Pattaya Reports

[LocalExplorer]

OK, so I see there is some competition and perhaps even conflict between some of the users, but I don't plan to take sides. I'm just here to write about my own experiences and to pass answers to questions that I asked myself recently, and that I feel can be helpful to others. I won't be posting detailed stream-of-consciousness what-I-did-today stories, I'll try to extract and group information together by subject, so it's more of a compendium of sorts, or just random short recommendations. For people like me.

So today is about Pattaya's gogos. I was curious what the differences are and why I should go to venue X vs venue Z. I mentioned liking Kink and having been a fan of Windmill, but what about all the rest? I focused on LK and the wider Buakhao area, as opposed to Walking Street, which is known for now being a focal point for families on holidays, men who have never been to gogos etc. Although to be fair, the ones in WS are so numerous, they can't all be just tourist attractions!

Throughout a week or so, at around 9:30 PM (sometimes slightly later), I would visit one or two gogos to start the evening, drink a beer, perhaps buy a lady drink, have a little chat and move on. So it was rare I would ask about stuff like barfining, I was interested chiefly in the entertainment. I visited: Kink, Sugar Sugar, Dolls LK, Las Vegas, Paradise, Crystal Club, and Fever in LK; Red Hot & Blue and Stunners in Buakhao; Playgirlz and Heaven Above in Boomerang and Windmill in WS. I also visited Pinup previous time around and. Katoeys Are Us, out of curiosity.

My general conclusion is that non of these clubs are bad, I would claim the differences with few exceptions, are mainly about how fully dressed the women are (all full bikini; all full bikini with 1 dancer topless. Which was the case in Crystal Club I believe; all topless), how much pressure the staff puts on you to buy drinks, and how open to having a laugh the girls are. But that might depend on your luck, time of the day etc. - you definitely want to consider coming back later if the place is empty. Feel free to do a self-guided gogo crawl, it's probably the simplest method.

So what are the exceptions, outliers and funny visits?

Kink. Obviously!

Stunners. This is my new catch. It's a very small (narrow) gogo, and located pretty far from LK, separate from all the other venues. It's essentially "the local gogo", just like you have your local shop, your local library and your local pub. The customers are in large majority living locally (mainly farang), the atmosphere is light and unofficial, the girls are chatting even when on stage, but it's in a good way, the customer doesn't feel left out. It's a low-stress atmosphere. The mamasan sat next to me and started talking, which at first made me wary, but turned out she just really wanted to know what I'd like. I didn't really tell her, but the first girl to approach me seemed pretty good looking, but most of all extremely friendly, so I bought her a drink. It was fun, so when she offered for a friend of her's to join, I agreed. The girls were very easy going, eager to please and easy to joke with, and I found ways of making the first one burst out laughing consistently absolutely every single time, at wish. What can I say, that was a lot of fun! The funniest part was when they looked at my drinks' bill (reasonable.) and they were alarmed. But that just tells you what type of customers they have.

Windmill. Two years ago I loved it even more than Kink. The girls were perhaps not as good-looking as in Kink, but they were wilder and more enthusiastic. Some would look at me as if they're just going to rape me there and then! This time around, a bit confused by the changes and the 2 Windmills, I entered the new Windmill on the left, were I was shoved (gently, but still) by staff to a table on the ground floor, before I could even look around. I got high-pressure drink requests, but there wasn't much happening, not as much as in Kink anyway. Well, I drunk up my own beer, payed and left. 
 A few days later I rolled by, this time I avoided the crowded staff in front of the "new" Windmill on the left and pointed straight to the "old" Windmill. They got the message. Anyway, I went in, and straight upstairs. There were 8 girls who forgot to put on their underwear standing on the main stage, and 2-3 more girls sitting naked in an extension of the stage. Customers close to the stage were mainly 60-year old local expat regulars, all drinking their draft beers, just 1 or 2 buying LDs, but all pretty happy. I bought an LD, got a lap dance and some touching, it was quite OK, but Kink still wins for me. At least this time around. But if you stay closer to Walking Street, might be worth a try.

Sugar Sugar. Mentioned in a previous post.

