Identifying Transvestites

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Just went to page one to find out who would bother to start a thread like this.

Turns out Jackson, the lucky owner of this site, did so as a place to park all the nauseating questions and their answers from newbies who ask, 'How will I know?

Well, there appears to be more than enough helpful answers, and we have reached the conclusion that 'making a LB mistake' is not likely to scar us for life, so lets close the nauseating discussion and save the bandwidth for really useful mongering advice?

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Actually, one of the best Thai / English language pages (http://www.thai-language.com/id/133281) writes it (phonetically) as กะเทย ga theeuy.

ก is more like the "g" in "good", not the "c" in "cum".

My long-haired Thai dictionary, and long-term companion (in the 'loom' with me now) says 'K' after she paused for thought, so I will accept Katoey as 'in common usage' and therefore the more legitimate pronunciation, which is what I hear, and what she, as a Thai, hears. Thank you however, for your insightful and useful link, Wolvenvacht.

[Wolvenvacht]

What's a 'Gatoey'? I have never heard Katoey spelt or pronounced with a 'G' by anyone, Thai or otherwise.

Please resist the temptation to reinvent Thai pronunciation, they make it ridiculously complicated enough as it is, with 'Suvarnabhumi' (Suwanapoom) and 'Singha' (Sing).

I apologize if this post seems ridiculous, flamboyant, or reads as if I'm under the influence of 'mood elevators'. But thanks for the personal critique, on the 'condom' thread, it has been duly filed away.

Actually, one of the best Thai / English language pages (http://www.thai-language.com/id/133281) writes it (phonetically) as กะเทย ga theeuy.

ก is more like the "g" in "good", not the "c" in "cum".

[Oliver Kitsoff]

What's a 'Gatoey'? I have never heard Katoey spelt or pronounced with a 'G' by anyone, Thai or otherwise.

Please resist the temptation to reinvent Thai pronunciation, they make it ridiculously complicated enough as it is, with 'Suvarnabhumi' (Suwanapoom) and 'Singha' (Sing).

You know what's also kind of funny? For dudes who clearly get the willies (pun intended) over Ladyboys, you seem to have made some fairly close anthropological observations of the fairy sex. Must have eyeballs like Chameleons if you can suss out all this fake ass shaking, and unbent elbows, and finger length, and on and on, while avoiding that very pushy and flirtatious eye-contact them biatches get up to.

I'm not here to pick fights over this stuff, but since there are now pages and pages of quite funny 'theories' and 'solutions' to this 'problem' I'm 'curious', what's the big deal?

Surely we can all agree they are either ugly as sin and fooling no one, or else they are so very good, you need a whole thread devoted to unmasking them, presumably before they entrap, shame, and sissify you in secret?
So you end up with a chick with a dick, you have two options, politely decline or suck it and see, no need to leap to your death from your hotel room window, honestly. The sun will rise tomorrow.

Anyone care to come up with a non-abusive well thought out answer?

I don't see a problem, no one is asking anyone here to like it, but it's the unspoken fear here that makes me wonder...

I'm comfortable in my skin, gays and trannies don't threaten me, neither do they hold much attraction, I don't spend my days and nights in BKK, or here on ISG, obsessing over whether my potential instant-wife is real or not.

How this is actually going to be an issue at all is also a bit of a mystery. Let's face it, Katoeys usually don't hang out in straight bars. I'm not saying it's never going to happen, but it is not that common.
They are usually outside Katoey venues, or if its a mixed venue, they are braying like *******es, and latching on to any geezer that gets too close, hardly ladylike behavior. I just can't see a bloke ending up with one 'by mistake', and if you do, you are always free to walk away, so what's the big deal here?

[Syzygies]

99% of Gatoeys cannot walk naturally like a woman, but many have exaggerated hip swivelling, so that is first easy give away sign. I think I can spot 95% of Gatoeys through visuals especially related to the way they move, so largely don't even need to talk to them or ask anything.

Like passing a massage shop in Soi 7/1, a little before Dr. BJ. Its blatently obvious that half of the girls sitting out the front were Gatoeys, and I did not look closely enough to determine numbers of real girls. I wouldn't go and ask them. LOL.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

You guys amaze me with all these mumbo jumbo. What happened to just asking them straight out. If still in doubt you can always grope them.

