Bangkok Reports

[GettingFedUp]

I don't understand the example you mentioned involving the male nurse. He is guilty of rape because there was no consent. How can somebody in a coma say no?

The UK case you mentioned is interesting. I wasn't aware of it and after trying to google it all I kept getting were porn sites. If possible can you sent a link.

The legal definitions vary from place to place. For instance in some countries it's only counted as rape if it involves violence (from memory Spain), in others lack of consent or an inability to consent is rape.

With regard to the Male nurse. If the partner cannot consent or refuse because she is unaware then it cannot be consensual. The OP was clearly choosing a method by which she couldn't know that the condom was being removed and so could not consent or protest.

The UK case was Gemma Watts https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50985868 . It appears that my recollection is flawed because it was Instagram and Snapchat, not Tinder, and they omit the more lurid details on the BBC.

[Seeko]

Guys, you need to stop responding to the trolls.

I agree. This G person had already posted about having sloppy seconds from a drunken agogo girl back in early June. http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2456792

That older post included a stolen act of feeling up another man's lady. Seriously, that's ground for a beat-up amongst my mates.

I do not believe any of G's reports, considering they are poorly written without a coherent prose, proper grammar or spelling checks.

Thus, his money-speaks story of 'stealing' away a TG in Pattaya hotel is unlikely, but surely repeated often in that thread (I don't read PTY forum, so someone else will have to check.).

Reminds me of another troll, whose handle starts with G.

ET is right that any push after resistance of any means is a no-no. I also agree about conscious decision, so I avoid drunk girls. If my lady of the night ended up intoxicated after a fun-filled outing, I let her sleep it off until next day when she's fully capable of consent. Being a gentleman goes a long way.

Seeko.

[Franciscass]

I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model or Kate Middleton in her prime had a price..

So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.

[Franciscass]

It would be facinating if it turned out Thai law more or less agreed with my contention all along that bareback sex ought to be considered Real Sex while sex with a condom is, well, something else. LOL. I think that is what such a law would be asserting if consensual "sex" with a condom becomes an actual act of sex only when the condom is removed..

I am assuming ET your post is a tongue in cheek attempt at being funny otherwise I can only assume your wanting to chance the penal code and have all women available for BBFS has affected your reasoning. It seems you can get more than enough girls to go bareback so why not leave it, some girl will some will not, some guys want it some guys don't.

[Franciscass]

So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?

If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.

There was a case in the UK a couple of years ago where some ladies had consensual sex with some guy that they met on Tinder. The partner insisted they wore a blindfold because of shyness. Turned out the partner was a lesbian TV with a strap-on. Off to gaol (jail for American speakers) she went.

The issue is whether having her believing he was wearing a condom when he was not is a crime. So you need to find the statute he could be charged under. You mentioned two, rape and sexual assault.

Rape: "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Sexual assault is more wide ranging and varies from country to country but essentially "it is an act of physical, psychological and emotional violation in the form of a sexual act, inflicted on someone without their consent".

I've tried but cannot find a single instance of somebody being charged with a crime because she thought he was wearing a condom when he was not.

I don't understand the example you mentioned involving the male nurse. He is guilty of rape because there was no consent. How can somebody in a coma say no?

The UK case you mentioned is interesting. I wasn't aware of it and after trying to google it all I kept getting were porn sites. If possible can you sent a link.

[Goferring]

And I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model.... in her prime had a price.

You mean like this?

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...welry-jho-low/

I'm sure she was with the short, fat, old money launderer purely for love before moving on to the SnapChat billionaire. 😃.

Enjoy. G.

[EihTooms]

Anyway, what I know is each time I go Thailand, Pattaya, Bkk, Phuket, or Cambodia and Philippines, all the sexy girls I fuck never use condoms! And when they ask condoms, if you really want fuck them bareback, the magic word is money or gold!

All the ladies fucks without condom, a few ask some tips and the best sexy working girls, pro escorts usually want big money!

If you give them what they want, if you give them the price they want, they ll all let you fuck them bareback!

Gold and money for these girls are the freedom! They're all obsessed about money and gold!

Even when you meet sexy lady, who has boyfriend, even she say to you she's loyal and stay only with him, even if the boyfriend takes care of her good, if you propose money she ll always say yes! And again without condom! You can get her all the time, it depends only of the amount you're ready to apy to have her!

Last time I was in hotel in Pattaya, the morning on breakfast, the 2 first days, there was a very sexy girl who stay there with her boyfriend (farang tourist boyfriend). The guy was totally in love as I can see and the girlfriend look like she was in love to him and she ignore all the men in the hotel who were looking at her!