Playgirlz. I felt somewhat out of place there. It wasn't too crowded, but I was actually told twice "you can't sit here" without being told where I can sit. But ah well, perhaps they were having a bad day. Anyway, I sit down, get offered the card, and the first pages are bottles of alcohol for 5000 THB etc. , before I get to the beer section at the very end. Hmm. Then there are these ladies walking around with enormous bunches of fake plastic THB bills around their necks. I've seen similar in other gogos, but these were much larger. It was all screaming, at least to me: spend all the money you have. Yes, I know that's their brand, and I went out of curiosity, I can even imagine customers who will want to throw around that cash! But honestly, I was hoping for something more eccentric, like (fake) pearls everywhere, gold paint, some sort of throne and crown for the big spender. Perhaps something more gangsta, like in 50 Cent's PIMP music video! Either way, curiosity satisfied.

Red Hot & Blue. Gogo / GC hybrid, or that's how they market themselves. It was pretty empty, I was the 3rd or 4th customer. There was one guy, perhaps Indian, who did not abandon eye contact with his phone even for a second for a good 15 minutes, and looked very sad. A roughly 55-year old white man was playing Connect-4 with a lady (in a gogo! And I think there was an Asian customer just sitting with a beer. Three ladies were prancing on a mini-stage, no eye contact with anybody. Actually, I was having a good time and giggling, because it felt a bit like a scene in a movie. Hoping to lighten up the mood, I started prancing myself, the 3 girls eventually caught on, synched with me and smiled. Even the Indian dude took eyes off his phone and started laughing, clapping and waving his arms. Yuppie! I sat down with a smile. The waitress ran up to me and asked: 3 lady drinks for the ladies? Well, no. I answered. - Oh! - answered the waitress and ladies, and they all immediately left to smoke cigarettes outside. It was still a memorable and fun visit, but not for the reasons I'd imagined. Might be more conventional fun when crowded.

Heaven Above. Supposedly a gogo / GC hybrid. Some of the girls are stunners as per reputation, yes, but most are pretty average IMHO, and I noticed one that I would rate as a 3. The girls mostly dance on the table (well, they bend their legs), which I've been told is a wonder for leg lovers, but not for me. The girls are pretty insistent about drinks. It's worth noting, that this club does have its wild enthusiasts. I'm not quite sure where that comes from, I did not notice any giggles, shenanigans, or enthusiastic conversations, mostly topless women sitting next to men and sipping on their drinks. But ah well, whatever rocks your boat! I bought a drink for one young girl, but all she did was sit next to me, nod her head and sometimes smile awkwardly, with very little conversation despite some level of English. I wasn't very happy, but indeed I should have tested the water more: my bad! So I tried switching to an older lady who kept catching eye contact with me and smiling and smiling. But somehow her enthusiasm subsided, and then she misunderstood my lady drink orders. Nothing terrible, but all together that was a bit of a mood killer. Of course I could have sorted it out with the boss, but I just felt like moving on to the next place.

Katoeys Are Us. I went there 2 years ago or so, it's a ladyboy gogo. Yes, I went there on purpose, although I have (nor had) any sexual interest in ladyboys. I don't know how things have changed since then, but if they haven't changed too much, I'd recommend a visit if you're a tourist! Just be nice, and absolutely never laugh in their faces. That's universal advice for interaction with anyone, but I just have to mention it. So preferably, go there before drinking and not drunk. The performers were very nice, no pressure whatsoever, and it was all interesting, a one-time experience that satisfied my curiosity. I even bought a LD (or LBD) for some conversation. It was quite the opposite experience of what you might think passing by certain spots in the Buakhao area. Anyone who's been to Central Pattaya must know what I'm talking about.

Pinup. Also visited 2 years ago out of curiosity, but I hear from other forums that little has changed. It's mainly a pickup spot for the hottest and most pricey stunners, visited mostly by Asian customers. It's worth buying a beer and spending 20 or 30 minutes just looking at the scene, even if you don't plan to "buy".

[SubCmdr]

Now as to SubCmdr, who should more appropriately be called Snipebuttboy, you may want to exercise due diligence and do a little research on some other boards, specifically those dealing with the United States. I'm sure you'll be amazed, not that it matters one way or the other because it's the internet.

