Ho Chi Minh City - Massage Parlors

[Acetech74]

I'm not new to this even this is my virgin post.

I thought you were lucky enough to get out in one piece. First of all, it's illegal for you to do sex-cercise as this in VN or many other regions / parts of the world. Some acted tough and left lives behind for really nothing. They could cut your life short just to teach others, who unfairly treated their girls or disrespected their people, a lesson.

You can post all you want about some bad providers, etc. But keep in mind: you are taking advantages of cheap labor and cheap sex. It's a wild game and sometimes you may need luck to hit decent targets. Don't whine or cry out loud when you receive bad experience from a provider. If not happy, just donate your fair amount and get your butt outa there. In your case, you oughta pay them. You are a gentleman and specially from a western world. If you left bad remarks, stereotype would be eventually generated.

I personally attempted many times 'hit or miss'. Honestly, I missed pretty often. However, I must pay the prices at much higher. In Vegas / San Fran / Honolulu, I would pay $60-$70 for MS & $150-$200 for each girl at AMP. SWs still asked for $120-$160 FS. If I used escort, I'd pay generally $250-$400 for FS with the girl that I liked.

I thought with just $12, I would just make them impressed even I probably wouldn't return. We are mongers. They are prostitudes but they deserve some respect too. It's just a dangerous and risky job. Your real GF sometimes still don't satisfy you. Imagine these girls welcome several guys per day. Sometimes, they girls have bad days too.

PC Out.

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[Mik Hcmc]

Guys,

This at first glance sound very good and I'm not saying its not a good find BUT just as a comparison. I go to a local place near q5 and I have noticed a few even towards q1 on dbp, but my local is a ticket of 70k for 1.5 hrs and I tipp the girl 100k. So if this place is 50k for an hr and its up towards GV then its a bit out of the way. My place is is on NCT towards cholon.

The guys who live near the city center this will be a bit of a hike, You have to go past the airport etc. Its convenient for me as I live about 10minute ride away. The main drag outside my house has about 8 hot toc's and numerous cafe's. I've slowed down to take a look as I ride past but have yet to see any nice young girls, only seen mutton dressed as lamb.

[MutantChicken]

I had passed this place a few times and decided to pop in. I'm glad I did.

Ticket is 50k inclusive of steambath, sauna, showers.

The location is along Quang Trung. Opposite the Mercedes Benz and Isuzu Truck/Van yards. The few times that I've been here I have not been disappointed. This now my "local" MP when I don't want a BJ or 2.

First its not a happy ending MP. The massuests are dressed in white short sleeve button up shirts and matching trousers. You can see their obvious pantie line through their tight trousers.

Upstairs it smells like a hospital. Strong disinfectant smell. A pleasant suprise compared to other MP's. The beds and towel's are clean, Each booth has a fan.

You wear shorts and get a very strong sometimes painful deep tissue massage.
You can tell the massuest to go as hard or soft as you need. Imagine Thai Massage crossed with Shiatsu. Of course this depends on the skill of the massuest.

If you have any sore muscles that need a good massage then don't hesitate to go to this MP.

Guys,

This at first glance sound very good and I'm not saying its not a good find BUT just as a comparison. I go to a local place near q5 and I have noticed a few even towards q1 on dbp, but my local is a ticket of 70k for 1.5 hrs and I tipp the girl 100k. So if this place is 50k for an hr and its up towards GV then its a bit out of the way. My place is is on NCT towards cholon.

[Mik Hcmc]

Hi Mik,

Thanks for the info. Can you post the general location of this Quang Trung St. such as the District it's in? Diadiem has many listings for this street in various districts.

Thanks,

JD

Its in GV. Not sure of the exact address but its between Le Van Tho & way before Tan Son. Its on the RHS as you are heading towards 1A hyway. You can't do U turns as there are the small red/white barrier's. (Though you can still ride down the wrong side)

There is a funky looking hotel around 100m before it, Looks totally out of place, Use that as a landmark and slow down. Theres a rectangle sign Red background iirc on the pavement, I've often missed it and had to turn back.

[Johndao]

Recently found out what a Hot Toc place (a blow and go site) was. Frequented one in District 1 and was the real deal. Not too shabby of a price too. 80k for the entry. Another 50k for the girl. I would like to know of more places like this around district 1. Does anyone have any suggestions or reports?

