, some working the streets. Not counting those who have regular day jobs in stores and restaurants.

2. Most of them were easy to spot.

The majority are quite obvious (angular face, broad shoulders, too tall.), and I would have argued impossible to mistake them for girls, if I hadn’t seen too many guys walking hand in hand with a very masculine ladyboy at 3 in the morning to believe they all knew who they were taking to their rooms

3. A limited number were very difficoult to tell.

Those who have had the sex change operation and hormones treatment are harder to recognize. Even if you have read the "identifying transvestites" thread here in the Thailand forum; )

On one occasion, far from being drunk, only tipsy really, I got very close myself to take one home: he was gorgeous, well shaped limbs, dressed in a skimpy bikini, feminine voice, feminine body language, we talked for about 20 minutes. He was honest, told me the truth once I tried to barfine him. Maybe I would have realized later, but I can’t say for sure. Damn! He was that hot!

[M P Lurker]

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Also remember, these souls are seldom interested in tricking you. You'll recognize them almost without exception.
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Here, they're hungry but not hungry enough to try fooling you. Besides, if you go to a soapy, you'll get to see before it's too late (and the papasan would never foist a lady boy off on you, anyway) and, in a bar, it doesn't take too much effort to get a crotch feel before you buy.

The only place I think you might run into a problem would be a sleazy blow job bar. They're dark and hungry and you might be distracted by a real girl while something else closes the deal under the table. I'm not saying that is likely but it is more likley there than anyplace else I can think of.
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3) Okay, you think she might be but find her so damned irresistable, anyway, then ask. Better yet, ask another girl. I don't believe the LB will very often lie to you. They don't want to have trouble with you later.
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Medically sound but some of this advice troubles me.

1. LBs can be difficult to spot for the inexperienced. Some are very good looking. They will often not divulge that they are a LB. I see many guys walking with LBs. I can't believe every last one of them knows whats happening. Poor unsuspecting sods.

2. Soapies don't have Ladyboys. The customers are usually mostly Thai and they would not accept it. If a soapy does not accept Thai customers, then could be a risk.

3. I don't know of any blow job bars in BKK that could possibly have a ladyboy. I don't think this is a risk area either.

4. Asking another girl is not a reliable solution. Girls often have a code not to dob in a LB. Its considered rather impolite to do so. They will claim they don't know anything. If they merely suspect they would keep it to themselves. Maybe the bars prohibit anyone from confirming LB status.

5. Soi Cowboy has a very low number of ladyboys unlike Nana and Patpong. The available LBs in Soi Cowboy that I could detect were in Deja Vu (2 or 3). It was all very hush hush! Was fairly clear that the customers were being tricked. Suzi Wong mamasan is obvious LB (I know her well). But don't let this concern you. All girls available are real girls.

6. There are real girls, usually tall ones, who are often acused of being LBs, who I feel sorry for, but if you have any suspicions, just find someone else.
Mistaken original gender occurs very often in Thailand in both directions.

[Animby]

As I prepare for my first trip to Thailand, I gotta tell you this thread scares the hell out of me.

Don't be afraid. The vast majority of these transgendered could never afford the really first class surgery, physical training and psychological counselling needed to really pull it off. And the ones that can afford it are unlikely to end up working in a pickup bar. Also remember, these souls are seldom interested in tricking you. You'll recognize them almost without exception.

Someone mentioned the ladyboys in the Dominican Republic. A very different matter. I admit it's been quite a few years since I was last there (mid-90s) but then most of the ladyboys were only posing. Very few had had surgery or hormone treatments. They had, I was told, become expert at hiding their tackle and getting their johns off orally or somehow fooling them into thinking the man was penetrating a vagina when it was actually an anus. The DR was an amazingly destitute country and this was simply a way to survive.

Here, they're hungry but not hungry enough to try fooling you. Besides, if you go to a soapy, you'll get to see before it's too late (and the papasan would never foist a lady boy off on you, anyway) and, in a bar, it doesn't take too much effort to get a crotch feel before you buy.

The only place I think you might run into a problem would be a sleazy blow job bar. They're dark and hungry and you might be distracted by a real girl while something else closes the deal under the table. I'm not saying that is likely but it is more likley there than anyplace else I can think of.

I hang around this thread because I think it's funny. I even use my medical knowledge to set some people straight. But, in truth, I doubt you'll run into any katoeys you can't recognize. Still, my best advice is this:
1) If you have any doubts, dump her and pick up a different girl
2) If you have to ask, then see rule #1
3) Okay, you think she might be but find her so damned irresistable, anyway, then ask. Better yet, ask another girl. I don't believe the LB will very often lie to you. They don't want to have trouble with you later.
4) If she is so perfectly surgerized that you take her to bed but then put on your miner's headlamp to look for telltale scarring twixt the legs, then you are a damned fool. Stop looking and start fucking!