As for Nyezhov, who should more appropriately be called WHWMF (White hoodie wearing mother fucker), I would find it interesting here an expansion of his comments since I have not lived in the (Dis) United States of America for over 10 years. Where as he has been in one area of the world for 30 years, I have been traveling the world for over the last 30 years. Yes, I have built quite a body of work that covers four countries on ISG.

He is full of negativity. I am not. I will not put up with his false accusations that I engage in criminal activities, impersonation and abuse of girls. If that is how he choses to think, in order to live and get by day to day (because of reasons) that is on him. But rest assured that his opinions of me and accusations are not based on on shred of evidence or fact. He cannot even figure out if I am a tourist or not. Or if I have ever visited Pattaya. Those statements were made in his own words in his posts.

The only thing anyone should be amazed by is how I take my time to share quality information with the readership. Actually none of us need to. This was originally posted in the Pattaya Reports thread. No one has pointed out a single factual statement that I have made that is untrue. That is what is valuable. It would also be interesting to can you please explain how you have so much to say about Pattaya but in your own words say that you have not been to Pattaya for the last 10 years. All of this is ok, because according to him it does not matter one way or the other as this is the internet. Therefore what he has to say about me does not matter one way or the other as this is the internet. Funny how that works out.

[Nyezhov]

What's with all the welcome (not!) posts? SubCmdr wrote something nice, and I appreciate that. I see he's consistently complementing posters with words like "solid report! " That's great, if you do want your forum to stay alive and fresh, with new posters and members. Or do you prefer not to? There's a lot of specific info on this forum, but it's difficult to find and often a few years old. It's also pretty scarce at times for people like me, who want their insane extended holiday experiences, but without going bankrupt.

I remember some crazy reports from Soi Bongkot 8 a while back, and that was exactly the type of info I look for! I'm just not that guy sitting in a beer bar, all excited about having met a lady who genuinely really likes him (not!) , or one who will boast about his LT going clubbing with him or alternatively. Cooking dinner for him. Pattaya's a big place, and there's a lot happening. You might not be aware of everything.

I see that allegations about never having visited Thailand are kind of regular here, with even Banana Boi (over 6000 posts) joking about it. Yup, it must be a full-time job making up so many stories in a way that they can be believable. Anyway, I did get worried I wrote a bit too much below, but then I browsed through other posts and it doesn't seem so. Do tell me if I'm wrong!

All righty, time for some recommendations (please note, these are totally random, the ones most easy to review with few words):

Las Vegas Agogo. I won't be a regular, but it might be just the place for you! The girls are pretty good-looking, they do make an effort to get drinks and give enthusiastic lap dances, there's lots of grinding, hugging, and friendly conversation. But most of all, customer service is first-class, the waiters really make an effort to make sure you're happy, and suggest a new drink only once. They also bow their heads East Asian style, which it makes it all seem very polite. (Yes, it's too easy to guess why they do it).

TF again. Got a very nice 20-year old Lao lady, very thin and small (she might have been a few years older, but there's no telling). Spoke no English whatsoever (Google Translate works well) and seemed absolutely elated at meeting a rather fat white man well older than her. The kissing, the hugging, the smiles, the laughter, all the way to the end. After which she went to the bathroom and came back fully dressed ready to go. That was not totally unexpected, she deserves an Oscar for acting, but who cares, it was great! Another win for TF! Had she not dropped out of character after the finish line, she'd be coming back soon, perhaps for LT. TF Sweetheart ignored my messages for a day or two, all while sitting online on TF all day, but seems she wasn't having that much luck, she's interested again and probably coming back today or tomorrow.

Dude, after 30 years of Southeast Asia you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can tell who is full of shit and you can tell who isn't. You can even tell who's never been here before and has nothing to add other than made up bullshit. It could very well be that I am jaded, but after being on this board since it's inception, I have read more fantasy porn than any human being should possibly be subjected to. The fantasy porn adds nothing to the sport as far as I am concerned but I don't make those decisions nor is my input even wanted or needed. But, whatever floats your boat.

