Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...n-gay/11752598

And that one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.

Yes, your second link is for that 2007 Respondent-Driven Survey I was thinking about. Going deeper into the Full Text and methodology, I do wish they had filtered for non needle drug using prostitutes, anal vs vaginal / oral sex practices, etc. Although they do admit to the natural limitations of such a survey where "seed" respondents already seeking treatment are sent out to recruit others, a saliva test vs a blood test and so on.

Also, not to quibble too much on this point, but in Thailand post-op transgenders insist they are "female" and apparently many in their circle go along with it. Should I trust the people conducting that 2007 survey to have filtered out resondents on that basis despite there being no mention (unless I missed it) of them doing so? Again, that is where the type of sexual services most commonly offered, anal vs vaginal / oral, would be most pertinent yet goes unmentioned.

I wonder, has there been no similar survey taken with as alarming a "25% infection rate" result worth publishing since 2007? That one is the only one I ever see referenced. I would think that result would trigger an interest in conducting one every year since. But apparently not.

On your first link, it certainly makes a case for taking PrEP. So I wonder why my taking it has never once been recommended by any of the counselors who hand me my negative HIV test result document at Thai Red Cross every month or two for the past 9 years despite my telling them during the brief interview that I have multiple female partners and never wear a condom?

You would think I am a likely candidate for it and I believe it can be purchased there. But in all these years, no mention of it being something I ought to so much as consider taking.

[IHeartIpa]

Hope you are aware that the HIV prevalence amongst Bangkok streetwalker is about 25%. I add especially so for girls charging CIP 1000 Bahts. Venue based girls are much safer, my guts feeling would be that some of the TF girls could be too.

FYI there are streetwalkers cheaper than that in BKK, aimed at Thai customers. I'd assume riddled with disease since Thai guys don't like wrapping it up. Also got a bunch of ladyboys walking lower suck as well.

[MomoFarang]

Do you have a link to your source for that 25% figure?

There was a "survey" of sorts several years ago where they did not seem to differentiate between female and male / ladyboy street workers and it was far from a random sampling in that hookers who went to a clinic for HIV treatment were paid to go out and find more "respondents" for the survey from among their circle with promises of free treatment for them.

I would be quite surprised if 1 out of 4 female FLs we see on the street in the lower Sukhumvit area tested positive for HIV now or, frankly, ever.

And even if they did, transmission from a female streetwalker to a male customer must be somewhere between none and zero.

Seriously. There has been plenty of bareback going on all over the place every day and night for the past 40+ years but has anyone even met a punter or seen one interviewed who got HIV from a girl he had sex with without a hint of suggestion that the dude was also a wee bit into needle-related drug use and sometimes shared and just might have forgotten about those bb receptive anal sex parties he used to have with a LB or two or that irresistible male temp he met at the office a while back?.

This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...n-gay/11752598

And that one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.

[EihTooms]

The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.

I went as high as an additional 1,000 baht over the 1,900 baht fee for at least 3 of the 4 Tulip girls who launched into their "Safety First" lecture and assured me that "NO" to fucking without a condom means "NO fucking without a condom" and could not justify going any higher than that with any of them. The end result was still "'NO' means NO fucking without a condom".

We're all talking about the Tulip shop on Sukhumvit near the Thong Lo bts station, right?

They were all perfectly fine with me leaving a while later after a pretend massage without fucking or finishing at all for the original 1,900 baht. And, frankly, so was I. I'd rather save a bullet for the next girl than jerk off onto a girls stomach, onto the sheets, in her ear or onto the wall.

One of the 4 did try and succeeded in giving me a middling BBBJ+CIM for the 1,900 baht, something less memorable than I'd likely get at Lolitas or Kasalong for 800 baht.

And for that I most certainly did specify "CIM", "Cum Inside Mouth" and "Finish Inside Mouth" with all the words, gestures, pointing and miming I could think of to make sure she didn't think I wasn't asking to give myself a handjob or even for her to give me a handjob with a little oral foreplay thrown in and that I meant a genuine blowjob that finishes orally, not manually, not by my own hand etc etc etc, just to make sure everyone understood everything with no confusion or unpleasant surprises. A real mood setting endeavor, BTW.

[Supmam]

So I can avoid them.

Condom paradox. If she says no condom OK, you should wear a condom. If she insists on a condom, then no condom is ok.

Relax antsy BBFS guys. IT'S A FUCKING JOKE.

[GrapeMan]

What EihTooms so elegantly stated is that mongers shouldn't be posting a provider is BB or BBFS if it doesn't come with the conclusion of BBFSCIP, and I'm with him on that one. How many of us over the years agreed with a provider to provide a service ("BBFS") only to be told, "no cum inside okay honey" in the middle of the act following negotiations? Are we getting that granular?

BBFS is BBFS.

I make the same comment from any sex worker any where in the world: be specific, if you don't say it, its not agreed upon and may not be on the books. Did you ask for CIP? Nope, then its not agreed upon, maybe she does, maybe not, if that's what you want, say it and hand over the money.

[Gabriel071]

The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.

What EihTooms so elegantly stated is that mongers shouldn't be posting a provider is BB or BBFS if it doesn't come with the conclusion of BBFSCIP, and I'm with him on that one. How many of us over the years agreed with a provider to provide a service ("BBFS") only to be told, "no cum inside okay honey" in the middle of the act following negotiations? Are we getting that granular?

