Bangkok Reports

[Bergery2700]

A lot of black girls ply their trade outside Novotel on Soi 4. Walked past several times but never saw anything that caught my eye.

Back in December I had a session with a Tanzanian girl from TF. Average looking face but excellent body and very enthusiastic. Same rate asked for as the Thai girls.

I was always curious too but was worried that there was a pimp following them around.

[FilthyBeaver]

Make no mistake, every girl is looking for a long term relationship. #1 priority is taking care of her family (parents primarily, younger siblings and her own children second) which she will do at any cost. You will occasionally find a middle / upper middle class girl looking for the latest phone or designer hang bag but 99% of them would stop tomorrow for a reliable meal ticket. I've been at this a long time and don't care to spell out my credentials but this is a fact.

I do not think you addressed my question. The issue is whether the TF women are more likely to actually be looking for long term relationships. It is clearly not a problem finding ST or LT on either web site. But I wonder if TF is becoming more of a regular dating site, and less of a site where girls are looking for P4 P. There are plenty of diamonds on both sites and for people like me (who hate bars) and really like the "non pro", TF is still my best bet in Thailand.

[MamaGuevos]

Found girls on TF to be more short term providers and PL about 50/50.

Alot of these sites are very much a time wasting exercise. Yes you might find a diamond but its a bit of work esp for a short time stayer. Better to hunt with what's on the ground there & then. So much changes in a day / week in these places. This is particularly true in the larger cities of Thailand. Plenty in clubs, GG bars and FL.

I do not think you addressed my question. The issue is whether the TF women are more likely to actually be looking for long term relationships. It is clearly not a problem finding ST or LT on either web site. But I wonder if TF is becoming more of a regular dating site, and less of a site where girls are looking for P4 P. There are plenty of diamonds on both sites and for people like me (who hate bars) and really like the "non pro", TF is still my best bet in Thailand.

[NewImage]

It seems to me that about three quarters of the women on TF (Bangkok) between the ages of 18 and 30 are actually looking for a long term relationship. And, when their maximum age for their desired male partner is listed in the 30's or even 40, my chances of arranging a liason are small (my age is listed on the site as 59). In contrast, when I have been to Manila / Makati and gone fishing on PL, I can pretty much ignore the ages that are listed, and most of the girls respond to my greetings and want to meet, even when they say that the maximum age is 25! Not only do they want to meet, but they virtually always consummate the relationship.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this difference a characteristic of the dating sites, or due to differences between Filiipinas and Thai women?

Found girls on TF to be more short term providers and PL about 50/50.

Alot of these sites are very much a time wasting exercise. Yes you might find a diamond but its a bit of work esp for a short time stayer. Better to hunt with what's on the ground there & then. So much changes in a day / week in these places. This is particularly true in the larger cities of Thailand. Plenty in clubs, GG bars and FL.

[Locamotive]

Saw this girl on TF. Booked her for later in the evening. When she showed up in the lobby, the vibe was strange. She was very reluctant with everything. Tried to kiss her after shower to get into the mood, but she was not into it. I felt like she didn't want to be there in the first place. It's like I was forcing her to do something she didn't want to do. I called it off, gave her taxi money and let her go. And she was mad.

This is a good example, online is too risky. You know nothing about her, flirty, friendly, some passion, you have no idea and a good way to get a dud. Some won't agree but bars are the way to go unless you got time galore to shop around on the internet.

[MamaGuevos]

It seems to me that about three quarters of the women on TF (Bangkok) between the ages of 18 and 30 are actually looking for a long term relationship. And, when their maximum age for their desired male partner is listed in the 30's or even 40, my chances of arranging a liason are small (my age is listed on the site as 59). In contrast, when I have been to Manila / Makati and gone fishing on PL, I can pretty much ignore the ages that are listed, and most of the girls respond to my greetings and want to meet, even when they say that the maximum age is 25! Not only do they want to meet, but they virtually always consummate the relationship.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this difference a characteristic of the dating sites, or due to differences between Filiipinas and Thai women?