Now as to SubCmdr, who should more appropriately be called Snipebuttboy, you may want to exercise due diligence and do a little research on some other boards, specifically those dealing with the United States. I'm sure you'll be amazed, not that it matters one way or the other because it's the internet.

[SubCmdr]

Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .

You are welcome my man! It is always a pleasure to see a new poster take the time to share his experience and quality intelligence.

As for the negativity that is displayed by some posters towards me, I do not understand it either. They have never taken the time to share with me or the readership in general why they have become my personal critics. But it is not important. As it is not the critic who matters. It is the men like you and me. The men in the arena. Making the effort to share quality intelligence.

I can see that you like to party the same way I do. I appreciate the details you give for each venue and I learn a lot as this is my first visit to Thailand and I am new poster. LOL!

Right now I am spending time in Pattaya, having some fun. My trip is all about sex, and partying! And by "partying" I mean drinking and fooling around with girls, especially in gogos and night-time GCs, rather than clubbing. I don't mind some dancing, if that gets the party started, I'm just a bit too old and a bit too fat for that (though not by much).

I noticed, that regardless of venue, all the costs of my drink (70-100 or 150) and LDs (140-220) are roughly the same everywhere. What's more, there is no logic in these differences: often an LD in a run-down beer bar will be more expensive than in an up-scale gogo. This leads me to always wonder "what will I get out of this" when I get asked for a drink by a girl I just met 15 seconds ago. I noticed some men are pretty happy with them just sitting awkwardly with barely any conversation, but honestly, if I just want to sit next to a very hot woman, I have a few friends back home who meet this criterion (smoking!) and are always happy to have a coffee with me.

Now, I don't expect an immediate BJ or heavy petting from the girls: if they sit on my lap and laugh, or wrestle and hug me a bit, or jokingly dry hump me, or just have an interesting conversation, I'm fine with that! I'm always hoping for a mini-sales pitch from a lady, one I usually don't get.

To my surprise, the most value for money (VFM) seem to be some of the gogos, the night-time "party" GCs, and BJ-focused GCs. Some of these ladies really work hard! And worse VFM? Beer bars (both for LDs and bar fines). To the extent I think we should stop considering beer bar girls as sex workers. Perhaps I'm a bit too disappointed, but those are consistently negative experiences.

I cannot speak to many experiences personally, but each and every time I have sat down with a girl at a beer bar, bought her a drink, felt her up, had a conversation with her, then bar fined her I have had a positive experience. It is not my first choice. But focus on the girls who choose me. If I am walking by and a girl catches my eye and gives me a "come hither" look I am going to investigate. So, far things have worked out in my favor. But as one particular critic has pointed out "I am one of those guys. ". Yes, I focus first on chemistry and not on looks or price. I do not have a problem going with a girl I do not find "model" stunning if she wins me over with her personalty during conversation. This method has worked for me in the past and has continues to work for me.

To finish up, I'll throw some positive recommendations:

1) Kink! I've been here perhaps 5 times. The girls have different skill sets, from acrobatics, dancing, to the more explicit that I highly value. But it's always fun! I'll write more in another post.

Agreed. I have a great time each and every time I step foot in the place. Bar Fine: 1500; Short Time: 3000; Long Time: 5000.

2) Sugar Sugar. It's not as explicit as Kink, but the dancer I chose seemed to be having as much of a good time as me, jumping on my lap and pretending to have sex and giggling all the time. The other dancers looked jealous, and even security seemed to catch on the fun atmosphere; they remembered me the following night and were jokingly cat-calling me on the street. And I didn't even spend all that much!

I too thought the dancers were hot. The one that came over to me was fun. But one of the things I do not like about agogos is that most to not allow you fuck right then. Most of the time if I am in an agogo and a girl gets me hot I want to take her right there. Spontaneous sex it what gets my engine revving.

3) Lips Lounge Soi Honey. Even more explicit and hands on than Kink. Let's just say you will never wonder what the LDs get you and if they're worth it. Not for the shy!

Need to check it out. Sounds like a place for me.