You might lose out on a real girl (who will no doubt be offended) but then again you had doubts in the first place.

Yeah, and the level of paranioa and disgust at LB's is rather high for men who are paying to knob anything with a slit. Get over yourselves, anyone who is so good at impersonating a chick that you need to do all these 'test's' deserves a spin just for shits and giggles. And as Duniawala says, just frikken ask them, Jeezus! This topic would be hilarious if you guys were not actually serious about it all.

[Wolvenvacht]

It's a fact that by far most men's ring finger is of greater length than the index finger! And vice versa for the weaker sex. Check it out if yu have a doubt.

That's my warning sign. Surgery can't change that, effectively.

PM.

That is true generally and due to the prenatal estrogen to androgen hormone ratio in the womb. As such it has nothing to do directly to do with the gender of the person, although men generally were exposed to a higher androgen level in the womb.

But what if Katoey are less masculine because they had less androgen influence before being born? Then their ringer finger would be more "woman"-like. Your test may tell you something, but perhaps not what you expected.

[Duniawala]

It's a fact that by far most men's ring finger is of greater length than the index finger! And vice versa for the weaker sex. Check it out if yu have a doubt.

That's my warning sign. Surgery can't change that, effectively.

PM.

In some countries they chop off the finger when you finger that pussy and cutting the balls off. What would you then?

[Poolmover]

It's a fact that by far most men's ring finger is of greater length than the index finger! And vice versa for the weaker sex. Check it out if yu have a doubt.

That's my warning sign. Surgery can't change that, effectively.

PM.

[Wolvenvacht]

At least, by asking, you will not appear as a psycho asking bending, showing, X-ray, singing to check the voice.

Many people already think that travelling thousands of kilometers to bang fresh sweet young things is the surest sign that you are a psycho.

[BionicMan]

I'm with you on that. If you are going to ask them to do deep knee bends and jumping jacks, why not just ask if they are a man or woman while you are at it? The way I see it, if you can stick your dick into someone then you should be able to talk to them about anything.

At least, by asking, you will not appear as a psycho asking bending, showing, X-ray, singing to check the voice.

[Mr Enternational]

You guys amaze me with all these mumbo jumbo. What happened to just asking them straight out. If still in doubt you can always grope them.

You might lose out on a real girl (who will no doubt be offended) but then again you had doubts in the first place.

I'm with you on that. If you are going to ask them to do deep knee bends and jumping jacks, why not just ask if they are a man or woman while you are at it? The way I see it, if you can stick your dick into someone then you should be able to talk to them about anything.

[BionicMan]

You guys amaze me with all these mumbo jumbo. What happened to just asking them straight out. If still in doubt you can always grope them.

You might lose out on a real girl (who will no doubt be offended) but then again you had doubts in the first place.

Exactly. And apart some well know areas hit by a good percentage of LB FL's, bars do not mix them up much (apart one or two in NEP, well known) with genuine girls. There are LB specific bars in ow Sukh and NEP, so jsut avoid them and their surrounding if that is not your scene.

Or, as Duniwala recommends, just ask. They will be honest and straight telling you if they are LB's. No point going to the room with someone who might kick them out the minute he finds out. It is not rocket science.

[Wolvenvacht]

Also ask them to put their arms straight out, palms up. Women's arms kink out more from the elbows down than men's do. Adam's apples can, and often are, be removed by surgery but I doubt this can be corrected.

Not many people know about this but next time you're in a bar and you definately know it's a girl, ask her to do this and see for yourselves, you will be surprised at this.

Or asking for a blood sample or an RX-photo of their pelvic region.

[Duniawala]

Also ask them to put their arms straight out, palms up. Women's arms kink out more from the elbows down than men's do. Adam's apples can, and often are, be removed by surgery but I doubt this can be corrected.

Not many people know about this but next time you're in a bar and you definately know it's a girl, ask her to do this and see for yourselves, you will be surprised at this.

You guys amaze me with all these mumbo jumbo. What happened to just asking them straight out. If still in doubt you can always grope them.

You might lose out on a real girl (who will no doubt be offended) but then again you had doubts in the first place.