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[Allover]

I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.

Some people are as you describe. But I believe well to do mongers care about value and few mongers want to be taken advantage of. I will splurge and possibly overpay for someone special at most once per trip. But that is my limit.

[Turgid]

Sadly there are many of our brethren who don't consider there are others after them. If the scene or "market" is ruined, eventually it's ruined for all of us............

I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.

[Goatscrot]

In favor of a few destroying the market / hobby for the greater good?

In USA there are anti monopolistic laws because this is never good for the market, why do you think that is?

Do you want to rationalize the pathetic methods some mongers use to damage the market for all, is that what your objective is?

Then call it "winning" or "ballin."

Sadly there are many of our brethren who don't consider there are others after them. If the scene or "market" is ruined, eventually it's ruined for all of us.

Covid has brought a refreshing return to the old days with prices down and performance up. I'd wager just about any Go-Go gal can be had for 1500. It is the gals competing for us. And that's the way it should be. For those of you who have been here less than a decade, this is what it was like.
Sadly as soon as the hordes return from East Asia, Singapore, and HK, it'll be back to high prices and gals doing far less than they are now.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[AssLover945]

Awesome reply.

You echo my thoughts on some punters coming and spoiling the market.

AL.

Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.

And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.

Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.

If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.

It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.

It's not the lady keeping you as a regular, it's you keeping her as a regular.

Thanks, it does.

[GettingFedUp]

Hello dear friends,

What is the latest to get into Thailand I miss BKK: is the flights and visa open.

Apologies but I am not so well versed maybe some of you on the ground have latest and correct information.

Alex,

To all intents and purposes the borders are closed inbound. There is no appetite from either the government or most of the population (operators and staff of tourism related businesses aside) to reopen them any time soon. Any relaxation will involve 14 days quarantine at a cost of 30,000 baht and upwards depending upon the facility chosen. That's 2 weeks isolation in a hotel room at your own expense with meals left outside the cell door by hazmat suited staff and similarly attired security ensuring that your only interaction with anyone is by Line chat etc. They don't do self-isolation or stay at home notices here.

A friend who waited months to return to his home and wife in Thailand (spouses are one of the few categories of foreigner allowed in) tells me that any breach, even chatting with your neighbour in the corridor when picking up your meal, is an extra 14 days quarantine (for which you must pay) and a fine under the emergency decree which theoretically means up to 100,000 baht.

The Ministry of Tourism and Sport have today again put out some hot air about travel schemes from 1 October but every previous such proposal like travel bubbles, covid corridors, island isolation has been quickly and firmly stamped on by the medics and PM who make up the CCSA. Most likely the minister is just going through the motions so he can tell the tourism industry he's trying.

[Alex7J]

I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.

Hello dear friends,

What is the latest to get into Thailand I miss BKK: is the flights and visa open.

Apologies but I am not so well versed maybe some of you on the ground have latest and correct information.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.

In favor of a few destroying the market / hobby for the greater good?

In USA there are anti monopolistic laws because this is never good for the market, why do you think that is?

Do you want to rationalize the pathetic methods some mongers use to damage the market for all, is that what your objective is?

Then call it "winning" or "ballin."

[Turgid]

They are deliberately trying to destroy the whole market and hobby for their own selfish purposes? No fucking way.

I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.

[PinkPearl]

Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

Yes, indeed, he was. You are correct. And what I see as common between tipping and paying over market price is that both are paying over market price. So really, what's the difference? Should not both be considered, according to some, as "spoiling the market"? Do you also object to tipping because you think it may, or has already, led to a rate increase?

Then there is the question of when is one "paying over market price"? For example, in the NEP area at one time not many years ago you could find street ladies of varying looks from below average to average to above average all requesting the same price of 1000 baht. That includes former NEP hot girls who would have IMO been superstars working inside NEP. If a guy says 2000 baht to her after she asks 1000 baht, do you seriously think that is "paying over market price" or that there is no chance you will get better service as a result? Or a better chance to hook her as a regular or she will not be happier than otherwise in your room?

There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.

I usually have targeted those who typically ask about 1000 baht. My thinking on this is they are poor relative to sex workers in my home country. Also relative to first world escorts, those in the Land of Smiles are more likely to be engaged in this line of employment to help more people, such as poor family members, relatives, friends, etc. Often these are those living in poor villages.