4) TF. I know it's a hit-or-miss, but for me works better than beer bars. I rejected one girl only after a video-call (she was simply ugly in real life), but the other one I called and invited, a 22-year old Sweetheart, was THE best. Very clearly inexperienced in the job (although she did have a baby), she was shy about by leaving her ID at the front desk, shy about being seen with me etc. And in bed she had no idea what she should be doing, but allowed me to take lead. That was the cutest thing since the invention of puppies!! I managed to warm her up and she got very, very wet. At some point she covered my face with a pillow, not wanting to see who she was getting the pleasure from! I met her again two days letter, just as cute, but she's loosing her shyness and looking at me in a different way, so I'm not sure if the next meetings would be / will be just as good. Still, what an experience!!

TF is most defiantly like the assorted box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get. My experiences have been very positive. Even sometimes when a girls shows up that I do not think I am actually going to be able to get into, they provide surprising good sexual experiences. Do I have low standards? I most certainly do. But I would rather have friends in low places than to be bragging about my private banking services (who give a fuck).

5) Telephone Bar Club. Very underrated club. Yes, it's far from Central Pattaya, but just get a Bolt bike for 30 THB! It's open from 9 AM and boasts better looking girls than in the average GC. There was one in her 20's (a 7), and a small bunch in their early 30's (also 7). There is also a 2 of an age impossible to guess, that obviously springs on you first, so don't get spooked. You can take them to the room, or get a BJ, and if you want, you can even get the BJ right there on an armchair in the bar. They're pretty hard-working!

I have heard of the place but I have never been there. With your report I will most certainly change that, quick fast and in a hurry.

Some people are positive by nature. I think you are one of those people and once again I am going to thank your for taking the time and energy to write another solid report. You are batting 1000.

[MadDin19]

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[LocalExplorer]

Don't get all excited, his endorsement isn't worth much.

What's with all the welcome (not!) posts? SubCmdr wrote something nice, and I appreciate that. I see he's consistently complementing posters with words like "solid report! " That's great, if you do want your forum to stay alive and fresh, with new posters and members. Or do you prefer not to? There's a lot of specific info on this forum, but it's difficult to find and often a few years old. It's also pretty scarce at times for people like me, who want their insane extended holiday experiences, but without going bankrupt.

I remember some crazy reports from Soi Bongkot 8 a while back, and that was exactly the type of info I look for! I'm just not that guy sitting in a beer bar, all excited about having met a lady who genuinely really likes him (not!) , or one who will boast about his LT going clubbing with him or alternatively. Cooking dinner for him. Pattaya's a big place, and there's a lot happening. You might not be aware of everything.

I see that allegations about never having visited Thailand are kind of regular here, with even Banana Boi (over 6000 posts) joking about it. Yup, it must be a full-time job making up so many stories in a way that they can be believable. Anyway, I did get worried I wrote a bit too much below, but then I browsed through other posts and it doesn't seem so. Do tell me if I'm wrong!

All righty, time for some recommendations (please note, these are totally random, the ones most easy to review with few words):

Las Vegas Agogo. I won't be a regular, but it might be just the place for you! The girls are pretty good-looking, they do make an effort to get drinks and give enthusiastic lap dances, there's lots of grinding, hugging, and friendly conversation. But most of all, customer service is first-class, the waiters really make an effort to make sure you're happy, and suggest a new drink only once. They also bow their heads East Asian style, which it makes it all seem very polite. (Yes, it's too easy to guess why they do it).

TF again. Got a very nice 20-year old Lao lady, very thin and small (she might have been a few years older, but there's no telling). Spoke no English whatsoever (Google Translate works well) and seemed absolutely elated at meeting a rather fat white man well older than her. The kissing, the hugging, the smiles, the laughter, all the way to the end. After which she went to the bathroom and came back fully dressed ready to go. That was not totally unexpected, she deserves an Oscar for acting, but who cares, it was great! Another win for TF! Had she not dropped out of character after the finish line, she'd be coming back soon, perhaps for LT. TF Sweetheart ignored my messages for a day or two, all while sitting online on TF all day, but seems she wasn't having that much luck, she's interested again and probably coming back today or tomorrow.

[Nyezhov]

Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .
!

Don't get all excited, his endorsement isn't worth much.