Congratulations on your find Hoper. 50k is a great and low tip for BBBJ and CIM, happy to hear to you got away with it and let us know how you are welcomed back next time.
'Hot Toc' does not actually mean 'Blow & Go', it means Haircut. 'Blow and Go' in VNese would be 'Thoi va di'. But that doesn't rhyme.
To answer your question, yes, many of us have had suggestions and posted reports, some including addresses, directions and maps. Have Fun!
JD

[Johndao]

The location is along Quang Trung. Opposite the Mercedes Benz and Isuzu Truck/Van yards. The few times that I've been here I have not been disappointed. This now my "local" MP when I don't want a BJ or 2.

Hi Mik,
Thanks for the info. Can you post the general location of this Quang Trung St. such as the District it's in? Diadiem has many listings for this street in various districts.
Thanks,
JD

[Dawg415]

Recently found out what a Hot Toc place (a blow and go site) was. Frequented one in District 1 and was the real deal. Not too shabby of a price to. 80k for the entry. Another 50k for the girl. I would like to know of more places like this around district 1. Does anyone have any suggestions or reports?

Hoper please share the location of this place. Always looking for a new place to go near my home in D3.

[MutantChicken]

Recently found out what a Hot Toc place (a blow and go site) was. Frequented one in District 1 and was the real deal. Not too shabby of a price to. 80k for the entry. Another 50k for the girl. I would like to know of more places like this around district 1. Does anyone have any suggestions or reports?

Mate it would be nice if you quote the street you found it on? . I have access to a few viet language forums and in addition to the english based forums, it would seem the going rate is a 100k tip for the girls for BJ places. So if you have found a place where 50k is 'happily' accepted then id like to know. When I mean happily accepted I don't mean that they don't make any complaints. I personally am 'soft hearted' where even if the girls have commented that they will do it for free or never talk about money, I always give the going rate.

[Hoper]

Recently found out what a Hot Toc place (a blow and go site) was. Frequented one in District 1 and was the real deal. Not too shabby of a price to. 80k for the entry. Another 50k for the girl. I would like to know of more places like this around district 1. Does anyone have any suggestions or reports?

[OzzieSuds]

I make two observations about this whole exchange with In Country and others.

The gal in question was a street walker hanging around a known site near a bridge. Obviously such a SW has pimps and minders where there are criminal minds at work.

She was enthusiastic at first and at subsequent encounters this enthusiasm declined. With suitable awareness we ought to be able to discern this reduction in enthusiasm, question her and walk away if need be. Big head over little head and we all need to learn from In Country's experience.

Secondly with all that is available in Saigon why would you bother with a working gal from off the street? There is so much more to be had without the criminal elements and the risk of disease.

[Mik Hcmc]

I had passed this place a few times and decided to pop in. I'm glad I did.
Ticket is 50k inclusive of steambath, sauna, showers.

The location is along Quang Trung. Opposite the Mercedes Benz and Isuzu Truck/Van yards. The few times that I've been here I have not been disappointed. This now my "local" MP when I don't want a BJ or 2.

First its not a happy ending MP. The massuests are dressed in white short sleeve button up shirts and matching trousers. You can see their obvious pantie line through their tight trousers.

Upstairs it smells like a hospital. Strong disinfectant smell. A pleasant suprise compared to other MP's. The beds and towel's are clean, Each booth has a fan.

You wear shorts and get a very strong sometimes painful deep tissue massage.
You can tell the massuest to go as hard or soft as you need. Imagine Thai Massage crossed with Shiatsu. Of course this depends on the skill of the massuest.

If you have any sore muscles that need a good massage then don't hesitate to go to this MP.

[Wendella]

Reading about In Country's experience... I can understand his wanting to leave, and while it might not have been wise on his part to do that, in terms of self-preservation, I think it was fair and what should be expected by this girl after what she pulled. (Shaking the girl and throwing her around is over the line though)

Remember, she got a call from downstairs that the time was up. So this means the whole thing was pre-meditated, planned. She needed to have that set up with the guy at the hotel front desk. Anyone knows 10 minutes is not one hour, so when they did that, of course they would expect trouble. Also keep in mind that this thing was set up with the boys downstairs when the girl was expecting to get the money up front. So one reason they let the guy go so easily was because they figured she got her money already, no problem.