And the next day I saw her alone, in the lift of the hotel, she was going back to the room of the boyfriend, and then because she was alone, I started to speak little bit with her! I said lot of bullshits to her, like when I was her in the breakfast, I was totally in love of her at first sight, that I was very sad she was busy with boyfriend. I said lot of nice things that I was ready to do everything for her. (I knew to get her, I would have to pay a lot).

And she say me she was sorry but she loved her boyfriend and didn't want to go with other man that boyfriend gives her big money everyday to stay with her!

So on that moment I know she wanted big money! Then I asked her how much the boyfriend pay her and she told me 3000 everyday!

And me I told her I was ready to pay her same just for ST for 1 hour now, if she was OK to come my room directly before she go room of her boyfriend!

And she was smiling, and she say she cannot! LOL.

Then I told her, it will be secret, nobody will know and in future I'll become her regular customer!

And I knew on that moment, she was almost ready to accept!

And to be sure she accepts, I told her OK "my last price, I pay you 5000" for 1 hour! And 5000 was the magic word!

She came fuck with me in my room much more than 1 hour! And you know what? I fucked her bareback! No condom! Nothing! And I came inside her pussy!

And she was very happy! And me too!

And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!

And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!

And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!

Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold!

I can't argue with that. Whenever it is asked, "Do girls in this or that venue go bareback?" I have always said every girl fucks somebody bareback. The only challenge is to have that somebody be you.

And I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model or Kate Middleton in her prime had a price. Maybe in Middleton's case it would have been some mythical offer of "fuck me bareback and I will cure world hunger" or some such shit. But there was a price, something of value, an amount that could convince Kate Middleton or any duchess or princess to fuck a stranger bareback within an hour. LOL. Apparently, an offer to make her a duchess did the job.

Thankfully, much less than that is enough to convince Thai hookers to go bareback.

And, obviously, your getting all the necessary particulars with that hotel girl settled upfront is very much my preference.

We don't know if there was some confrontation or deception about condom or no condom in the room prior to vaginal entry, of course. But assuming there was none or that part had been settled upfront as well, that would also be my style. Although it is doubtful I would have interjected myself while she was actively involved in making good on her support deal with the other guy.

[ApolloNull]

What was the old price?

It was 800 last I went in Oct last year.

[Gilolo]

But we're talking about a situation where an adult has consented to have sex. True, the falling down drunk part is cloudy though.

On the bareback vs condom issue, I would argue there is no reason whatsoever to assume, as a legal matter, that when someone says, "Yes, let's fuck," she or he means with a condom. Not even if it is "customary" for everyone that girl has ever known to only have sex with a condom.

If wearing a condom is the requirement or that person will feel sexually assaulted or raped, I would strongly suggest they say so with, for example, "Let's fuck with you wearing a condom."

However, as in my previous post examples, once the person genuinely resists and/or communicates "No/Stop" but the other person forges ahead anyway without a change of heart reached in the absence of the threat of physical harm, then we are heading into sexual assault territory, imo, condom or no condom.

Anyway, what I know is each time I go Thailand, Pattaya, Bkk, Phuket, or Cambodia and Philippines, all the sexy girls I fuck never use condoms! And when they ask condoms, if you really want fuck them bareback, the magic word is money or gold!

All the ladies fucks without condom, a few ask some tips and the best sexy working girls, pro escorts usually want big money!

If you give them what they want, if you give them the price they want, they ll all let you fuck them bareback!

Gold and money for these girls are the freedom! They're all obsessed about money and gold!

Even when you meet sexy lady, who has boyfriend, even she say to you she's loyal and stay only with him, even if the boyfriend takes care of her good, if you propose money she ll always say yes! And again without condom! You can get her all the time, it depends only of the amount you're ready to apy to have her!

Last time I was in hotel in Pattaya, the morning on breakfast, the 2 first days, there was a very sexy girl who stay there with her boyfriend (farang tourist boyfriend). The guy was totally in love as I can see and the girlfriend look like she was in love to him and she ignore all the men in the hotel who were looking at her!

And the next day I saw her alone, in the lift of the hotel, she was going back to the room of the boyfriend, and then because she was alone, I started to speak little bit with her! I said lot of bullshits to her, like when I was her in the breakfast, I was totally in love of her at first sight, that I was very sad she was busy with boyfriend. I said lot of nice things that I was ready to do everything for her. (I knew to get her, I would have to pay a lot).

And she say me she was sorry but she loved her boyfriend and didn't want to go with other man that boyfriend gives her big money everyday to stay with her!

So on that moment I know she wanted big money! Then I asked her how much the boyfriend pay her and she told me 3000 everyday!

