Bangkok Reports

[JayFung]

Well, except for it is the Asian man that is now getting exploited by the local Asian females. And if you are worried about P4 P gals being exploited, then why are you on this forum?

Never said I'm worried or bothered by it, neither side was forced into making the transaction; it's a simple function of supply and demand. And now, the rising price is always due to simple supply and demand. Asian men aren't being ripped off, they're clearly paying what they're willing to pay, to get services that they want (rather than what the western clientele wants).

[SuperLove]

I visit Thailand twice a year for work and pleasure. Don't offer much to this forum as sex is pretty much in the face and one usually has no problems finding a hole in Bangkok.

Feel 2000 is a pretty good deal for this chick considering its LT and she allows you to do everything, I don't find her ugly unless she has tonnes of make up on her face. Wondering what's good and excellent for you.

Keep writing.

Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country.

So in a last ditch effort, I scanned the bar and decided to go for the ugliest girl at Biergarten. She was sitting alone at the main bar beneath the big TV screen. No one was interested in her it seems. I walked up and I said "Hello," in a weak voice from sadness of being rejected all night and we started a conversation. She wasn't a beauty at all, so I had a hard time concentrating on what to say without looking at her hideous face. But it was getting late and I was desperate. In the end, she agreed to go with me long time for 2000 baht. Her services were okay, but I had to close my eyes plenty and think of porn to arouse myself. She did BBBJ and CIM, so I was able to close my eyes and enjoy without looking at her face. Sex wise she was passive and submissive. Too much work for me. She's about 5'3" and less than 100 lbs, shaved and likes to be tossed around during sex. I'm too lazy for that crap.

[Goatscrot]

I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.

Yes, it is and that is one of the problems. There are fewer and fewer residents. The percentage of tourist mongers vs the percentage of resident mongers continues to change in favor of the tourists, which is to the detriment of the resident in all ways. Can't wait till the mainland Chinese dudes invade the bars. They are demanding, loud, and will present quite a shock to the gals. They will long for the days of Western mongers. But since they alienated that customer base, they won't have the option.

[Goatscrot]

It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

Since my two regulars left the biz, well over two years ago, I have not found any replacements. And it is not due to lack of looking and trying.

[Goatscrot]

In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

Agreed. In fact, I think it is quite the opposite. The more money you throw at them, the more foolish they think you are, and they will know they can get away with providing less.

[Goatscrot]

Let's be honest. Thailand and most of Asia was exploited by the West, one way or another, because of a disparity in military and economic power. Now that Asians themselves have enough wealth to prop up their own economy, isn't it a little hypocritical to complain about the fact that Westerners can't exploit them as much as before?

Well, except for it is the Asian man that is now getting exploited by the local Asian females. And if you are worried about P4 P gals being exploited, then why are you on this forum?

[Syzygies]

But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall.

Ha ha. I received plenty of criticism on descriptions of how I interact with bargirls, and people described it as "the theory of mongering" which it was not really supposed to be. Each guy has their own way of trying to reduce the "mistakes". It has got to the point that it becomes very hard for me to convinced a girl will be good for me. LOL I certainly don't have all the answers on how to screen girls. I am preferring experienced girls these days. If I don't get the feeling the girl is both good looking and wanting me badly, I might just pass. LOL I exaggerate a bit.

Reports on girls I have not tried, could be useful to me, if any turned out to be my spec. Very few stunners with great GFE ever got identified. Lack of sharing maybe? I always had to find the best lookers to my taste for myself. From my recollections, I always reported on the best lookers I tried before anyone else did, or I just found them independently, in the odd case. So I never expect to get a useful new girl tip.

[MonkeyPaw]

Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country..

Forgot to mention she was into role play and sex wear during our sessions. I guess any helps to distract from her looks.

[EihTooms]

It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

Yes, I would say the kind of info you mention there is very useful on the forum. And there is no push that I can see trying to curtail it. Just a gentle reminder that what triggered this latest discussion on the subject was whether or not certain insightful and IMO useful observations of the scene overall were worth citing as posts of distinction. We certainly ought to be reporting the things you cited above and appreciating them. But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall. Although I could see a truly epic bit if intel on many bars and clubs hitting that standard.

[Syzygies]

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.

It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

[EihTooms]

In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

I guess this is where the highly subjective definition of "GFE" comes into play again. I don't know exactly what Klassic meant by his term "extreme GFE". But if it is anything like my oft-used term "Real GFE", then we are talking about the BBFS kind of GFE or, in some cases BBBJ+CIM, perhaps even with a Swallow finish. Offering to pay more money to the same working girl above her going rate IF she will deliver those services can go a long way to making those things happen for me when otherwise my experience with the girl tells me it wouldn't. True, that doesn't mean throwing the extra money at her will improve the girl's attitude, cause her to become nicer, friendlier and so on as the term "GFE" is often used by others.

As someone who will not experience a finish wearing a condom no matter how nice and friendly the girl is and won't agree to pay money to cum outside a woman's body (as in with a HJ, COB, whatever), I love it when the subject of that kind of Real GFE is raised during a brief negotiation and her reply is simply, "How much you pay me?", knowing full well she is merely looking to be paid an extra amount above her usual going rate to make that kind of GFE happen for me. We're generally not talking about huge multiples more money here. Usually, just an additional 500-1000 baht will be plenty extra, even with go-go girls. For those who will do it at all, that is.

This might be a good place to mention that the term "negotiation" conjures up images of some cold-eyed stand-off between tough characters in an International Summit Meeting or barking prices and services back and forth like in an auction house. But that isn't even remotely what I am talking about with regard to a "negotiation" on services with a P4P girl. This is, after all, about sex and intimacy. There are ways of doing it calmly, respectfully, with a cute, fun, casual attitude that makes it more inviting for the girl to say yes instead of no in the first place. Keep that in mind when you are essentially "asking" the girl to be more intimate with you in bed than she might otherwise be with customers, which is really what the negotiation on P4P services is all about.

[JesseJames]

The sex is gone boys!

Maybe for you and the way you do things. For me. It's great.

[JesseJames]

The sex is gone boys!

Maybe for you, your techniques and way of doing things. For me, it's a beautiful thing.

[Haven123]

Yep, a big down side to Thermae is not knowing what is under those clothes.

A couple of summers ago, my buddy Banana Boi hooked me up with a friend of one of his Thermae regulars. This girl is a knockout with her clothes on and usually only goes with Asians. The Japanese guys snap her up minutes after the place opens.

Unfortunately the poor little thing has some of the worst baby damage I have ever seen. As pretty as her face is it did not make we want to repeat.

You in Patts already? Your mailbox is full Uncle.

[Sunlover2]

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

Actually they consider punters who throw around money like that chumps who do not know the local prices. It can also be seen as showing off and / or a negative judgement (causing loss of face) on their everyday business practice.

SL.