Anyway, I've seen behavior a bit like that in the past from girls at that location or ones like it. Just the most outrageous things possible in terms of refusing to give the services offered, and this from first-time ones. And paying up front does often (but not always) encourage that kind of thing. (I've also gotten amazing performances from ones I paid up front -- never say never).

In those cases, the ones that go very bad, Im pretty sure it's nothign to do with me personally -- maybe it's that the girl hates her job and this is her way of showing it, maybe she doesnt want to go with foreigners, maybe she's on some kind of drug that have her behaving like a nut (this was pretty certain for some--prob the most common factor).

Anyway, for what IC describes, one like that who turned me on a lot in the looks dept. (which I guess is the case since IC keeps going back to her despite the bad experiences), the first time with her I'd give a nice tip so she had a good attitude next time. If she took that tip, which we both know is above and beyond what's called for, and had a bad attitude the 2nd time, ok then that surely is no go.

IC -- one point you made that we're all aholes -- that may be, but there's degrees, and limits for most of us. I dont say that meaning to lecture more, just that its a rationale that doesn't really hold water. Take it a step further, if we're all aholes and what we think is BS, then why come here and ask what we think.

Anyway, that said, if it was me, I might also have left without paying. And I'm usually pretty generous, polite, respectful. There's times when it's just so obvious that they're only taking the [CodeWord140], you feel like a fool doing your part when they're refusing to hold up their end of the bargain. Also, for the critics here, there's ways a girl can signal her non-interest, like not smiling, turning her head, nodding no, etc. I'd be curious to see what the girl did at the moment IC picked her up. Smile? Or one of these non-interest signals?

The MO of the girl might suggest non-interest -- or it might suggest she just has quickly developed a very bad attitude. Or drug habit. Or whatever.

[In Country]

Ahh, there's absolutely no need to apologize. Seriously. The comments are good and while they're not completely without barb, I'm a big kid and it's fine.

I've got a whopping 7 posts now? I definitely know when I'm noob at something, and if you look at my earlier posts, you'll see I'm a total beginner at this stuff. I'm not being pissy so much as I'm standing my ground on how I, as a westerner, would have handled it. Granted, thats why I came in "here" and asked for input- even I am not that oblivious to the reality that "we're not in Kansas anymore Toto".

I don't know how it works and as you guys have pointed out, things escalate much differently out here than they would in the states. Some things I can guess at but some of the things you guys have said have honestly never occurred to me. So in those regards, I appreciate the feedback and commentary.

To address the "Mutually Beneficial" portion of CM's comments. I find it peculiar that you somehow think that all of this is copacetic if you somehow pay them what they want. It's one thing to not realize, but it's another to try and rationalize it to the point where you think you are somehow not culpable of the ugliness that is prostitution. As you yourself pointed out, its a criminal enterprise. That's fine, I accept that interpretation. But in accepting that, wouldn't you think that there's absolutely no fair play in it for the girls. The girls get used, abused and when they're of no good, they're discarded like bad produce. Unfortunately, we as westerners propagate this. You're seriously deluding yourself if you think that by playing "nice" you don't partake in this ugly cycle. This isn't' the States where girls have more freedom to get into and out of the industry. In SE Asia, its often indentured servitude where there is little to no choice. Every time we pay for it, we continue the cycle. You somehow think that by paying them what they ask, there's some kind of absolvement for you? That it is "OK" since they got what they wanted and that as long as they're all smiles that you've done "right"?

I posted up my experience on this board to get the feedback on how to avoid this kind of stuff and what to look out for. The indignation comes when you question the fairness in which we play this game. Somehow you think by playing it "your" way, you're somehow less guilty or morally justified? Give me a break. To me, thats even more appalling as you somehow think it's "ok" that you do what you do. I may be a noob at this mongering thing, but I do respect the experience of others and what they have to say (even yours). I just don't have much patient when it comes to discussing the morality of what we do. It galls me to think that people rationalize the superiority of their mongering.

I know I'm an ahole, I wholly accept that. In this game of "mongering" I'm learning that you win and you lose. It's a lot like life, no? But to me, that does NOT equate to me wanting to ever lose. Mistakes happen but I try to learn from them and I try to avoid them for the future.

[Hyatt]

@In Country, and others

Everything has been said.

But, about not paying the girl, dude, let me tell yu: give her the fucking 18 bucks she wants and BE SAFE.