And me I told her I was ready to pay her same just for ST for 1 hour now, if she was OK to come my room directly before she go room of her boyfriend!

And she was smiling, and she say she cannot! LOL.

Then I told her, it will be secret, nobody will know and in future I'll become her regular customer!

And I knew on that moment, she was almost ready to accept!

And to be sure she accepts, I told her OK "my last price, I pay you 5000" for 1 hour! And 5000 was the magic word!

She came fuck with me in my room much more than 1 hour! And you know what? I fucked her bareback! No condom! Nothing! And I came inside her pussy!

And she was very happy! And me too!

And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!

And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!

And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!

Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold!

[Turgid]

I understand what you mean. But you know in Thailand even if you buy Thai condoms, each time Thai condoms breaks very easily. You know many years ago, I wanted to fuck only with condoms, and each time I was fucking the lady, each time at the end of the session when I come, I noticed the condom was broken.

And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!

It is because of lowlifes like you that farangs are being more and more avoided by the better looking Thai girls and Asians are the flavor of choice.

[Mens2]

Does anyone know if Kasalong increased their pricing at all?

What was the old price?

[EihTooms]

So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?

If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.
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But we're talking about a situation where an adult has consented to have sex. True, the falling down drunk part is cloudy though.

On the bareback vs condom issue, I would argue there is no reason whatsoever to assume, as a legal matter, that when someone says, "Yes, let's fuck," she or he means with a condom. Not even if it is "customary" for everyone that girl has ever known to only have sex with a condom.

If wearing a condom is the requirement or that person will feel sexually assaulted or raped, I would strongly suggest they say so with, for example, "Let's fuck with you wearing a condom."

However, as in my previous post examples, once the person genuinely resists and/or communicates "No/Stop" but the other person forges ahead anyway without a change of heart reached in the absence of the threat of physical harm, then we are heading into sexual assault territory, imo, condom or no condom.

[EihTooms]

Are there statutes covering a situation where a girl is fooled into believing her partner is using a condom. Could be wrong but I kind of don't think so. Cannot see it falling under the remit of rape or sexual assault. Would not she have to bear personal responsibility for ensuring he was wearing a condom? On the other hand I have no doubt she could sue in civil court for all sort of damages for stress etc. Now if she contracted a STD especially if it could be shown he knew he was a carrier that would be grounds for charges of reckless endangerment. Either way it is totally reprehensible that anybody would deceive a girl into believing he was wearing a condom when he was not.

It would be facinating if it turned out Thai law more or less agreed with my contention all along that bareback sex ought to be considered Real Sex while sex with a condom is, well, something else. LOL. I think that is what such a law would be asserting if consensual "sex" with a condom becomes an actual act of sex only when the condom is removed.

Otherwise, I would operate on the assumption that any resistance, wiggling away, attempted closing of legs, hand over pussy, exclamaion of "Condom!", etc during a session means No/Stop and that forging ahead anyway is a form of sexual assault.

Actually, any of those obvious expressions of resistance (the "Condom!" exclamation not applying) even when you are wearing a condom would still be a form of sexual assault, imo.

And it would likely be especially so if the man's reaction to any hint of genuine resistance is to display potential rage, violence, a tightening grip on the girl's neck, a balling up of a fist and so on until she goes silent about her resistance and does comply.

I realize such an interaction can be loaded with nuance as applied to the law. But generally the man knows what he did to convince a girl to "change her mind", to go along with bareback or anything else "without further discussion" in this way.

[GettingFedUp]

Are there statutes covering a situation where a girl is fooled into believing her partner is using a condom. Could be wrong but I kind of don't think so.

So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?

If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.

There was a case in the UK a couple of years ago where some ladies had consensual sex with some guy that they met on Tinder. The partner insisted they wore a blindfold because of shyness. Turned out the partner was a lesbian TV with a strap-on. Off to gaol (jail for American speakers) she went.

[EihTooms]

This is a good conversation. I've actually had about 50% of Thai condoms break because they are too small, cheap, was doing lazy dog and girl got dry and I lasted to long. I've had good success getting bareback without asking before hand but I'm getting to the point where I'd like to know its a given. My first attempt was asking up front on Thaifriendly and I was totally shut down, bear in mind 50% are fine with it if they come over without asking. That was a shock. But I have better luck in person. In US since everything is online I'm trying to meet once first then request bareback for second meet. Still work in progress for me.

Yes, my experience with getting an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP with girls I've met on the dating sites has been that I get the worst results when I have only texted with them, much better results when I have video chatted at least enough to see each other and say Hello, best results when we have met in person.

And those best results when I meet in person naturally carry over to encounters in the go-go bars and FLs on the street or in bars and clubs to a various degree depending on the bar or club.