[Llantarnam]

Anyone had any sessions with the African ladies. They seem to hunt in packs which I don't like, I would imagine they don't get many proposals.

Any idea of prices and performance.

A lot of black girls ply their trade outside Novotel on Soi 4. Walked past several times but never saw anything that caught my eye.

Back in December I had a session with a Tanzanian girl from TF. Average looking face but excellent body and very enthusiastic. Same rate asked for as the Thai girls.

[BackInBangkok]

Have just read (on another popular site that "sticks" in your memory) that the whole lady drink MO has changed. Appears that there is no guarantee of the girl actually staying with you and if you don't keep buying and buying its off to find another willing cash machine.

What's going on here? Is it that bad? Is it just in the big bars / clubs or is this across the board.

If I'm buying a girl a lady drink I EXPECT her to stay at least 20 minutes or so. If this new system IS the norm I can see me boycotting those bars that operate this way.

I work on the MO that the girl has to convince me to BF her, be f'ed if I put up with this shit!

NI.

I'm curious also, returning to Bangkok next month. 6 years ago Angelwitch at Nana was a problem due to the ugly server rats scurrying around asking for ladydrinks. Billboard wasn't a problem. I tipped the mamasan upon entering and she always sent a hottie over to entertain me, so hot I never wanted to stay longer than 1 drink before barfining them. Never hassled by server rats there.

[Werqweq]

Thanks for the post. I am curious too. I read sinfulkorean's reviews of ff were very positive. I also contacted FF, and tsgsideline, and some others. I'm concerned this is a bait and switch type of operation. You get a line to the booker, not the girl on the line. The booker is an a $$hole to be polite. He doesn't clarify the details of the service but just focused on making the booking. Rude and impatient. I suspect I'the be setting ourselves for a bad / poor experience. Although I have not tried, are you guys seeing a lot of face not matching actual scenarios? The booker says if face doesn't match photo, you can cancel free of charge. However, my concern is when you are in another hotel, not sure what tricks they (girl / pimp) could play with you when you refuse if girl doesn't match photo. Have any of you cancelled?

I never encountered a rude booker, so either you were unlucky or something was lost in translation I suspect.

I admittedly never did cancel a booking, though I probably should have one time (girl's age was correct more or less, but she was sooo photoshopped that, yeah, it was her, but did not look nice at all in real life), but I'm quite sure there's no reason at all to be concerned about it as long as you cancel before you start anything. Except for a few cases where the fiwfans profile says it's not a real photo, but a "replica" or something like that, probably due to privacy reasons, all girls are the ones in the photos IME. So the problem is not bait and switch as much as someone being good at photoshop.

Worst that could happen is if you cancel several times is the agent will get fed up and block you, so you can't book with him again. Many of the girls also asked at first if I'm "ok with her". A few times I wanted to answer "hell yeah! Are you kidding me?" But I managed to control myself and just nod. I did complain once to the agent that the girl did not do some of the basic things listed on her profile, but just got a "sorry" in response and did not push it further.

Myself I like fiwfans. It's a bit of a gamble, true, but I've met some real babes there too, so as long as you accept that the surprise on the other side of the door will not always be good, it's an interesting way to spend the time.

[TravelingMan3]

Yes I know you don't go to Thailand for black but as an alternative to break the Yellow fever.

Anyone had any sessions with the African ladies. They seem to hunt in packs which I don't like, I would imagine they don't get many proposals.

Any idea of prices and performance.

Appreciate.

NI.

My lone session with one was about five years ago in Pattaya it was nothing great and about market value at the time.

[Ronin63]

I no longer buy medications from street vendors, I either bring from home or go to pharmacy. My last such purchase was from a tiny pharmacy on Soi 15 just a few steps from Sukhumvit on the left. No prescription was required.