Same kind of stories happened to a friend of mine few months ago. Big guy, tall and kinda ruff. He refused to pay a girl who gave him extremely bad service.

What happened to him is everything but cool to hear.

As said right below, this is a criminal entreprise. Don't mess around.

Saigon River is full of braves, you know. And you're not safe because you're westerner.

Be safe man. This is not home. This is fucking Vietnam.

[Chocha Monger]

the honesty is appreciated (whether i agree with it or not).

i really wasn't looking for redemption, or a lecture really so much as i was curious to see how others would handle this- more of a "what should i do" versus a "you fuked up" kind of mentality. seriously, we're all aholes who go around paying girls for fs. do you think you're being robin hood by banging them nicely and giving them money? it's a service industry. if you pay for service "x", then you should receive service "x", not service "y"

this whole matter stems from agreeing to a service and then not delivering. in this case, i had already paid for the hotel and as usual, she had tried to ask for the whole amount upfront. this is why i never do that anymore. i mean, isn't that the standard mo. you pay up front, they bail on you. instead i went the route of "you deliver, you get paid" i don't even flinch about the price if i get what i want. cmon, it's stupid to think that 300k is a lot of money. that's not even $20 us dollars. the actual money is not the point.

there was no grey area when she said, "the hotel said your hour is up, it's time to go". she wanted the session ended. if both parties agree to something and money is exchanged, how would you feel if the agreement were changed before it was finished? the term "cheated" comes to mind. if she were worried about her pimp beating her, she should have not compromised the deal by trying to end it early.

i'm typically very upfront that if there's anything she doesn't like, she tells me now and/or tells me during the session. the little spinner had seen me a few times so she knew what to expect. if my style had not been to her liking she could easily have not gone as i contact her cellphone directly and not her pimps. she can say, "no" and nobody would be the wiser. another option is for her to ask for more money. what is not acceptable is for her to take my money for a service and then not deliver. i don't care if she's crippled, handicapped, one eyed, one armed, one toothed. what the hell does that have to do with striking a deal and then not living up to it? the tone in these "respsonses" seems to indicate i should have known she was going to cheat me or refuse more than 10 minutes of sex when we had agreed to the whole hour?

i find it somewhat hypocritical that there's even a semblance of "righteouness" or fair play. we're not here to make the world a better place. we're here to pound girls for cheap as it's acceptable and easy by vietnamese standard. to me, it's sounds ridiculously incredulous that there's "concern" about what these people go through. from the treatment by pimps, handlers, customers- if you're going to be honest, be honest with yourself first. take a look in the mirror and see if you're not the same "monger" that's going around propagating the "industry". we all partake and we all contribute and then at the end of the day, we all go back to our happy little homes with our us dollars and not worry about what happens to them.

in country:

you asked for our opinions and you got it but you seem a bit pissy now. what i suggested in my response is how i would have handled the situation. it might look like i am taking sides here but, believe it or not, what i said to you is for your own protection. you could have easily been stabbed by a pimp waiting downstairs or the authorities could have gotten involved. would that have been worth it for you based on matter of principle? yes. you should have had an idea that you were going to be ripped off. you noticed a trend of declining service and you ignored it. part of mongering is learning how to avoid bad situations. the guys who are clueless and focus solely on pounding cheap pussy will eventually walk into traps. in this game you win some and you lose some. sometimes you have to take it on the chin and accept your losses just like in any other business.

you complain about moralizing but isn’t your argument that you were cheated based on your feelings about right and wrong? another thing is that assumption that we are all the same because we pay for pussy is erroneous. some of us actually do care what happens to them and we try to make our dealings with them as mutually beneficial as possible. others just want to pound their holes and wear them out as much as they can for as cheap as possible. there are some that fuck and take off without paying just for fun. one guy on the thailand thread boasted about doing this and speeding away on his moped.

it’s not a “service industry.” it’s a criminal enterprise so you shouldn’t be surprised that there will be attempts to rip you off from time to time. if it was legal for you fuck girls cheaply according to “vietnamese standards” you wouldn’t have to sneak around and hide from law enforcement to do it. back in the us you’d be prosecuted for picking up that prostitute. so leave your righteous indignation at home. if you don’t genuinely want to hear other views on your actions don’t ask for them. the rest of us will respectfully ignore them.

good luck,
cm