OTOH, if you can believe what I read somewhere the other day, one could go to a place like Bangladesh, even poorer, & help "pay for play" females who may only ask three dollars for their services. I'll call that an "inside tip" for "cheap charlies" everywhere;.

And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.

Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.

No doubt paying over market rates occurs by a percentage of customers. And this has affected the thinking of certain Thai ladies. Though how much it has raised prices has not, to my knowledge, been scientifically studied. Would you care to guess how much it has raised prices, if anything at all? And if so, what evidence leads you to your conclusion.

Over payment is not merely a uniquely Thailand phenomenon, but there are johns doing this everywhere. In Canada over years rates have been rising like crazy. Possibly due to factors such as inflation, the influx of rich Chinese, economic prosperity or whatever.

With the coronavirus situation, however, we may be seeing things change for the better for those still able to afford this hobby. Fewer clients & more workers. Supply & demand. And, for some, Bangladesh still awaits them as a, so to speak, unexplored or "virgin" territory. Go forth and conquer! And, as a bank commercial said, "save your money"!

If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.

Maybe she is reluctant for no reason other than she expects more money. If she says no, then you can leave it at that. No means no. Except, of course, when it means "2000 not enough, 3000", LOL. It may also mean "I have HIV" or "I don't want to get pregnant" or "I have a boyfriend", etc.

It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.

As long as she doesn't "mark" me as a tomcat does, I'm good with her thinking whatever she likes and me not knowing it. As they say, "ignorance is bliss"! Be well, live long and fuck!

[MarquisdeSade1]

Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?

They are deliberately trying to destroy the whole market and hobby for their own selfish purposes? No fucking way.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.

Whether you accept it or not.

IE, the sky is still blue even if you deny it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...hould-n1231600

You seem to mix things up a bit, the times when this doesn't apply is when those that overpay come along and bribe them to go with them LOL.

Why do you think they do it? 3-3-3.

[Dg8787]

Well, my friend, IME I don't recall ever having paid beyond the "rate of the bill" with lawyers, at grocery stores, pharmacies & with many others. Though I did once offer a lawyer tickets to NHL games if he achieved a certain result for me. And with anyone who provides me with good, excellent or outstanding service, it is entirely possible if I were moved to do so that I would tip them as I have done with others in the past. For example, by giving a donation to this site.

In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok I've also tipped for cutting my hair, massages, taxi drivers, and in restaurants, etc. Either for good service and or out of the generosity of my heart. I've also tipped in different situations in my birth country.

If an agreement to 1000 baht short time is made with a female street walker at the Nana Hotel & later back in his hotel room she consents to BBFS with with the guy & after he decides to generously tips her an extra 1000, is that so very different than the aforementioned that are being tipped for good service and or from the generosity of one's heart.

Is it wrong to tip her when she goes beyond what she had to. Assuming one can very easily afford to do so.

Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.

Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.

Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.

As to whether or not it works to get a woman as a regular and or one who provides better service because a client pays more, off the top of my head I'm not sure how that can be proven one way or the other. I'm not aware of any controlled scientific experiments on the subject. Personally, though, other things being equal, I'd probably prefer to choose an employer who pays more. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you also be more happy working for him. Maybe even consider him to be, jai dee, good heart. Being around a happy lady is probably a good thing for the customer's happiness.

Whether or not any Thai "pay for play" gals have ever thought of me as an "easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected", I can't say. I'm not sure I even care. After all I can't even understand Thai let alone read other people's minds. But even if that were true, I am happy, for then they are more likely going to keep coming back for more or to be a regular, which is what I want. At least from some of them. And one of the reasons in my mind for paying more than I have to.

Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.

If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.

Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.

Great post on the Art of Tipping.

Very few will accept it. Those that do will do and will reap the benefits. Of course this is not for everyone.

[Banana Boi]

Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

Tipping is not customary in Thailand. Only in tourist parts where Farang are plentiful have the girls and service workers has become accustomed to tips. It's why Thai service workers put up with Farang.

Many many years ago I remember tipping in Japan because I had just finished one of the best meals I have ever had in my life in a dingy Japanese Izakaya. When the owner found out I tipped he ran out of the izakaya to give me my tip back. His English was poor but he did know how to say 'no tip'. Japanese take pride in providing good service and goods and unless you are in a tourist area tipping is considered an insult.

I agree you sound like a "catch", 6' white guy, most Asian girls want the white penis

Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.

[Turgid]

...........Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.............

Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.

And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.

Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning..

Nicely done, I didn't have the energy to break it down like that.