Technically a prescription is required, but some of the smaller pharmacies will over look this. Fake meds have been found with both street and pharmacies. YMMV.

[Ronin63]

That's too bad. If she looked like the pic you posted I would be bummed out too. She's pretty hot.

Yeah, Thai girls tend to be very picky, even when being paid. If you're not 25, a millionaire they really don't want to be with you.

[NewImage]

Have just read (on another popular site that "sticks" in your memory) that the whole lady drink MO has changed. Appears that there is no guarantee of the girl actually staying with you and if you don't keep buying and buying its off to find another willing cash machine.

What's going on here? Is it that bad? Is it just in the big bars / clubs or is this across the board.

If I'm buying a girl a lady drink I EXPECT her to stay at least 20 minutes or so. If this new system IS the norm I can see me boycotting those bars that operate this way.

I work on the MO that the girl has to convince me to BF her, be f'ed if I put up with this shit!

NI.

[Nyezhov]

Yes I know you don't go to Thailand for black but as an alternative to break the Yellow fever.

Anyone had any sessions with the African ladies. They seem to hunt in packs which I don't like, I would imagine they don't get many proposals.

Any idea of prices and performance.

Appreciate.

NI.

I've talked to a few and smelled others as they walked past I wouldn't bang one but YMMV. They ask 3500 but drop down immediately. I may try a mouth when I get to BKK in a few weeks. That's probably 1000. If I can find one that looks and smells good, and wears her wig on straight.

[LAHenry]

Section 3.

Day 4 -.

Went back to black caviar and they let me choose without membership again so I chose two CVs. One was the sana look alike and the other was a former racing car model. Amazing experience. They gave me my member number after that session. They upgraded me to a huge suite without any additional fees.

Rested and went back to red dragon. My second line girl got super pissed because I picked two sisters and not her and someone else. The younger is second from the left on 12/25, I would rate her as a L and her sister as a M. Amazing experience. Younger sister was third line girl, older sister was decent but selected both because it was a bucket item list I didn't know I wanted to check off.

Day 5 -.

Went to Snow White and saw candy in the morning. M face, s body. Out in 30 but paid for hour. Tipped and left.

Went to black caviar in the early afternoon and chose an L. Amazing experience. I thought she should be a XL. She would let me face force her and she was gagging while deepthroating me but wouldn't quit. She was snorting out my seed, since her mouth was full and she smiled through the whole appointment.

I was planning to go back to black caviar as my final destination that evening because there were 2 girls that I saw and wanted to see. But for the good of the team I went to PIMP instead. Pimp Mamasan was super cool but there was no CV, maybe a handful of PV, and L / xl out of 30 girls. The problem was I was probably going to fork out close to 45,000 for room, bar fine, automatic food cost and then add another 8-16,000 (a guess) if I could bring them back and some were not available to leave. I think PIMP would be a solid option as warm up to the actual thing but I wanted action and not teasing.

Messaged mamasan at black caviar who upgraded me again as I chose duo L (who I think was more of a PV) and her friend who was a PV (who I would have picked as a L). I then went with another L, L, and PV trio after my initial L and PV duo to close out my final day. I ended up paying about the same amount as above for PIMP but got the same size room / amenities while meeting 5 different girls. I would consider pimp maybe earlier in my vacation next time but it will likely be black caviar (get lines) and then everything else.

In conclusion. I really tried to be open but there was such a wide looks gap between soapies and gogo / black caviar and black caviar had even better service. I had black caviar girls forcing themselves on me, spitting on my cock, deep throating, rimming, forcing their partner to open wider, super flexible, submissive, etc. Coupled with the most beautiful girls. I did end up with some decent girls from red dragon but ultimately the girls from black caviar are the standard and that's the price I was willing to play. Also during slow hours. There were about 20 girls at black caviar but during peak hours there were at least 50 and 1/2 were always XL, PV or CV. Happy punting all!

Thanks, very informative. What do the levels means for BC? (eg, XL, L, PV, CV, etc).