[LocalExplorer]

I guess you've never been to Thailand or any other Asian country. Right?

Well, I might have exaggerated the info a bit, OK.

[LocalExplorer]

I guess you've never been to Thailand or any other Asian country. Right?

What makes you think that?

[MadDin19]

You should first ask yourself is what type of fun you want. The question you are asking us is a bit like asking "what's the best place to go on vacations? ". Some people will point to Ibiza, some to a deserted island, some to the mountains, and some to Pattaya. Bangkok is much more expensive and much more subdued, although the shopping malls in BKK have more hot young girls, that's true. So probably also true for the expensive gogo bars, but I didn't check them out. Most people think of PIMP Bangkok with horror, but some have expressed their lack of remorse in spending a small fortune.

So do you want to see nice-looking bikini ladies dancing and prancing? Bikini ladies who give you hugs? Or you want to see topless ladies? Naked ladies? Naked ladies who give you lap dances for lady drinks? Naked ones who ask you to DATY or finger them? What are your criteria for ladies? Only looks? Only age? Or would you like them to be at least a bit friendly? Or is being friendly the #1 criterion? For me looks are not enough for example, but I know a ton of people for whom only that matters.

In Pattaya you can't go wrong with Kink, you can get all the listed activities above (some activities only with 1 or 2 ladies). Windmill doesn't have a good moment. But honestly, planning in Thailand and Pattaya doesn't make sense. Once you start you'll know which way you want to go. Don't book your accommodation for more than 2 nights, do some reading up and that's it!

I guess you've never been to Thailand or any other Asian country. Right?

[LocalExplorer]

Hi,

Newbie here, first time to Thailand managing my trip. I wonder if I wish to have a good gogo bar experience where should I go? Is the difference between Bangkok and Pattaya that much of a difference? Got six or seven days of staying wish to experience as much as possible. Got relatively flexible budget, how should I distribute the time in Pattaya and Bangkok and if I wish to try more of gogo bar should I distribute more time to Pattaya? Since I felt there are more playable event in Bangkok and I heard girls are generally prettier, so I wonder what should I do?

You should first ask yourself is what type of fun you want. The question you are asking us is a bit like asking "what's the best place to go on vacations? ". Some people will point to Ibiza, some to a deserted island, some to the mountains, and some to Pattaya. Bangkok is much more expensive and much more subdued, although the shopping malls in BKK have more hot young girls, that's true. So probably also true for the expensive gogo bars, but I didn't check them out. Most people think of PIMP Bangkok with horror, but some have expressed their lack of remorse in spending a small fortune.

So do you want to see nice-looking bikini ladies dancing and prancing? Bikini ladies who give you hugs? Or you want to see topless ladies? Naked ladies? Naked ladies who give you lap dances for lady drinks? Naked ones who ask you to DATY or finger them? What are your criteria for ladies? Only looks? Only age? Or would you like them to be at least a bit friendly? Or is being friendly the #1 criterion? For me looks are not enough for example, but I know a ton of people for whom only that matters.

In Pattaya you can't go wrong with Kink, you can get all the listed activities above (some activities only with 1 or 2 ladies). Windmill doesn't have a good moment. But honestly, planning in Thailand and Pattaya doesn't make sense. Once you start you'll know which way you want to go. Don't book your accommodation for more than 2 nights, do some reading up and that's it!

[LocalExplorer]

I tip my hat to you LocalExplorer This is a straight drop the bat and watch walk off home run.

Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .

Right now I am spending time in Pattaya, having some fun. My trip is all about sex, and partying! And by "partying" I mean drinking and fooling around with girls, especially in gogos and night-time GCs, rather than clubbing. I don't mind some dancing, if that gets the party started, I'm just a bit too old and a bit too fat for that (though not by much).

I noticed, that regardless of venue, all the costs of my drink (70-100 or 150) and LDs (140-220) are roughly the same everywhere. What's more, there is no logic in these differences: often an LD in a run-down beer bar will be more expensive than in an up-scale gogo. This leads me to always wonder "what will I get out of this" when I get asked for a drink by a girl I just met 15 seconds ago. I noticed some men are pretty happy with them just sitting awkwardly with barely any conversation, but honestly, if I just want to sit next to a very hot woman, I have a few friends back home who meet this criterion (smoking!) and are always happy to have a coffee with me.