BBFS is BBFS.

[GrapeMan]

The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.

[HorseTrader]

So I can avoid them.

If you want to avoid all CIP girls, I suggest you not only avoid Tulip but also avoid all P4P girls. Many of them relax their condom requirements on the second or third encounter.

[TConor]

Well I have been there 3 times over the last 2 years with 3 different women and CIP was never an issue without paying any extras.

So I can avoid them.

[EihTooms]

Well I have been there 3 times over the last 2 years with 3 different women and CIP was never an issue without paying any extras.

Yep, and I totally believe that about you. As I totally believe it about every fellow punter and big fan of the service level they get at Tulip who says the same thing.

Hey, then it's got to be me. Or those shops are just not for me.

The resistance and refusal I have gotten for BBFS+CIP at Tulip or for even mere BB / No Condom if that is supposed to make a big difference since I don't recall ever going as far as to specify "CIP" on the subject at Tulip or other shops is no less than the resistance and refusal I have gotten for it at all the other dozens of massage shops or happy ending shops I have visited in the past 9 plus years; "No, nope, nada and oh did I mention NO"?

Oh well. I guess I'll just stick to the cute 20-something go-go dancers / beer bar girls and 18 year old freebies I find on Tinder for my BBFS+CIP experiences. Hehe.

[EihTooms]

Just my guess but it was probably the CIP that put them off. Pull out and pop on them would probably have been ok. Can't really blame a gal for not wanting a guy she doesn't know shooting in her.

Could be. But that rather critically different way to finish probably should not be omitted from so many testimonials that "BB" is standard at this or that venue or location. I realize there are references to BBFS and to BBFS+CIP and that they are not the same thing. But I don't think many if us assume most of the time when someone says "she was OK with bb" that meant he had to pull out and masturbate himself to a finish onto her stomach or something unless he explicitly says so. Well, I don't anyway.

I am reminded of the reports we have been getting about well known venerable Bangkok BJ Bars now possibly requiring the customer to specify upfront, "I will get a CIM finish, right"? Yeah, we have been referring to them as BJ Bars all these years but does that mean the new normal loophole for the latest providers is, hey buddy, nobody ever called them BBBJ+CIM Bars?

Also, I'm not familiar with any scientific research showing that a girl who gets pre cum or a first desperate shot of cum dribbling into her pussy is comfortably protected from getting pregnant or an STD from the guy. Has anyone so concerned about these things bothered to mention this to those girls? As if putting some stranger on the Honor System that he will of course pull out at the first inkling of an approaching orgasm will likely protect her from anything.

[Khundig]

Yes, that's what I have heard from several Tulip customers over the years. I just wish you guys had explained that to the 4 different Tulip girls I finally convinced myself to try over the past 9 years. Not one of them was willing to go along with BBFS+CIP with me for any reasonable amount tip up to, say, 1000 baht more.

Probably just me I suppose.

Unless these "most" and "bb is standard service at Tulip" reports I have been hearing all these years has been one of those "if you repeat with the same girl 5-6 times" things I'm never going to do.

Well I have been there 3 times over the last 2 years with 3 different women and CIP was never an issue without paying any extras.

[Goatscrot]

Yes, that's what I have heard from several Tulip customers over the years. I just wish you guys had explained that to the 4 different Tulip girls I finally convinced myself to try over the past 9 years. Not one of them was willing to go along with BBFS+CIP with me for any reasonable amount tip up to, say, 1000 baht more.

Probably just me I suppose.

Unless these "most" and "bb is standard service at Tulip" reports I have been hearing all these years has been one of those "if you repeat with the same girl 5-6 times" things I'm never going to do.

Just my guess but it was probably the CIP that put them off. Pull out and pop on them would probably have been ok. Can't really blame a gal for not wanting a guy she doesn't know shooting in her.

[EihTooms]

Already reported by various media outlets, underage is one issue, which was raised by NGO and central government agency, so Lumphini cannot ignore and must take action to save face.

But, there are other underlying issues that the local officials cannot tolerate, such as employing illegals, inadequate Covid precautions, lack of business license, and improper use of the lot. Supposedly, the place is slated / permitted to be a car park. Not beer bars.

Of course, an eloquent lawyer can argue that the lot is set up to store vehicles, citing the roll-up garage doors. And, how the tenants make use of their space is not the responsibility of the land owners. The lessee can argue that there's nothing in the contract preventing usage as bars. So, then, it becomes a matter of greasing certain palms in regional bureaucracy to straighten out permits and licenses.

Yes and no. Sure, the roll-up doors are down, but it's business as usual somewhat for the bars on the street front (Twister, Boss, Corner 7, Random at 7, and We For You). Just a change in set up, operating on the sly by skirting the closure order in the usual Thai ways, such as serving food. There is enough room on the sidewalk, so they set up tables and chairs, just like the temporary night bars along main Sukhumvit. There are plenty of bargirls to entice customers to sit and have a drink. And, of course, buy lady drinks; not sure if all will barfine..

The only people behind a couple of those roll up / down doors the time I passed by about 8:30 pm Saturday night was a bar owner or assistant telling me "our bar moved to Soi 11."

Maybe they were sneaking open on Soi 7 later in the night.

There was no sign of anything new or different about the open air bars on Soi 11 except perhaps 2-3 more girls in them for a Saturday night.