Now, I don't expect an immediate BJ or heavy petting from the girls: if they sit on my lap and laugh, or wrestle and hug me a bit, or jokingly dry hump me, or just have an interesting conversation, I'm fine with that! I'm always hoping for a mini-sales pitch from a lady, one I usually don't get.

To my surprise, the most value for money (VFM) seem to be some of the gogos, the night-time "party" GCs, and BJ-focused GCs. Some of these ladies really work hard! And worse VFM? Beer bars (both for LDs and bar fines). To the extent I think we should stop considering beer bar girls as sex workers. Perhaps I'm a bit too disappointed, but those are consistently negative experiences.

To finish up, I'll throw some positive recommendations:

1) Kink! I've been here perhaps 5 times. The girls have different skill sets, from acrobatics, dancing, to the more explicit that I highly value. But it's always fun! I'll write more in another post.

2) Sugar Sugar. It's not as explicit as Kink, but the dancer I chose seemed to be having as much of a good time as me, jumping on my lap and pretending to have sex and giggling all the time. The other dancers looked jealous, and even security seemed to catch on the fun atmosphere; they remembered me the following night and were jokingly cat-calling me on the street. And I didn't even spend all that much!

3) Lips Lounge Soi Honey. Even more explicit and hands on than Kink. Let's just say you will never wonder what the LDs get you and if they're worth it. Not for the shy!

4) TF. I know it's a hit-or-miss, but for me works better than beer bars. I rejected one girl only after a video-call (she was simply ugly in real life), but the other one I called and invited, a 22-year old Sweetheart, was THE best. Very clearly inexperienced in the job (although she did have a baby), she was shy about by leaving her ID at the front desk, shy about being seen with me etc. And in bed she had no idea what she should be doing, but allowed me to take lead. That was the cutest thing since the invention of puppies!! I managed to warm her up and she got very, very wet. At some point she covered my face with a pillow, not wanting to see who she was getting the pleasure from! I met her again two days letter, just as cute, but she's loosing her shyness and looking at me in a different way, so I'm not sure if the next meetings would be / will be just as good. Still, what an experience!!

5) Telephone Bar Club. Very underrated club. Yes, it's far from Central Pattaya, but just get a Bolt bike for 30 THB! It's open from 9 AM and boasts better looking girls than in the average GC. There was one in her 20's (a 7), and a small bunch in their early 30's (also 7). There is also a 2 of an age impossible to guess, that obviously springs on you first, so don't get spooked. You can take them to the room, or get a BJ, and if you want, you can even get the BJ right there on an armchair in the bar. They're pretty hard-working!

[Forty Drinks]

You really can't go wrong on Soi 6. 75 baht for a Cola. Unlimited Ugly s to oogle. Hahaha.

I did find a 19 year old. No Baitoey but kind of acceptable. No intelligence but she looked FINE.

[HAliluya]

Hi,

Newbie here, first time to Thailand managing my trip. I wonder if I wish to have a good gogo bar experience where should I go? Is the difference between Bangkok and Pattaya that much of a difference? Got six or seven days of staying wish to experience as much as possible. Got relatively flexible budget, how should I distribute the time in Pattaya and Bangkok and if I wish to try more of gogo bar should I distribute more time to Pattaya? Since I felt there are more playable event in Bangkok and I heard girls are generally prettier, so I wonder what should I do?

[Banana Boi]

I sent the bargirl money so she can pay her barfine (1,000 baht) and meet me in Ban Chang. <snip> The true test is whether she sends me back the 1000 baht.

Of course she will. I always used to get my gogo girls to pay their barfine first and I paid them back after arrival at the meet up spot.

One time my gogo girl paid her barfine but by the time she got to my place I felt sick as fuck so she made a food and 711 run for me, took care of me for an hour, and refused to take any money including her barfine back and didn't charge me for her time. She said no big deal she got to see me and can now go eat with her friends.

Really seems like we hang out with 2 different levels of girls. Gogo vs Soi 25.